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Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Ross K, Aug 10, 2008.

  1. Feña14

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    That's true, and I agree. It's been a very interesting season so far (last year was good, but I thought it had more to do with how inept the so called "big" clubs were than anything else). Still, a strong and powerful Man Utd (like they were a decade ago) in the mix would add an extra something I think.

    Not that I'm complaining though, City and Liverpool are proving more than enough competition :)

    Yeah it was never going to work for Man Utd imo, whatever success they might of had would end up offset by the image he brings, the off field stuff, the mess that needs sorting after he leaves etc.. I thought PSG was the best move for him personally. A team loaded with talent who can't get past the last 8 in Europe, a couple of seasons to win them the Champions League seems more suited to him. Paris has great links to London too so he would be close to his family, a big City where he wouldn't be recognised, more places to go out and eat etc.. All things he seems to crave and have seemed to be an issue for him so far in Manchester.
     
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    Frustrating day yesterday. Spent about 10 minutes on a stream before I gave up. Quite impossible to find a reliable stream these days. Sucks because the actual stream was crystal clear, but doesn't matter because it kept stopping.

    Still think all this never going to work stuff is jumping the gun. Guess it gets easier to say after every result and we are not challenging for the title. I still believe in patience. I'm old school, Jack. haha Yes, let the desperation flow. Nah, I believe. Seriously.

    I've been most impressed with Chelsea. Proving that a lot of crystal balls don't have the facts.
     
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    I like underdog stories too but it's also about the big clubs being there among the best too. I am not saying I miss Manchester United's Premier League dominance, but their competitiveness. They haven't been in the race since their last league title. Same goes for Inter and Milan, they aren't there anymore (though maybe that changes for Milan this season). Their fall helped Juventus a bit because other teams aren't really calibre of old Inter and Milan from 2000s. All recent underdog stories were great to see, Leicester, Atletico Madrid, Borussia Dortmund, Montpellier... But I also enjoy most of the big ones regularly being in contention.
     
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    7 games for Mourinho to save his job

    Nov 30 Manchester United v West Ham United (LC)

    Dec 4 Everton v Manchester United

    Dec 11 Manchester United v Tottenham Hotspur

    Dec 14 Crustal Palace v Manchester United

    Dec 17 West Brom v Manchester United

    Dec 26 Manchester United v Sunderland

    Dec 31 Manchester United v Middlesbrough

    I can see United downing the hammers but then what? How many points out of 18 on offer until New Years? 10?
     
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    No Mourinho and Manchester United score in the 2nd minute. Maybe Red Devils should think about sacking him early. :p
     
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    Couldn't do that in the Premier League but they score immediately in the EFL Cup... What a bunch of trolls.

    Oh well, I guess we will have to settle for the Europa League and a Cup double.

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    Martial is bringing the danger tonight.

    Sweet assist for Mkhitaryan.
     
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    As I was saying. :p
     
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    That's the end of the road for Arsenal.

    Schweini is coming on. :)
     
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    Convincing win but you guys are so wasteful at times, I know how it feels... Good luck in the rest of the competition.
     
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    Jammy bastards. I knew they'd get Hull, dunno why I got so nervous before the draw, it's always the same. :rolleyes: at least we're home 2nd leg always feel more comfortable playing away first.

    Come on Hull you divvies knock them out please!!!!!

    Yeah that Arsenal team was pretty terrible, apparently Southampton were great tho so props to them.

    United was the only one going full strength, says a lot. ;)

    Oh and forgot to add, West Ham are ****ing ****e!!! They're worse then Sunderland imo, at least at the moment.
     
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    The semifinal draw is complete. Southampton vs Liverpool and Manchester United vs Hull City will be the 1st legs.
    Scared of a close 1-0 final defeat? ;)

    To be fair Manchester United's road has been tougher so far. You had one Premier League team in four matches, we had two in three.
     
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    Yes, it says that we are all in on our trip to Disney this season. Checking out all the rides :p We must win that cup. haha You and I know that you would love nothing better than beating us in the final.

    Positive for us is that Mourinho FINALLY has proof that Mkhitaryan can play in the premier league. So good that West ham were that team that felt his penetration. Alex Ferguson used to say that word a lot and it always made me giggle. I'm giggling now just thinking. Anyway, good luck in your semi.
     
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    Really surprised that we drew against Hercules away in the Copa del Rey. Great strike from Alena got us a draw in the 1st leg.

    It's a must win game on Saturday as Real Madrid who are 6 points ahead are coming to visit. A bit concerned since there isn't much to compliment recently.
     
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    "Scared" well yeah I mean I'm hardly the only one, I bet United fans would rather Southampton in the final, and not (just) because they're easier on paper. There's nothing worse then losing to your biggest rival in a cup final. We'll never heard the end of it. Obviously be ****ing boss if we win it beating them but on the other hand id much rather lose to Hull or anyone else for that matter (besides maybe Everton lol). Would go as far to say that a defeat to United might have a negative effect on our season in general (league etc.), so yeah not to mention the nerves for us fans, will be unbearable though exciting at the same time. lol.

    Yeah don't think you had a tougher road to the semis tbh, I'd say about the same, we played one extra round (coz we finished 8th last season) then Derby away is definitely tougher then Northampton at home (though admittedly Derby wasn't at their best at the time), City better then Spurs yeah but no by much, plus City played their 2nd string team, West Ham have got better quality players than Leeds but again as a team id say they're not that much better Payet & co look like they can't be arsed anymore, pretty disgraceful. And the three at the back is just daft, Bilic is no Conte. And now you've got Hull which should obviously be much easier then Southampton so I'd even argue we had the toughest road. :p Pretty similar in the end though, difference being we've played kids in every game so far.

    Yeah i mean good for you I guess, personally I I've got a soft spot for the League Cup like couldn't care less if it's not as "prestigious" as the FA Cup and all that rubbish I've heard from some Arsenal fans tonight. lol was ****ing devastated last year when we lost to City so yeah as I said to Doctor I'd rather Hull in the final assuming we go through of course. Yes, you're right beating you in the final like we did in 2003 is always my dream scenario going into them cups and although I'm confident were the better team (by far), it's an one-off game and anything can happen. We never do it the easy way so I wouldn't expect anything different now, hull or united in the final doesn't matter. Ughh I'm overanalysing things again and it's not even December yet :p Just hoping we go through and then we'll see.

    Yeah Mkhitaryan looked good tonight I've got to admit. Will hopefully start on the bench at the weekend. :D

    Cheers mate. :)
     
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    You can only blame yourselves for finishing low last season. One extra cup match won't harm especially when there are no European competitions for you this season meaning you can focus much better on the league. On the other hand we also have only ourselves to blame for having to play Thursday night football. :D

    I don't remember Spurs putting their strongest line-up either. West Ham are in a slump but are clearly better than Championship sides. I'll obviously give you Southampton (even though Hull beat them in the league this season :D). Maybe you would have preferred if we clashed in the semifinal. No runner-up disappointment for either side. ;)
     
  17. Slice'n'dice

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    Looking like a Man Utd Liverpool final then. Not gonna be one for fans of other teams. Klopp's got wins over Mourinho before though and this is a spent Mourinho. Never know in a one off game but I'm confident we'll get the win.

    Ridiculous how people hype up Rashford more than this guy. Were going absolutely crazy for him (and completely over the top of course) after he made a good start last season, but now it's died off and people go mad wanking over Rashford, he is English I suppose. Rashford's a promising young player but he's nowhere near Martial's league.

    Rooney suspended as I recall so a better chance of Mikey starting which is a pity.

    May find yourselves in a similar situation when the Europa League is your best hope of Champions League football.

    Probably more or less even in truth taking into account the semi-final. Although Northampton is as poor a team as most teams have played. Tough semi-final over two legs in a busy January means the tougher draw is Liverpool's I'd say but whatever. Take an all comers and all that. Hull are basically a championship side anyway. They were lucky to win their quarter final (or unlucky considering the extra games, tiny squad and lack of real chance of winning the thing).
     
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    Chelsea crushing everything in their path, watch out. :eek:

    Manchester City have failed to register a Premier League win at home in their last four matches.


    Now this is why I love karma. :D
     
  19. The apocalypse is coming, EPL's darling Aguero just got sent off.
     
  20. Slice'n'dice

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    Well Chelsea winning the oil derby then. City absolutely bottled it, it has to be said. Only got themselves to

    Still don't see Chelsea winning the League to be honest. Both Tottenham and City probably should've beaten them. The more they play this 3 at the back the more teams will figure it out I feel so I don't see them winning the title. City not looking like the team that started the season though, door's open for the mighty reds.

    Likewise Man Utd/Mourinho's League position eh?
     
  21. Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

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    What makes City and United similar?
     
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    Oh yeah, no doubt it is because Rashford is English. He has to be hyped up as the next big thing. I've no doubt that on their best day, Martial is better. Just haven't been seeing many best days this season with injuries, inconsistency and whatever.

    Yes, Sir Wayne is suspended tomorrow.
     
  23. Looks like Sergio Ramos only knows how to score in the 90th minute or after. :D It remains 6 points between Real and Barcelona.
     
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    That was one of the worst derbies in recent memory. Disappointing from both.

    I thought that by now defenders would start paying more attention to Ramos after all those late goals from him, but no. :rolleyes: We paid the price for not converting great chances to score the second and now Real remain in good control of the race. It is a disgusting feeling because they haven't been really spectacular themselves.
     
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    People have been saying Chelsea will be figured out all season, and I'd of agreed with that. I don't think that's the case anymore though, they seem so well drilled at it that nothing can work against it for 90 minutes. City have tried, Tottenham had to play perfectly to handle it for a half, teams have tried to match the formation and got blown away (Everton).

    Chelsea will go through a bad patch, everyone does throughout the season at some point, but a universal formula that all teams will copy? It's not looking likely.

    Injuries are probably the biggest hurdle right now. Fabregas came in and did what he does, but it wasn't as solid without Matic in there. Costa is by far and away the best striker in the league, Batshuayi can't replace him, if one of the wing backs go down the system wouldn't work etc..
     
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    Sergio Ramos is such a pain in the backside. But very disappointed with Lionel Messi.
     
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    If I was a gambling man, I would have bet on Chelsea yesterday. No doubt I'd have lost the bet because it is always the one team lets you down bs. Even if it was like 4 or 5 teams letting me down. Anyway, just fancied Chelsea.

    Liverpool taking care of their game in hand.

    Best case scenario for United today is closing the gap to fourth place, to 7 points.
     
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    Spoke too soon about Liverpool. Wow.

    I really hate the Everton tune that comes on before their games.

    Mkhitaryan and Martial rewarded with starting places. Bailly back on the bench.
     
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    Nice comeback win from Bournemouth didn't see that coming.
     
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    Fellaini just on and gives away a penalty. Ahhhhhhhhhhh.

    Garbage indeed.

    Baines was never going to miss. Fellaini will be training with the Salford under 12s until his contract runs out.

    Everton looking like they will win now.
     
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    Still laughing about Liverpool
     
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    wow comeback from the blushites to get the draw didn't see that coming.

    Still laughing about United

    9 points behind. Cheerio.






    Collymore closing iinnnnn
     
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    Classic moment.

    You knew it was coming today. Took our foot off the gas once more. Same old, same old. Can't say it wasn't a fair result. Scrappy game and didn't really create any clear cut chances again.
     
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    Well lets see, geographical location, team of superstars. Massive wage bills, both attempting to buy success, big name managers.

    So quite a lot as it turns out.

    Think Spurs haven't beaten Chelsea away in about 30 years or something? It was as much mental as anything else them blowing that, although Chelsea came back very well. City should've been out of sight by the time Chelsea came back, so wasteful. But I think you're right that teams won't be able to see the formula that everyone can copy. Because unless Chelsea have an off day, there's only so many teams who will be able to pull it off. But I think enough teams will figure it out over time to mean that too many teams will be able to give them a hard time, but who knows? Got a good run of fixtures from what I recall coming up though so probably won't happen for a while.

    Having Kante and Matic gives so much protection it's no wonder the defence has been so good of late (especially considering Gary Cahill is a starter in said defence). Would disagree on Costa although a fantastic player I would say Aguero is a better player although Costa has been better this year, also if you count Sanchez as a striker I'd say him as well. Probably would be my player of the season so far.
     
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    Seems that teams with names beginning with B are the ones that beat us.

    Shocking capitulation but I'd rather lose to these kinds of sides and beat the big sides, the City's, the Chelsea's, Spurs and Arsenal than the other way round.

    Probably due a loss in a way, now we can take the pressure off with the run without defeats. Nothing's won in December, just annoying that we have to wait a week to put it right.
     
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    City (barely) bought their recent success which is pretty much all they have. Now compare that to everything that United have and the manner in which they achieved it. Massive difference.

    So you think clubs having big wage bills, superstars and big name managers means they deserve to lose? That is not what I was suggesting when mentioning karma.
     
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    Yeah I'm sure there's a way that will make it tougher for Chelsea, but a universal plan that most teams can copy and have success with doesn't look likely (which is a pleasant surprise). It's been quite a while since a formation so different has had prolonged success in England, so that's good. I wonder if we'll play a 3-5-2 at some point with 3 central midfielders and 2 strikers. Conte liked that at Juventus and it gave Pirlo freedom to pull the strings, maybe that's a way of getting Fabregas more involved and more protection in the middle for the big games. Something to watch out for in the coming years I guess.

    As for Aguero and Costa, I like Aguero a lot. He's a great finisher and poacher and technically brilliant with his ball at his feet. I'd say Costa has those attributes too (even if they're a bit behind Aguero's). Costa is far more physical, strong, dominant in the air, can bully centre backs, be used as a target man, hold the ball up etc.. Aguero doesn't have that. Look at Costa's goal yesterday, he had the great run, physically bullied the centre back, took it down and finished. Then for Willian he used his strength again to hold off the defender and win the 50/50, before playing it through for Willian to finish. Aguero is phenomenal at what he does, but he's not as complete as Costa imo.
     
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    I am a bit more disappointed with Neymar, he usually converts that sort of a chance with his eyes closed. Though I am trying not to be greedy as Barcelona have won so much over the last decade, it kind of annoys me that Real are ahead in this season by such a margin as I think they aren't playing football out of this world.
    Maybe he was referring to your recent spending. It isn't something we are very used to seeing from Manchester United, though your club is doing good business now even when not being successful on the pitch so credit has to be given for that. Even though I prefer Manchester City's football at the moment, they got rich in a different manner, how some would say, plastic. So as far as looking at success goes, I think there is difference.
     
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    Half a billion or something in the last 3 or 4 years? More last season than Leicester in their entire History. Buying success is buying success.

    If it's money beyond which nearly anyone can spend then it's a little unfair on everyone else. Teams doing that is destroying football. So yeah can't say they don't deserve it. Not to mention how Mourinho has behaved his entire career, especially recent years. No amount of failure could be undeserving for that guy karma-wise.
     
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    Only time will tell I suppose I do think it's a more vulnerable formation with more weaknesses than most other formations so I'm still sceptical (partially in hope I admit but I have long been sceptical of 3 at the back, especially in the prem) and it's still been a relatively short period. See if it stands the test of time, but we shall see.

    On Costa and Aguero you've said it there, Costa is a better powerful physical striker but Aguero is better in other ways, he's also done it for a lot longer and has better discipline (although part of that is a quality in winding up defenders and the rest of that obviously has it's uses). Both probably World Class players though, also they are both probably better fits for their respective clubs than the other one.
     
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    Man City are doing "good business" they pass financial fair play regulations, likewise with Chelsea. With enough really good marketing people getting lucrative sponsorships and the rest of it people can spend more than anyone else, it isn't football. Man Utd are living off their brand and name now not their successes. Not really in the spirit of fair play and even playing fields to be honest. It's all plastic.
     
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    United earned their brand, they didn't buy it. Their success made the brand. So if you want to talk real plastic, then we can't be compared with City. Not that I care about any of that.

    Not in the spirit of fair play? Are you drunk? The world is not fair.

    What concerns me is what is happening on the pitch. Another must win game next weekend. I fancy a draw.
     
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    When you look at Serie A, the game is so tactical and teams use all kinds of interesting formations, change them with ease every week etc.. English players are knocked for being football illiterate in a way, they're very rigid and get by more on power and pace than being well rounded, skilful, intelligent players. I think a few teams playing unusual systems, players will have to adapt to both play in a side who does, and also when they come up against it.

    I remember England used to play it quite a bit in the '90's and a few teams around the league did too (possibly related to the influx of foreign players, specifically from Serie A around that time). There's still question marks over it working for Chelsea long term, but it'll be good for the Premier League and the players playing for the national side if it sticks around imo.

    Yeah that's true, Costa is basically Drogba v2. I've always preferred those types personally, they contribute more to a game for me. Aguero types will have a couple of moments of genius a game and more often than not will hurt you with them. It's just less reliable in my experience.
     
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    A good part of that money went on players that majority never heard of before, hardly any are true world class. Tough to buy success with that. As for the comparison with City, remember that money got them success while for United it's pretty much the other way around, success earned the brand and a lot of money with it. I guess we are guilty of buying the last FA Cup :D but it's clearly not City/PSG style.

    You earn, you spend. This isn't personal life where one might decide to slowly add money into a secret stash to use in tough life situations, this is highly competitive sports. Majority of big clubs are spending nowadays. Can't really expect them to apologize to the rest for being far bigger institutions and not use what they have. And we understood you can't stand Mourinho. He's had his tough moments and will have some more until his retirement, everyone goes through them. The reason I used karma for City is because back when they won the league they had some escapes while Manchester United and Liverpool both performed a choke of epic proportions so now them being wasteful in their matches is some kind of payback.
     
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    Safe to say you're very glad for Chelsea proving your wrong? ;) If I remember well you were predicting that they will struggle to get the Champions League spot.
     
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    Manchester United weren't born with a massive brand and name. What do you think earned them that? Consistent success for more than two decades and some in older times as well. Now when there is a struggle, they have a lot of money to lean on and make their attempts to return to the top less difficult, and they earned that. Just how teams like Real Madrid and Bayern Munich earned that and how recently Barcelona have earned that. Building teams, dynasties, having big success awards with big worldwide fanbases and great deals with sponsors which results in wealth. Nothing plastic about that in my opinion.
     
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    As delighted as I am surprised! Up until the change to a back 3 they were looking every bit as bad as I was expecting them to be. Who would of thought Cahill and Luiz, with Azpilicueta at centre back, Moses right back and a Sunderland reject on the left would work? Sounds like a recipe for disaster! That's why football is so great I guess, it follows no logic :)
     
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    100 % ABU talk. Get it right, the Club, the city, the players created the brand. On pitch success and a terrible tragedy made Manchester United the iconic brand that it is today. You can't buy this and you certainly cannot place a negative ethical connotation on it.
     
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    So it's better because you spent the money badly? I'm sorry but that's nonsense, if you spend half a billion on players over 3 or 4 years then you are trying to buy success. Success has in part made the brand but as much as anything else they have an excellent marketing team which is nothing to do with football. Having the good fortune to have that period of success at a time when so much more money was coming into football and so much more worldwide coverage available.



    Yea Mourinho has had a hard time of it anyway. Poor guy, being eyebutted in the finger by Tito there what a disgrace. Gonna have quite a few more tough moments managerially speaking going forward as the game has moved one without him. Can't help but fell this is his last big job.

    Football is better if anyone could achieve greatness in my opinion, sport in general is better when it's not a closed shop. Back in the day there were good teams from all over the place. Liverpool benefit from this as well to some degree, but all of it means that financial fair play is anything but. If it's about spending what you directly earn from your success then it's more of an even playing field. Rather than who's had recent success and can sign a good marketing team to make more money out of that. It makes it about the business rather than the sport itself, which in turn makes it grossly uneven. Why not just cut out the middlemen and put the marketing teams on the pitch as that's more and more who is really competing.
     

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