Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Ross K, Aug 10, 2008.
United put 7 past LA Galaxy.
I think if something interests you and you think others may find it interesting, it's normal to write about it. The fact that it hasn't been discussed could be down to any number of reasons.
Monaco wanted the money. They won't get an offer that good any time soon.
Obviously the parallel between the two clubs is in the sale of a highly valued footballer to use the proceeds to buy a lot of average players.
Not sure it's that simple. I think they paid it to deny another Premier League club. You figure out which
Thanks for the summary.
It's interesting how French club football seems to lack ambition, despite producing so many fantastic players, especially when compared to what the Top 14 has managed to achieve in European club rugby. I always found it odd that one of the big economic powers of Europe, with a strong national team, great youth production system, and decent stadiums, can end up being an exporter of its best talent. As you say, maybe it's because French club culture has not been attractive enough to build the league into a global product over the past 20 years.
I totally agree about more players now being happy to 'bury themselves' at clubs where they will earn more money, but where they will not progress. In England the same thing has happened with a lot of talented young guys who were establishing themselves, then chose to move to bigger clubs where they would never play and their career progression would be killed (Jack Rodwell, Scott Sinclair etc). This summer many clubs would have wanted to sign Bacary Sagna (on a Bosman), but he chose one of the few clubs in the world where he won't be first choice, and so won't play much (Zabaleta is probably the best RB in the PL, and Sagna is perhaps 2nd best).
As for Lloris, I never understood why Wenger didn't go for him when he was available for EUR 10m, and at a time where we had great instability at the position.
As a further addition to that already lengthy and plenty edited post, I also must mention that the lack of ambition also has sources not only in the beliefs but also in the very existence of the DNCG. I already talked about them before, but let's say you don't know. Basically, they are the people who look at your funds and decide whether you're in or out. FFP? Not even close. FFP only cares about your balance; they don't look at your debts, they only care about if you waste more money than you win: that's why it has fair-play in its name. DNCG doesn't care where the money (legally of course) comes from, they only care about the health of the club. that's why you have the R.C. Lens, that earned its comeback in L1 that may stay in L2 regardless because the DNCG doesn't believe in their economics in any way. Not to mention the catastrophic communication and handling the case had by Lens' president who outright lied about receiving 10 more millions to validate the budget from his main
You also have the story of Luzenac, a very small village that earned on the pitch the right to play in L2 but may still not because DNCG.
It really sounds disgusting given that the players earned the promotion, but it's not really ill thinking: the DNCG doesn't want clubs not paying their employees or crashing down financially speaking because these clubs saw themselves bigger than they are. Le Mans was sent straight 4 divisions down when it happened after they couldn't come back to L1 due to their new stadium -and especially the abusive rent that came with it. Which means that even if you had a satisfying season, you have to be very careful about how you invest that money next season because "they" are watching you.
On the flip side, it also means that you're not going to see catastrophic situations like in few Spain clubs either. I do believe that if there was such an organization in Spain, the BBVA barely would have enough clubs to be launched by August. Barça and RMFC simply sucks all the money made through TV. On the contrary, the money income is extremely balanced between clubs in England.
And actually there was a point in the 90's where France was on the top if not near the top of the UEFA rankings. As you may have noticed, few clubs possess their stadiums either. The problem isn't reaching the top per say, but sustaining it and little to no clubs have/had what it takes and especially the luck to do so. Also, not only Marseille is going to be abused by excessive rents, they also were refused the right to even attempt to buy the stadium to begin with... :lol:
Thanks for basically saying what I've said.
I highly doubt it's that simple as "wanting the money". Rybolovlev may not be as rich as before, he's still sitting on several billions. Monaco doesn't need money. The offer is indeed good, but the money isn't the real reason IMO.
I believe Liverpool doesn't have the attractiveness nor the funds yet to buy the player they really want. It's that simple. However I do believe the team is more balanced than Tottenham. Well Remy isn't awful either. At least, not as awful as the Spurs' defence line...
If they did, that's uselessly poisoning the well for little reasons whatsover. Even if footballers tend to be stupid, you wouldn't sign in any club for 40M€ just for the paycheck and Premier League logo. It's nothing but Porto's buyout clause after all, so they complied but did not put that much money on the top either. That said, and even if it's overpaid, the number of young talented defenders isn't exactly very, very high either. I do believe Mangala happens to be in this category. We'll see if he signs to begin with.
Watching that wasn't a good start to my birthday
The countdown to the season is kicking into gear now, there are some interesting games coming up over the next week!
Time to get the thread pumped back up.
What type of impact do you think LvG will have this year on Utd? Hard to tell against Galaxy
The formation makes sense imo, Holland were pretty weak at centre back, but it worked for them. Man Utd are weak in that area with Jones, Smalling and Evans, so it looks good on that front.
What's interesting for me is if it'll get figured out over the course of a season, it's hard to pick it apart in knockout football like the World Cup, but easier over 38 games.
I am sure they will revert to 451. United doesn't have the players for 3 at the back. Smalling is a liability, Evans to a lesser extent, as well. Jones is an enigma for me. That away leg Real match was probably the most impressive showing from him in a Man Utd shirt. I want him to go on a streak of solid matches. Right now he looks like he is getting injured in every match.
Real Madrid sell 345,000 James Rodriguez replica shirts in 48 hours
Real Madrid have so far sold approximately £20million worth of 'James' replica shirts since the Colombian forward was unveiled at the Bernabeu
Yeah the manager will no doubt change the formation at some point, you can't really go a whole year playing the same way. Home or away, playing against a defensive team or an attacking one, a talented team or one up against relegation etc.. Each has their own different set of problems you need to overcome.
No doubt he'll give the 3 at the back a good go at some point, it'll be interesting to see how that works out. Could be a good option against the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool or City, if it works against Spain, it could be lethal against those attacking, possession based sides.
I wonder what is going to happen at Southampton.
They've brought in £80m this summer with the sales of Shaw, Lallana, Lovren, and Lambert. Their record signing Osvaldo's departure seems to be imminent, while Schneiderlin has been heavily linked with a move away (£20m+), as has to a lesser extent Callum Chambers.
Southampton have been able to progress while selling their best young talent in recent years because their youth development is exceptional (Bale, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain etc), but this summer they've lost their manager and half their first XI, including all their best players.
I know the new owners (I think the children of the previous owner) are less interested in the club, and I wonder if with £110m+ from player trading this summer (assuming Schneiderlin and Osvaldo leave), and the extra TV revenue, they'll be looking to take some money out of the club and then sell it on.
It's a great club with their youth academy and catchment on the south coast, so it would be a real shame if their momentum was halted now.
Drogba is back!
That's 6 points against Arsenal sorted then
Don't be silly. As Arsene will tell you, Diaby is like a new signing, and we don't need a new holding midfielder because Wilshere can be converted to that position, despite having neither the presence nor intelligence to play there.
Not all doom and gloom, but it's starting to look worryingly like Arsene is feeling confident that he can roll the dice again, and hope to get away with heading into a season light at CF and at CB.
Looks like Chambers to Arsenal is going through, so we get one more of their academy products, and Southampton lose ANOTHER first team player.
Arsenal are doing well, the keeper signing is good (although isn't that Oxlade-Chamberlain's best position? ). They need a centre back, Schneiderlin or Bender to play next to Ramsey would be a sensible move. Where do they want to play Sanchez? He could be the centre forward, it's probably his best position.
Even so, Drogba is the Arsenal killer. Fabregas getting a couple of goals and couple of assists for Drogba. Yeah, that should be sweet. Looks highly likely that the 6-0 from last year will be bettered if you ask me
I still think we need a 360 degree CF, who can play with his back to goal, get involved in the inter-play, and score prolifically, like a Van Persie. Giroud can do parts of that, but he's not quite good enough at the very highest level, against the very best defenders. Sanchez is obviously a different type of player, but I see him as an upgrade on some players that we already have, like Walcott. Even the big teams sit deep against us, so I really think we need a powerful CF who can do everything. At the start of the summer I hoped for Benzema, Mandzukic, or Dzeko.
As for 6-0 etc, that's all to do with suicidal tactics / disrespect for the opposition, and not so much to do with the players. But yes, I do still have nightmares about Kolo and Gallas, or Senderos and Djourou, trying to deal with Drogba!
Just seen that we're paying £16m for Chambers! WHAT?!? I didn't think we'd have any interest at any more than half that. EDIT: OK, the Mirror claim it's £7m, the Telegraph £10m, the Mail £12m, and the BBC £16m, so I guess they're all just making it up, or someone at Southampton is very angry about what has happened this summer, and is trolling them all.
Yeah, agree on Sanchez not really being the answer for the centre forward problem. I thought at the time that he was coming to play that role though, as you say, Arsenal already have good strength in the number 10 and wide areas so spending big money on another didn't make much sense. Also he wanted to move because he wants that central role and he wasn't going to get it at Barcelona, so you'd of thought he would of talked to Wenger about that before agreeing to the deal.
Yeah the prices for Chambers seem way too high, yet another example of how being English and having a bit of potential gets you the big money! Debuchy was a great signing (we had the choice between him and Azpilicueta a few years ago), quite why they want to spend big on a backup, i'm not sure.
I have a fervent belief Arsene does not understand the 'striker' problem. He expects his team to pass the ball into the opposition goal.
Lallana injured already.
Seems it's wrong.
R. Madrid sells 1.4M shirts per year; half of which have CR7 in the back. According to the French article, CR7 sells 2k shirts per day and Rodriguez about 900 so far.
Real Madrid are just scary! Bale, Ronaldo, Benzema, Rodriguez, Di Maria, Isco etc..
Get Varane in the team, maybe a new keeper and you can't see anyone outscoring them over 2 legs.
Kroos + Modric as well, with Xabi and Pepe being the only ones not pushed up in the opposition's box :lol:
Neymar/Hannibal/Messi/Iniesta/Rakitic is pretty formidable competition though, and Atletico despite losing some quality players look to have gotten some great replacements in all positions, should be about as strong as last year.
Jovetic adding about 40 goals to this year's treble winners with Lampard getting the winning goal in CL final for the club he's always secretly wanted to be at finally will render those signings useless though
Yeah, to think Khedira is pretty much surplus to requirements is crazy. What i'd give to have him in the middle with Fabregas and Matic. Hazard and Schurrle on the wings, Costa annoying the hell out of everyone and backing it up with goals
Spain was probably the best league, but they've really pulled away this summer.
Shame Lampard is only at City till the start of the season in America, because you're probably right. Even at 76 he's still 10 times better than anything City have at the moment
Are you doing the fantasy football again this season? You created the sub league, right?
Basing this purely on the acquisitions of Real and Barcelona? I disagree. If anything, the predictability of La Liga has only been cemented. It's just like the Scottish league except the champions are competitive outside the domestic competition.
England has by far and away the most exciting professional football leagues.
I think there's different types of shirts and maybe the discrepancy comes from that.
Yeah, it's subjective to individual preferences. Personally I don't like the way Barcelona play, I'm also not a fan of how the referee's see the game as non contact in Spain. The premier league beats it hands down in terms of entertainment imo.
When you get the likes of Neymar, Suarez, Bale, Kroos, Rodriguez etc.. All choosing Spain over England, that says something. I've heard the big teams are ready to negotiate the rest getting a larger chunk of the TV money too, which could be huge for La Liga.
I think the players' choice has a lot to do with your previous point. Have you noticed the distance between attacking players and defenders in Spain? It's crazy! They'd never be afforded that in England. Week-in-week out I think a lot of them would be very frustrated in England. So they choose an easier league. Lower level La Liga sides lack the combativeness of their English counterparts.
I also saw the rumors of a new TV deal, it would be great for the rest of Spanish football but there is a catch. The inflation in wages following the first Sky deal has really hit clubs in the lower leagues in England. If you apply this problem to Spain where the clubs are inherently weaker, financially, it could lead to pandemonium. This will be very hard to manage.
What are your thoughts on a B team league in England? Should Premier League clubs be allowed to field B teams in lower leagues?
Yeah, Spain get around that problem to an extent with the B teams allowed in the lower leagues. That's certainly been good news for Barcelona and the Spanish national side over the years, so it could be good for the England national side. The teams in the lower league's getting to play against technically good, but inexperienced young players probably raises the standards of those leagues, so it's good on that front.
The problem with it in England is that the lower leagues have a big history, the football played is pretty agricultural and you get the entertaining, end to end, high paced games with lots of mistakes. There's a big gap between the lower leagues and the top of the Premier League, as you mentioned. Fans at the lower level seem to be disillusioned with the top teams, so it's going to be hard to make everyone happy.
As a fan of a team in the Premier League, i'm all for it. Anything that gets the young players an opportunity to play together, to play in a competitive environment in a system that the first team play to make the transition easier can only be a good thing in my eyes.
Vermaelen to Barca 15 million great business! Chambers looks the real deal too. Would play this team against City on Sun. Chesney, Gibbs, Koscielny, Chambers, Debuchy, Wilshere, Ramsey, Chamberlain, Alexis, Sanogo.
Need a new DM hopefully William Carvalho.
That team would get ripped to shreds. You will have to play compact with a strong holding midfielder. Who is that? The only team that 'out-swashbuckled' City last year was Liverpool. This Arsenal team is going to be put to the slaughter, I am sorry.
I don't think you have much chance, starting the game with 10 men
Have you heard anything about Wenger wanting to convert Chambers into a holding midfielder?
Agree about Carvalho being a good option, and needed. Maybe a top striker and a centre back if you really want to be challenging on both fronts. Ramsey is an incredible player, but I can't help think the rest of the spine of the team is a bit weak, compared to others.
You know you've missed the real stuff when you're looking forward to the Community Shield, especially when it's Arsenal and City
Arsenal always have great hope at the start of each season, so whatever you feel towards them, they're compelling viewing, whatever happens.
As for Chelsea, there are two pre season games left. Costa has looked incredible, like Drogba at his peak. So big and strong, quick, deceptively skilful and scores some incredible goals. His goal on Friday where he danced through 4 defenders was like watching a 6'3 Messi. Before he came, i'd had a couple of doubts, but he's looking good so far. His injuries towards the end of last season when the whole world was watching clearly affected him, so it's good to see he's over those, he's a good addition to the Premier League.
yeah it's renewed and fully expecting to walk it this year, shouldn't be too difficult with the level of competition really
looking forward to community shield, Jovetic has looked amazing and haven't really seen Sanchez in action for arse yet so will be interesting to see exactly which pocket he's placed into by our defenders.
Fun game, will be interesting to see how Arguero comes back as he was hurt at the WC. Kompany and Zaba def were missed. Hard to read too much into it. Only our 2nd win in the last 9 against your boys.
Costa is the polar opposite to Messi.Not even in the best of his dreams he does 25% of the things Messi does.
Man City, what were you doing? It's Arsenal!
Sure he does, any good player can do the same things Messi can. Messi just manages to produce moments of magic more regularly than the mere mortals.
Costa's run from 40 yards, past 4 or 5 defenders, quick feet with them trying to hack him down and then the finish on top was special.
both with Boyata starting at the back too..though Clichy at right back and Nastasic in his current form would be good enough for Exeter City let alone the top level.
Arse were really sharp in midfield, that front 5/6 with Debuchy overlapping is going to bag loads of goals especially when Walcott is back.
Silva/Jovetic only bright spots for us..Yaya lacking blood sugar from lack of birthday cake and the rest were just a bit disjointed, hopefully the week in training and our first choice defenders coming back sorts it because the opening few fixtures are looking pretty difficult.
Didn't even know that there was this City vs Arsenal confrontation. Useless little tournament IMO. Saw Ajax vs Vitesse and noticed that Bojan leaved. What happened? I thought he played well the few matches I saw from Ajax in the end of the last season.
It's the curtain raiser for the season. Last year's league winner against the winners of the FA Cup. Bojan is now at Stoke!
The news coming out tonight is that Chelsea have told Cech he is free to leave, Courtois has won the battle to be first choice.
Being at Anfield for his return after the head injury that nearly cost him his life is something i'll always remember, for him to put his body on the line like he has over the years, putting the club ahead of himself is such a rare thing these days. He's more than earnt the right to do what he see's best for his career, i'm sure Schweinsteiger and Robben hope he won't be trying to save any of their penalties again any time soon
I see all these super cup as useless. I was busy and didn't make any effort to watch Sevilla vs RM. Yeah, I know Bojan went to Stoke. Won't be enough to make them be more watchable
Yeah, they're basically a glorified pre season friendly. The only good thing about them is that they signal the start of the season is nearly here
Stoke are doing ok these days, Mark Hughes has got them playing some respectable stuff. Pulis is working his brand of thuggery at Crystal Palace with some success though!
Ok, scrap the Pulis comment! 36 hours before the start of the season and we've lost our first manager the ride has started already!
Is there a Fantasy Premier League thing going this season? Hit me up with a joining code.
Anyone who was in it last year is automatically renewed into it I believe.
is he Moyes in disguise? brilliant start to the campaign
I missed this.
Chelsea supporter for life!
Like the addition of James Rodriguez in Real Madrid!
No idea who half the people in it are
Pretty bad start from me, but there's still Costa, Hazard, Luis, Sterling and Kolarov to play.
Either way, we've got the same score after day 1. The rivalry continues!
What's your team name? Always good to look out for the teams of people who post regularly in here.
Separate names with a comma.