Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Ross K, Aug 10, 2008.
Inevitable. Real is dysfunctional for all its success.. .
Bayern was indeed a great victory. BVB was a joke victory and Atleti nothing special.
So with that there is 2 good or very victories, one reasonable and countless weak victories. In five year span? Barcelona did more last year.
Obviously could have been better victories that you and me forget, but the data we bring ain't promising.
Only that? How many years is PSG playing Champions League consecutively? Three, four, five years? Maybe more. And all that they have in it's favor is a single Chelsea's elimination? Do they have any other meaningful victory?
Three quarterfinals without context are useless.
Chelsea semi-final wasn't anything impressive, if I am not mistake all that they did was to cause PSG's elimination. In 2012, eliminating Barcelona and Bayern, it did way more than PSG did when they eliminated Chelsea.
[/quote]City are yet to register CL quarters in their history. Arsenal have also not reached last 8 in quite a while. Manchester United have lost their magic. Anyway, if you are thinking about some hypotheticals like City-Real, Chelsea-Real, City-PSG, I believe the English would lose all of those. [/quote]
So what? Real performance is more or less on Chelsea's level . Atletico's is superior to any other premier league club but far from impressive. PSG only slight better than any english team. So am I to conclude that premier league teams are worst than most of the top teams from other leagues because a few matches? Of course not, that would be absurd.
Ballon d'Or is a joke and a middle age cow could do a better contest.
I never said they did better than Barca, but their run in the season they won CL was quite good. BVB were vice-champions of Europe, Bayern were defending champions while Atleti just won the Spanish league prior to the final. Also reaching last 6 semis is probably one of the records.
Real performance is on Chelsea's level? Are you joking? How do you explain the former being 3rd in Spain while the latter being a few points above the relegation zone in England then? Their overall results in the last few years show that EPL has regressed badly. Should they keep this recent tradition going they will lose their 4th qualification spot very soon.
Ballon d'Or had some weird nomination choices and exclusions, but as far as I remember, the best player of the year always went home with the award.
BVB? Are you serious? BVB struggled against relegation that period. Bayern was a great victory as I already told.
Atleti was and still it is a superb defensive team, technically limited team that took advantage of a not great season by Barcelona and RM (the last one probably because was more focused on CL) and also from the more fragile defenses in spanish league, with allow them to won lots of matches by 1-0. If I am not mistake a team whose only meaningful achievement in CL was taking out Chelsea that season. A good team overall, and taking them out was also a good victory. Not a great one.
I am talking in the last few years, not the current season. Pay more attention.
If they regressed is not a limited tournament with few teams and matches as CL that can show it.
BVB finished 2nd that season. It is the season after that they were last during the winter break, and still they finished it in 7th.
Barca and Real were not at their highest level, but Atletico amassed 90 points, and were undefeated against both of them in all matches. Their meaningful achievement in CL was reaching the CL final undefeated, and they also had to take Barcelona out before Chelsea.
I would consider Real better in the last few years too.
Go watch the performances, contributions and stats from each one of the previous few winners and you have the proof. Last 8 years were dominated by two players. I believe that attackers do have a visible advantage in this award, but honestly, who was better than Messi or Ronaldo in the last few years? I did not see anyone doing that.
Really entertaining game last night. Paul Scholes being impressed says it all.
Van Gaal even shouted once. Improvement for sure.
lol yeah. Fellaini should have finished it off and it would have been a much needed assist for Memphis.
Rooney seems to be on at the minute, but maybe he is just going through a phase. He usually does well against Newcastle. Hopefully he can keep it up.
Yeah good to see Rooney back. The chances of him surpassing Charlton this season are excellent now, only 9 goals left.
True about BVB, a better victory them.
Atleti amassed 90 points because it plays in fairly weak defensively. On calcio or premier league it would likely never got these 90 points because it's 1-0 victories would became 0-0.
I watched the performances. Watching it doesn't proof anything. No idea what do you mean by contributions. And show me the link for these stats that you are talking about.
Ronaldo, the penalty king? Ozil, Toure, Xavi, Iniesta, Di Maria, Bale, Suarez and maybe a few other were better than him in several of these years.
In 2013 many players were better than Messi.
Well Atleti did put 4 and 3 goals past an EPL and Calcio team that season respectively.
In La Liga, Barcelona and Real Madrid usually get past the 100 mark of goals scored in a season, but others hardly ever get even to 75. So the top two really do have an amazing strike force. Atletico have an amazing defense that really helps, especially this season (I mean, where do you see a team on top of the table have a 27:8 GD after 19 rounds LOL).
By contributions, I am talking about how well an individual has played his role in getting his team to the titles or final rounds. Messi and Ronaldo (especially Messi) have really carried their team towards success in the last few years. Not just in terms of goals, but general play. That is why they have been in almost every race for the award together. The only absence is the one Ronaldo had in 2011, when the legendary Xavi-Iniesta-Messi trio peaked. IMO, we could have had MSN battling it out in the most recent one, but oh well. At least the winner was deserved.
Ronaldo is a penalty king, but that is not what he is all about. His style has changed slowly since he moved to Real, but it is not like you have to gift him an easy chance so he can cause trouble.
As for 2013, Ronaldo won the prize that year anyway, not Messi.
Anyway, any predictions for the 2015/16 UCL winner, guys?
Going to stick my neck out and say Barcelona.
That was a fluke win from Man Utd, haha.
Pretty nice to see the players Rojo, Jones and Carrick going mental with the fans in the stands.
Always sweet beating Liverpool, especially in their own backyard.
Congratulations to Wayne Rooney on breaking the record for most Premier League goals scored for a single club. Henry's 175 goals are no longer on top of the list. Next thing, break Sir Bobby's record and become the all-time leading goalscorer for Manchester United. 8 goals left.
Unimpressive team performance IMO. The crisis is not done.
Everton were robbed.
Unfortunately, this stuff happens. Imaginary extra time and offside, must have hurt.
The time added on was for the 2 minute celebration after their goal. No problems there, it was definitely offside though.
Fena, how are you? Long time no speak!!!
Barely been watching football because I've been swamped with work, what is your opinion on Chelsea? Do you think Mourinho should have been given more time?
Hey! Yeah it has been hard for me to keep up also, I've not been able to see as many games outside the Chelsea ones as I normally do.
I think it was wrong to get rid of Mourinho yes, the problem lies with the squad not being deep enough and the new crop of players not having the same mental strength as the old guard. If anything, Mourinho pushing them beyond what they were capable of mentally last season has probably come back to bite him. I don't think they have the make up to do it year in, year out. He set the bar high last year, they weren't meeting it this year (which I had expected) and he's payed the price for it.
We might be rubbish, in a relegation fight.. One thing always remains the same, the double over Arsenal
I always have to smile when journalists start talking up Arsenal's title chances in November-December.
Those issues stem from the manager. It's symptomatic of his style. It's the reason his teams go stale after just 2/3 years.
Do you mean other teams in La liga?
Was alonso and ozil take carried RM more than anyone else in the beginning. Were them that made Ronaldo look so good. Then it was Di Maria, Modric and Ramos time.
They have been in almost every race because most people that vote are idiots.
Far from it, but being the penalty king is what put him apart from other strikers in RM and what really make him nearly always be in Fifa's idiotic contest .
Well many think that Leo and CR7 have been in all of those races because they have produced a high level that no-one or hardly anyone even got close to, while they have been also producing it consistently every year. They are undoubtedly two greatest players of their generation, while Messi might have the GOAT claim too.
And most of the people who believes in it, does so because they scored far more goals than anyone else in the last years, and did so because they are the stars of Barcelona and RM, can score many more goals from penalty and were the preferable choice for receiving the ball close to the goal.
Football Manager does Barcelona 2011 vs Current Barcelona
Barcelona 2010/11 (4-3-3): Valdes; Alves, Pique, Mascherano, Abidal; Xavi, Busquets, Iniesta; Messi, Villa, Pedro
Barcelona 2015/16: (4-3-3): Bravo; Alves, Pique, Mascherano, Alba; Busquets, Rakitic, Iniesta; Messi, Suarez, Neymar
Guardiola to City official.
Only one response for Utd to take.
The worst kept secret in football. I'm not so sure about the timing of this, if I was a City fan. Good that he is coming to the premier league.
They needed time because there are lots of players that will want to join City now that Guardiola is 100% their manager.
Same thing happened when they confirmed him at Bayern months before the end of the season.
Going to be interesting to see how City finish the season. They could be inspired and want to impress, or fall away knowing their manager no longer has any real authority.
Pep taking the easy road once again. 15 m a year? I can't blame him.
Isn't that cheap for someone with his pedigree?
Aside, City fans goading us ManYoo fans... Would dearly love of the Premier League is where he comes unstuck.
15m£ is 21.5m$/year, Pellegrini had 4m£/year while Wenger is the best paid with 8.3£.
Didn't know that. Assumed Mourinho, for example, was on a far higher wage.
Mourinho signed a 30£m at the beginning of the season till the end of 2018/19 season, so that's 30 in 4 years.
A player like Messi has something like £260.000/week in Barcelona, but the club pays more than 500k because the income tax in Catalonia is 52%. ( something like 47% being national and an extra 5% by the regional gov ).
Pelegrini is a good coach. I wonder if he ends at Chelsea.
IMO City needs more than Guardiola. They need to seriously to fill their central midfield and defense with quality players. Milner, Fernando, Fernandinho, Kolarov and others lack quality.
Jackson Maritnez to Guangzhou Evergrande for 42 million Euros. Insane.
Milner plays for Liverpool.
Alex Teixeira to Jiangsu Suning for 50 million Euros.
Klopp's transfer target gone to the Chinese Super League.
Massive win away to Man City, Leicester are looking really good for the title.
The Leicester show continues. Hoping they can get the job done.
City can spend another hundred million but would still need their rival to choke so they can win the title, just like it happened in 2012 and 2014.
I am a fan of fairy tales and this could be one of the best of my time. Still expecting it to come off the track, but we shall see.
The Leicester story means Spurs are going under the radar. They can 100% win it, which would be a remarkable achievement in itself. I have always felt if the circumstances were right Spurs could win the league or at least challenge.
On Leicester, something really special is going on there. Still a long, long way to go. If they did win it, I wonder where it would rank in footballing miracles? What Atletico did 2 years ago was crazy and outstanding, but this would be better. You can't fluke a league, 38 games.
For some context 10/12 Guardian writers predicted them to go down. They probably won't win it, but they longer they stay there the more likely they are to get top 4 and champions league (top 3 for automatic) which once again would be a brilliant achievement.
The individual stories too, Vardy playing non league 5 years ago. Heck, Ranieri was only available after he got sacked 4 games into Euro 2016 qualifying by Greece, with a loss to the Faroe Islands being the killer.
The fact they are even in the Premier league this year is crazy, that escape last year was a Houdini act, what was it, 9 wins in the last 11 games?
After 25 games last season, Leicester City was last, with 17 pts. After 25 games this season, Leicester City is in first, with 53 pts.
All the others have other competitions to juggle, with Leicester it is just these 13 games, no distractions, good rest etc.
But anyway 13 games is a 3rd of the season. The nerves will come at some point, up to now they have just being having fun. But as of today, sh.it got real.
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