Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Ross K, Aug 10, 2008.
Scottish final was a bit lively
Van Gaal is giving instructions!
Poor from Mike Smalling...
Manchester United FA Cup winners. Rooney is delighted. Love it.
Wayne Rooney, Wayne Rooney, Wayne Rooney, Wayne Rooney.
Witnessing Manchester United:
win the Premier League - check
win the Champions League - check
win the Club World Cup - check
win the FA Cup - check
The season is saved.
The drought is over, and the record is tied! GGMU!!!
Enjoy it, my Son
Just when I thought Manchester United will disappoint again, they have shown the fighting spirit we have seen in Fergie's period. Comeback win, winner scored with 10 men. Here is hoping they challenge for all titles next season, with or without Van Gaal.
So does this mean LVG has earnt an extra season?
Maybe he'll go on to dominate like Ferguson (who probably would of been sacked in '90, had they not beaten Palace in the final). Or will it be another season like this one?
Today's win could either be a huge blessing, or a disaster in the long run.
Rashford pretty much won the game against West Ham.
Martial won the game against Everton.
Lingard won the game against Crystal Palace.
I hope not.
BBC, just now, saying Mourinho has the United job and will be appointed on Tuesday, for those who don't know, that means it is fact. BBC don't report things unless they are 1000%.
Lovely stuff from Utd. Rooney refused to lose today, what an effort for the equalizer. Van Gaal leaves with some pride and history may even treat him kindly.
Scottish cup final was brilliant, I was dreading it a bit, thought it would be very boring way to pass the time but was brilliant. 112 years, great to see some history.
lol at Pardiola's dance, oops.
Hibernian Football Club. Andy Murray's club. His granddad played for them. they hadn't won the cup for 114 years and had lost 10 consecutive finals in that time!
No, ^^^ Jose has the job.
Don't forget the league cup!
BBC never got it wrong?
I'll be waiting for Official Manchester United website to announce that.
Great story, even happier now for Hibernian.
I left out League Cups and Community Shields on purpose.
The dream Leicester-Manchester United Community Shield match will happen.
That was possible the last game of Van Gaal's legendary career then. Nice way to go out.
Probably Juan Mata's last ever Utd game too, with Jose in charge next season.
Carrick might be gone too, up to Jose I suppose. Nice of Wayne to have Carrick lift the cup with him. They both finally got their hands on it, others from that great Utd side never did, Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra.
Well yes the league cup doesn't have much prestige but at least it is a proper tournament unlike the Shield. But yeah the FA Cup is actually very prestigious unlike in other countries. It wasn't my first today but my 2nd, it was a long wait since watching a teen Ronaldo run rings round Millwall
BBC don't post speculation, only things they know are facts. All the media over here now reporting it. The club has clearly briefed the media. LVG might 'retire' or will at least be allowed to say he has.
I started in 2006.
Interesting. Domestic supercups are more prestigious in other countries than in England, but the English FA Cup is bigger than any other.
If it's true, very nice news then. Van Gaal retires with a trophy as well, so people won't be so harsh on him as they were throughout this season.
Unlucky Dortmund, they lost the cup final again, this time on penalties. And now Hummels is gone too. I hope they will keep fighting like they have this season, beautiful team.
Ibrahimovic scored a brace in his final PSG game, they have won the cup. 4-2 win over Marseille.
Milan and Juve still goalless, it's 105 minutes gone now.
No wonder those pricks are called Buyern. Oh well, there will always be someone in Europe to teach them a lesson and make them rage at the referee.
If Mou is coming to Man United, Ibra could too.
Milan are in an even bigger crisis than us, it would be perfect if they win the cup today too, especially against the recent Italian tyrant.
Edit: And Juve have just scored LOL!
Good night attacking football if Mourinho comes. Hope I am wrong.
What the future holds for ManYoo, who knows? Just glad we've finally won something, anything...
The FA Cup isn't what it used to be. Even back when l was young it was so special, the early rounds were highlights of the season, listening to the draw at school, the whole final day itself was a massive party (even if your team wasn't in it). These days it's a pale imitation and l can't really put my finger on why that's the case. l was at Wembley for the Chelsea v Liverpool final 4 years ago and it was nice, but it doesn't compare to the memories l have of '97 and Di Matteo scoring in the first minute, the Liverpool v Man Utd final the year before, Everton before that etc..
They will have success in the short term, but it will end in tears and they will be in a worse position 2-3 years down the line. That's why l think PSG is made for Mourinho right now (win the Champions League, someone else comes in and rebuilds for the future after him). Entrusting Mourinho to play attractive football, develop the young talent they have at the moment, develop a culture etc.. lt's not going to end well. Look at what he did with Chelsea who were in a similar position to Man Utd, he sold half of them, the ones who stayed now either want to leave or are staring into space and shell shocked after being pushed past the point of what they were capable of. As i've said before, a strong, stable Man Utd is good for the English game.. This move though? Ouch. Be fun as a neutral looking from the outside though!
I am not really worried about how will they look like when he leaves. Just look at them now and how they are playing. This is the all time low in several decades for Manchester United, the impact of this FA Cup win is still unknown. Can you see Mourinho leaving them even worse than they are now? I can't. I am more interested in seeing how will he turn things around.
Chelsea haven't been in a big problem like this when Mourinho came to them for the 2nd time. They got to the Champions League directly and IIRC they fought for 2nd until the final few months (in 2012-13).
Can they be worse? Absolutely they can. The likes of Rashford, Lingard, Martial, Smalling is improving (today aside) are all on the right path with other youngsters waiting for their chance. Handle their development wrong? Good luck to whoever follows Mourinho..
There's definitely similarities with Chelsea when he took over, they were a young, talented team who hadn't put it all together, didn't know how to win and were inconsistent (Schurrle, Hazard and his brother, Oscar, De Bruyne, Courtois, Salah, Van Aanholt, Lukaku). Half were sold without a chance, the ones who stayed now either want to leave after their experience or are mentally broken.
l'd love Mourinho managing a group of experienced players who's window is closing and need that extra 2% to get them over the hill, starting from scratch with some talented youngsters? No chance.
United are too big to go even lower than this, especially in the current era of money, the area in which they are one of the best standing clubs in the world.
Also, there is really no rule that he will leave a mess behind him. His first Chelsea spell ending wasn't as bad as the second one, the club had nice results in that season when he left during September. He left Inter as treble winners. In Real he had some nice highlights and some controversial moments, it's debatable whether they were worse when he left than they were when he came. One season later they won the Champions League. A catastrophe like the one he had in 2015-16 never happened before.
Everybody has a ''I can't believe he did it'' expression on their face, full of amazement and joy.
Looks like that story about Jose signing ages ago was true. Just hasn't been allowed to let it out yet. In the mean time, he has enjoyed David Haye beating up a jabroni and so on.
Welcome to Manchester!
Did they ever recover the cap of the cup that fell off when Rooney and Carrick raised it?
If Mourinho is really coming, those announcements could have been postponed for just one day. I mean, Man United just won the FA Cup, damn! Not fair if that's overshadowed by new manager's arrival.
Doesn't seem like it...
I did see Rojo holding it later on the pitch however all pictures of the whole day had no lid which leads me to think it probably got damaged, it was quite some fall it had.
And there was my thinking LVG had put it in his back pocket.
Van Gaal reportedly said "It's over" to one of the Sky Sports reporters. Mourinho to be announced next week...
Getting excited for the Copa showdown with Sevilla!
About damn time!
Mourinho to United is as good as done, it's being reported by the BBC so it's 100% happening.
Honestly I'm not bothered in the slightest. Mourinho is not a legacy builder and never will be. I'm actually looking forward to seeing how he handles Rashford, Lingard, Mata, etc, even Martial. I wouldn't be surprised if he loans half of them out to a championship/lower pl team, stick martial to the wing, sells Mata and Depay etc. He'll no doubt spend big this summer like he always does, I wouldn't be suprised if Ibra follows him, I think he fancies Rooney (or at least he used to) so I expect him to keep starting games. Most of the young boys promoted by LvG to the first team will not make the squad for the league games, in general it will be a short term plan that may or may not succeed (those who are sure that United will challenge for the title next season may be disappointed, United's squad is poor and Mourinho is not a manager that can get the most out of mediocre players, as I said they have to spend wisely and big) and it will definitely leave United to an absolute mess after 2 or 3 years. Let's not talk about his playing style, I'm sure it won't bother their fans in the slightest if they are getting the results but if they're not it will be worse then Van gaal, the football will be unbearable.
Smacks of desperation from United Imo, Mourinho was never really their first choice but after losing out on Klopp and pep it was their only one left. 3 managers in 4 years now, that's saying a lot. On a side note, not very classy from United to leak the stories minutes after LvGs victory. But that's none of my business
PS From a personal point of view, I can't wait for our games next season. A United+Mourinho combination, ****ing hell a match made in hell
Anfield will be absolutely buzzing. Well, OT ehm will be the classic OT
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
It's not like United aren't in such a mess now. One would have to work hard to leave an even bigger mess than this behind him.
That's fair enough but don't complain in a couple years about your lack of young talent and how Maureen destroyed your club
Anyway a nice stat
Liverpool 2014/15 2 cup semifinals
2015/16 2 cup finals
Good season for you. So near yet so far in the finals. Once again. You seem on the right track.
I think Mourinho is a quite awesome desperate situation. Almost glad the situation became so desperate so we could get him in. I still haven't seen him in his United shirt, though. If he is definitely our new manager.
You're right. They are. I'm not saying its all nice and bright. But at least they do have some relatively good young talent, and a couple quality players. All I'm saying is that even if mourinho does win them things (again, that's not a certainty) he'll destroy the likes of Rashford and Co in the process and when he leaves in 2-3 years he'll leave behind him maybe an even bigger mess.
That's just my opinion though.
Well you should be more familiar with that feeling after the 2011/12 season, no?
It's being reported by the BBC. Its done. I think he'll be announced Monday or Tuesday.
It has been done for about 4 months now. I still want to see him in his United shirt.
Well, the youngsters saved United's season, I don't think he'll be too harsh on them. It does depend on who will he bring in as well. Among many big names linked, Ibra and Kroos stood out I believe. At least money isn't a problem...
Anyway, nothing is done until the club's official website itself announces it.
lol Thank you very much.
I am just waiting for the announcement so I can summon the Mou phone avatar.
There ya go.
Klopp on an amazing 5 finals losing run already.
Mourinho stories have turned this place into TT Manchester United club.
You're spot on. I can't blame United fans for the excitement and optimism, that's how it starts with Mourinho. "I told you so" is always how it ends though.. Without fail. I'm sure we'll be scrolling back to quote our original thoughts in a couple of years
I'm with you though, it's going to be fun to see it play out and it's always box office.
Did his Porto, Inter, Real and first Chelsea departures end with "I told you so"?
Bunch of clairvoyants in here.
I'll be saying I told you so when we win premier and champions league. All about the competition wins. Then we can measure Kokk whenever Jose walks out. But yeah, enjoy the ride.
Inter, Real and Chelsea both times? Yes. Whatever people thought at the time of his appointment came true. Inter were a good team who couldn't get over the hump, he got them there and left them in a position they haven't recovered from. Real they said he would **** everyone off, win the 10th Champions League and stop The total dominance of Barca.. 1 out of 3 ain't bad! At Chelsea they said he would clash with Abramovich and transfers, that happened. Second time he said he wanted to settle down and build something, people said he wasn't cut out for that role, they were definitely right.
At United the fear is he won't develop the younger players, won't play attractive football, will fall out with the owners and people above him, will buy older players who he can eek out 2 good years from before being back at square 1 (Ibrahimovic maybe?). Let's see what happens, Mourinho changes his whole personality and beliefs and makes a success of it, or the same things happen as they always have with him.. No question which one my money is on.
Apart from the 2nd Chelsea case, those clubs weren't worse when he left them compared to when he joined. Mourinho isn't a long term coach, but he isn't a regular destroyer of his own constructions either.
Anyway, looking at how Man United have played and finished in EPL in the last 3 seasons, you can't blame them for appointing a manager of Mou's caliber when he got available. Lets even say that Pep, Simeone, Klopp, Ancelotti, Ranieri, Pochettino and Conte are all better managers than him, but they are all unavailable. Can't think of any better available manager than Mourinho right now...
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