Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Ross K, Aug 10, 2008.
Iceland are NOT Finnish
I imagine the Iceland commentary was again going JAAAAA JAAAAA JAAAAA!
I want the end of international breaks. No more qualifiers, just let the big guns in and pick some randomers, including Northern Ireland, put them in a playoff to decide the remaining teams in the tournament.
Awesome birthday present.
I don't consider him a Man Utd legend, but just for that one day, his goal gave me such a feeling that I have rarely experienced, or probably never experienced before or since. It was an amazing shot of adrenalin. Not a legend, more like cult status, if we're getting technical. He was on fire at certain points in his career. Definitely felt like unfulfilled potential with him.
When his goal went in, I was more distracted by Mark Hughes, he was close enough so I could see what he was doing. Then all of a sudden the place erupts. Incredible. I'm sure you know the feeling since you go to many games. The hammering with Moyes United against City wasn't as much fun.
Reckon playing all the qualifiers at the end of the season would be good, would be much more interesting and we get none of these tedious breaks mid-season.
Yeah no I can imagine winning a derby like that deep into Fergie time must've been pretty special as a fan. Had to be ****ing him though didn't it.
The City beating Moyes United match wasn't fun, it was weird. Having to want Man Utd to win, it's a weird feeling. Surely the 6-1 was worse though for you? Was a pretty good United team then too wasn't it.
It was one of those later teams of the Fergie era, not filled with class all over the park, but still not bad.
Hammerings are always hard to take, being there makes it a different experience. Sharing the pain/joy with others. I had better seats in the second Manchester Derby, not that it helped much. We were awful. Probably the worst I've seen them play in the 20 or so games I've been to.
Yeah indeed a good side, one that came within a couple of minutes of winning the league as I recall.
Yeah you're right I suppose, although I have never actually been to see a match when it's been a defeat must be a lucky charm. Haven't seen too many matches with big sides. Although I was there for the 5-1 over Arsenal in 13-14 was pretty ****ing awesome.
Meanwhile Ronaldo scored 4.
Need to get you a ST.
Tbh I didn't want Man United to win that one, it was still relatively early as far as the title race was concerned think it was late March so yeah I enjoyed it at the time. The worst that season was Everton City the weekend after Chelsea beat us. Terrible situation to be in...
Yeah wouldn't argue with that.
Yeah I know what you mean, I did want Man Utd to win because they were no threat but I couldn't not be pleased when City started putting the goals in.
Everton game was weird we all wanted them to win more than Everton fans, who still had a chance of making top 4 if they won the rest of their games. As I've mentioned I don't really mind Everton to much especially when they had Martinez as I like him but that was pretty shameful.
Somebody give Tadic a medal!
I'm with you on that! A fans allegiance is with there club, doesn't matter if you support Wolves, Accrington Stanley or Man Utd. Then if you want to see the best of the best and quality, we have Barca, Madrid, Bayern, Atletico, Juventus etc.. In the latter stages of the Champions League.
Where does international football fit in with the modern game? I can understand why it did back in the day, but to me it feels like it's as good as dead. We saw in the summer at the Euro's that people weren't all that into it. There were a few nice stories (Wales, Iceland, N Ireland), but meh, who really cares.
My Dad only likes football, he watches anything and everything (much to my Mom's horror!) and even he's been picking up the paper or laptop during tournaments and turned a blind eye on the qualifiers.
You can get football on tv from every league in the world, all hours of the day. Something is going to fall by the way side in the next 10-15 years, and I highly doubt it's going to be the club teams on the losing side..
I assume he won an important qualifying match for you?
The guy is amazing. In our 2-2 draw with Ireland he assisted the first and scored the second, in our 3-0 win over Moldova he assisted two and scored one and now in our 3-2 win over Austria he again assisted two and scored one, the winning goal. He played part in literally all 8 goals so far.
Now getting a positive result against Wales away would be a really good boost for us. Hopefully the tradition will continue from last World Cup's qualifiers, when we beat Wales convincingly in both matches.
Gareth Southgate seems to be strengthening his case after beating the mighty Malta 2-0 in a qualifier. A man who no Premier League club, or fan of a Premier League club would want as manager looks like being the next manager of the national side. Crazy, all because so many people are insistent on imposing a handicap on themselves that the next England manager has to be English.
Don't think international football is going to go anywhere. For one thing a lot of the casual fans will only watch the World Cup and stuff. To be fair last World Cup was really good, especially the group stages. The Euros wasn't so good but that happens sometimes. Nobody seems to like qualifiers especially in this country, some other countries where the national league is rubbish then there's more excitement I would think.
Definitely think it'd be much better to play the qualifiers at the end of the season could finish all the seasons sooner that way with less international breaks off and what not. Would also give players more time to rest and recover for the big tournaments when they came around as well. Probably would make it a bit more exciting as well with a block of matches like that and nobody waited agonisingly for their season to start again.
Doubt it'll happen though, seems far too sensible.
Do like Tadic, used to think they'd found a better replacement for Lallana in him. I don't anymore but I do like Tadic, has to be one of your best players.
He is, alongside Mitrovic the striker for Newcastle, and there are Kolarov and Ivanovic, though they always seem to be performing better for their clubs. Ivanovic looks really past his best, I can partially understand now if some Chelsea fans celebrate when he gets benched.
Mitrovic do well for you? Know some Newcastle fans and they don't seem to rate him that highly although he does pop up with a few goals every now and then, don't think he starts for them usually these days. Pretty young though I guess. Ivanovic does look past it these days I must say great players though a couple of years ago. Hopefully Grujic will become one of your stars soon enough, he getting in the squad yet?
Mitrovic is ok. Can be dirty, but quite useful. And he is only 22, he has all the time in the world to improve. Won the Euro with U-19 and was a real goal machine in Anderlecht. Of course, it's always tough to produce same numbers in England.
Grujic made his debut for the senior team earlier this year, played 2 or 3 matches so far. Talented boy, represented Serbia at every level and even won the World Cup with the U-20s last year. We are kinda hoping that group will fulfill their potential, because since the 2010 World Cup where we beat Germany and then our coach mysteriously got sacked, it's been a complete disaster.
Yes, I like Tadic.
Wee Gordon Strachan is Finnish
Honestly, England were lucky to get a point against Slovenia, Hart was on fire.
Since when does Rooney wear #18?
Anthony Taylor from Greater Manchester has been appointed for the Liverpool United game.
Shades of Boxing Day 2013. Brilliant...
It's actually even worse, the place he was born, Wythenshawe is 6 and a half miles from Old Trafford. Unbelievable, not too subtle is it?
Yeah I know right. Imagine if he was from Merseyside instead though if he was he would have never been appointed in the first place. Why not just give it to Clattenburg? Absolute joke of a decision.
Webb was awful, Clattenburg awful, Atkinson awful, Foy awful, Dean awful, Dowd awful, Taylor awful... Any official left who is ok for a change?
That's not the point here, but FYI I don't think Clattenburg is awful. He's actually the best of a terrible bunch, him & Oliver are the best in the country at the moment imo. Don't even get me started on Webb, I mean seriously? Dean shouldn't be on the list coz he is from Wirral, has only been in charge of one (?) Liverpool game in his whole career, which is fair enough. Obviously though the same rules don't apply to refs from Greater Manchester?
You're missing the point. It's not about Taylor being an awful ref (and yes, he's ****e). It's about him being born 6 miles from Old Trafford, living in Greater Manchester etc. If you think giving him this game is the right decision, fair enough I guess, not at all biased are you?
Your previous comment about giving Clattenburg the job sounded sarcastic to me, sorry. And I wasn't referring to Liverpool - Man United games only, I mean Chelsea complain as well, City do too... It's always a bad referee after a loss. Makes me sick that rivals can't accept losses and whine like girls.
As for Taylor, if he is bad I am not going to support the idea of him officiating any big game, but I am not going to judge him days before the game by looking at where he was born, no matter if it's Greater Manchester or Liverpool.
Apart from Chelsea fans occasionally complaining about those two (it's a habit for them really), I didn't hear negative stuff about Webb and Clattenburg, though I wasn't following English football very much a few years ago. I am sure they made some mistakes like everyone else but you don't get to officiate the biggest games in football if you are awful.
You decide whether this is negative or not.
Funny thing though, I read a few years ago that City are the team that won the most points per game when he was in charge.
God I hope there won't be any controversy during the match, it's been a while since someone complained about Man United's games, I would like that to continue.
How would you feel if a referee was appointed for El Classica who was born six miles from the Bernabeu?
Referees make mistakes, it happen. When people lose big games they are inevitably going to look for things to blame especially if big decisions went against your team. It's not just your rivals either, I've seen plenty Man Utd fans do it as well.
But you're not born in Manchester and live in Manchester for most if not all of your life without having an attachment to one of the teams. Even if he is completely impartial it is asking for trouble. Puts him under even more scrutiny than usual. Mike Dean was taken off the 2006 FA Cup final because he's from the Wirral for similar concerns. He hasn't refereed a Liverpool or Everton game since, although apparently he supports Tranmere, just like apparently Taylor supports Altrincham(although apparently his wife is a Man Utd fan). It's reasonable that it makes being impartial harder even if you have the best intentions.
But Greater Manchester referees still get Manchester United Liverpool games, and the Man Utd Everton semi-final this same referee got also. One rule for Man Utd another for everyone else it seems.
True, it's all fans.
I get it draws attention, but did this guy already do some damage to Liverpool or helped Man United in some games before? If not I don't think it's fair to attack him before the upcoming match, that's all.
Alright then fair enough but the timing of your post made me think you were talking specifically about the Liverpool United match and Taylor.
I can't agree re Taylor I mean if Dean for example was given Liverpool & Everton games then yes but that's not the case is it? Why is it different from referees from Greater Manchester?? Genuine question. Apparently his family are ST holders as well. I blame the FA more then anyone at this point, not Taylor himself. It's absolutely insane how he's been given this game whilst Clattenburg will be the 4th official of some random match.
Yes, see Boxing Day 2013 the Manchester City Liverpool game. Gave us nothing at all, wrongly disallowed the Sterling goal etc. We were first at the time IIRC. Brendan questioned his appointment after the game and was fined £8.000 or something.
Ryan Babel. What a man. Scored the winner at Anfield in 2008/09.
PGMOL says the process behind referee selection is all about avoiding "unnecessary extra external pressure and scrutiny on referees" in what is an "already a high pressure and demanding job".
If this appointment doesn't do exactly that, I don't know what does.
Yeah good memories from that, as well as posting that picture that time. What a waste of ability though, got worse season on season. Seemed to peak at about 20. Saw he was trying to blame Rafa for managing him badly, I'm sorry Ryan you only have yourself to blame an awful lot of ability and potential has gone down the drain. More focused on his rapping ability.
On this day 20 years ago this masterpiece happened.
Maybe I would be worried a bit, but I would rather wait to see the match. Real already receive solid protection from officials, I have kind of accepted that that won't change anytime soon.
On Howard Webb, who can forget his masterful refereeing performance in that world cup final. Particularly the first half. One particular highlight.
Masterpiece is right. The real Ronaldo.
It's just asking for trouble though, the amount of extra pressure that is going to put on him even if he's the most unbiased impartial referee in the world, every decision is just under the microscope and utterly pointless when another referee with no such issues who's a fourth official in another game who could easily be given this game and has managed big games before.
Then there is the fact that referee's from near Liverpool don't get Liverpool games but Manchester referees get Man Utd games. A glaring inconsistency for all to see.
Nice scenes in the French league at the moment. By beating Olympique Lyon 2-0 and thanks to Monaco losing to Toulouse, Nice have stretched their lead on top of Ligue 1 to 4 points. In the first 9 games they have recorded 7 wins and 2 draws.
Although he missed his 4th career penalty tonight and further ruined what not so long ago looked like a perfect penalty record, Mario Balotelli looks like a man reborn this season. Right now he is the leading goalscorer of the current league leaders.
That's nice for them. Pleased to hear that, when it comes to the French League my feelings are very much anyone but PSG. A nice place like Nice with a Nice team at the top of the table will do nicely.
Yeah who'd have thought it, just goes to show how **** the French League is. But fair play to him I suppose, he's playing in a poor league where he can use his talents without having to work very hard and still look good. Perfect for him really.
PSG are struggling, already slipping up 3 times. There are already signs that they miss Ibra more than Ibra misses them. They also haven't had any big signings this summer and the new manager Emery (the guy who was owning Europa League with Sevilla) hasn't settled well. Would still fancy them winning the league but at least it will be more interesting this time. Last season they ended with more than 30 points than the runner-up, crazy.
Mario had some nice numbers in Serie A and the Premier League, harder ones than Ligue 1. Discipline has been holding him back but he seems to be improving there. He will never fix that problem completely but he should get back into the national squad soon. Italy don't have a great selection of strikers like they had before.
Fantastic piece by Jamie Carragher in tomorrow's paper. Exactly what I've been saying for years, but good to see someone with his standing speak out. So many pundits and journalists seem to be blind to it (the same ones who had Chelsea as a title contender this season, no doubt ).
Well good, nothing better than when a team tries to buy success and falls flat on their face. Although I think they will end up winning the league. Remember a couple of years ago Lyon gave them a decent go. Ibra or not they still have a quality side and it's going to tell over the season I would imagine, probably new players will settle and improve too, but yeah better to be more competitive 30 points is crazy. Might even help with trying to challenge in Europe in a way. When you have your league sewn up so early you can lose your competitive edge.
Well there's no denying his talent, he is a very talented player. It's why I was relatively pleased when he signed for Liverpool, although obviously that was nothing short of a disaster. Will be better for him to rebuild his confidence in a weaker league with a bit less pressure and attention on it such as the French and yeah, probably will get back in the Italy squad. Don't really bear him any ill will really in spite of that spell as I think he's probably a nice guy, just a bit mad. Much easier to enjoy when he plays for another side, although the mad crazy stuff like setting off fireworks didn't even happen when he was at Liverpool he was just **** and a bit boring.
Oh Jamie, why are you writing for that rag?
Completely agree though with what he says, just like pretty much every football fan. International tournaments are alright though, ****ing qualifiers and international friendlies so boring though. Doubt much is going to change though.
I think his idea (similar to yours with the internationals in the summer), with maybe some time over new year could be the way to go.
It wouldn't be enough to bring me back to international football personally, I think it's as good as dead in my eyes. You only need to ask fans.. My grandad is a Wolves fan and said he would take promotion or an FA Cup run over England winning the World Cup. You think Leicester fans would swap their League title for it? Heck, I'd take getting back in the top 4 this year over it!
But yes, keep that up Carragher and he'll be writing for The Times by Christmas
I think so yeah it would be more interesting to have a block like that then, plus part of the reason people don't like it is because they have all the club matches that are being put back as a result. Can hardly be worse than it is now.
Depends what you mean by bring back international football. If you mean superseding club football, then yeah that's probably gone. Although personally it has never been country over club. Although I have certainly been more interested in it than I am now. Personally I think in any time in history a club like Leicester winning the league would not trade any amount of England success because it's such an unlikely story. Some countries where the national Leagues aren't as good international football is still a bit more important to them. I think most people still enjoy a good tournament though, World Cup 2014 especially in the group stages was really good I thought and I think generally went down pretty well so it's stuff like these that make me think that they aren't going to change much. Even the end of season qualifiers seems a long shot to me.
Not even two penalties were enough for $hity this time LOL!
That's 5 penalties for them already in this Premier League and 8 in all competitions. They can play some really nice football but this disgusts me. Makes me root against them even more. Pity Tottenham drew too.
If United win on Monday, 1st and 7th would be separated by only 4 points, crazy tight at the beginning.
I agree about 2014 being a great tournament. Euro 96, France 98, Germany 06 and Brazil 14 were excellent.
I notice a bit of theme here.. FIFA and their obsession to have big tournaments in South Aftica, Korea, Qatar, Russia etc.. Diminishes them imo. The best tournaments take place in a country with a rich culture of the game already exists, iconic stadiums etc.. If they persist on sending the biggest events to footballing outposts and get their way on 48 team tournaments? It's not going to end well. Just my take.
And if Liverpool win on Monday they go joint top of the table!
Good luck on Monday.
I thought you already have the best goal difference of all, but you both score and concede a lot.
Yeah that's true saw a stat the other day, apparently if we concede on Monday it will be 10 home games in a row without a clean sheet worst record in years. Though as long as we win I couldn't care less about all that, and as I've said before think we've been unlucky with the clean sheets this season, our defence has been decent first couple of games aside.
You're also supposed to say you too!
Yeah, most won't mind conceding goals if they are confident in scoring a lot themselves. Didn't watch many of your games, but some of the conceded goals were from really unexpected errors. like the one Vardy scored when you beat Leicester at Anfield. They aren't costing you so far though so there isn't much to complain I guess.
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