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Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Ross K, Aug 10, 2008.

  1. WarriorRafa

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    Wow, I was sure Chelsea would drop points against both Spurs and City. Was expecting max 4 points, 6 is a delight! Now I hope they don't get complacent coz the next 5-6 fixtures are pretty easy on paper. Need to extend that 3 point lead as much as possible.
     
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    It is not just about recent success. Clubs I mentioned have had success in several periods of their history, not just in the last decade. The prize money for winning or reaching certain rounds of competitions is really small compared to money that clubs earn through sponsors, TV rights and other things. If the clubs haven't performed well and won trophies throughout the years it gets much tougher for the marketing teams to earn them extra money. I am sure most would love to have the resources of the biggest clubs like Real/United/Barcelona/Bayern but wealth didn't fall from the sky for them. It isn't what made them great. Sometimes I wish there is less of the business part involved too but that is the way that football works for a while now.

    Anyway despite big spending, we have had some good underdog stories in recent time. Leicester City, Atletico Madrid, Montpellier, Borussia Dortmund all became domestic champions while battling richer clubs. This season Nice are leading Monaco and Paris Saint-Germain in France, Leipzig are leading Bayern in Germany, Liverpool and Arsenal are in the title race ahead of Manchester clubs. This one hurts but in Spain Real who hardly spent anything this summer lead Barcelona who spent a lot... Money is not always a guarantee for success, sometimes having less of it can even lead to some smarter decisions while it also can be easier for the transferred player to settle when not having a huge price tag on himself.
     
  3. Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

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    Sorry but I look at the players that are brought. If all transfer windows were like the last one where several top quality players were brought in most positions I would have agreed but that is not the case. Most of the signings aren't world class superstars and there is no amount of money that will change that. Majority if not all Sir Alex's squads were stronger than the current side and very tough opponents existed back then as well. Considering I hear and read a lot of comments how any decent side from any country would beat the current Man United, I wonder how are they success buyers if anyone can beat them. If the club didn't leave a huge mark on the game over the years, the current business wouldn't have been as good as it is so it does have to do with football. The period of success was huge so I don't see how good fortune can be brought into that.

    What's up with that? I am not defending his behavior, especially not the one in Real Madrid. I am just saying he had some tough moments. He benefited from some questionable decisions sometimes but on occasions they went against him as well so it's not like there is a lot to "pay for", especially since he isn't an overachiever IMO.
     
  4. Huh? Nobody with the great brand and name like Man United can be considered plastic. :rolleyes:
     
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    FA Cup 3rd round draw is complete:

    Ipswich Town vs Lincoln City or Oldham Athletic
    Barrow vs Rochdale
    Manchester United vs Reading
    Hull City vs Swansea City
    Sunderland vs Burnley
    QPR vs Blackburn
    Millwall vs Bournemouth
    West Ham vs Manchester City
    Brighton & Hove Albion vs MK Dons or Charlton
    Blackpool vs Barnsley
    Wigan vs Nottingham Forest
    Birmingham City vs Newcastle United
    Chelsea vs Peterborough or Notts County
    Middlesbrough vs Sheffield Wednesday
    West Brom vs Derby County
    Everton vs Leicester City
    Liverpool vs Newport County or Plymouth
    Wycombe Wanderers vs Stourbridge or Northampton
    Watford vs Burton Albion
    Preston North End vs Arsenal
    Cardiff City vs Fulham
    Stoke City vs Wolves
    Cambridge United vs Leeds United
    Bristol City vs Fleetwood Town or Shrewsbury
    Huddersfield Town vs Port Vale
    Tottenham vs Aston Villa
    Brentford vs Halifax or Eastleigh
    Bolton vs Crystal Palace
    Norwich City vs Southampton
    Sutton United vs AFC Wimbledon
    Accrington Stanley vs Luton Town
    Rotherham United vs Oxford United or Macclesfield
     
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    Preston and Arsenal, the battle of the invincibles!
     
  7. Slice'n'dice

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    All I'm saying is it's not good for the game to have anyone to have that much more to spend than anyone else, it's been getting out of control for a while now, but especially now. Man City don't have a great history of long success, neither do Chelsea but neither team fails the financial fair play because their marketing people work a way around it (or in Chelsea's case, farming young players and selling them). Think City did once but all those other seasons they have not.

    Also - I can honestly say I'm glad my side is not spending the sort of ridiculous money that some of these clubs are spending. Especially now as they are doing well but even if they weren't - I wouldn't want them to play such a part. Because as much as anything else I'm a fan of football and this isn't good for football.
     
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    That's a ridiculous argument, that's just bad recruitment strategy. Manchester United are trying to buy back success and have been for years. That the players they've bought, by and large haven't been that good is nothing to do with it. Doesn't matter if they are galacticos or not, if you are spending hundreds of millions on players there's no other way around that, it is trying to buy success, the money's been spent poorly that's all. The period of success was indeed very long but if it was back say twenty or thirty years, it would not be nearly as valuable brand as it is. There's been lots of successful sides in England over the years, Manchester United's success has been at a good time for building the brand.

    Wouldn't say City are overachievers to be honest, they probably should've won more than they have. You are right that their titles were quite fortunate in that the opportunity came from Man Utd and Liverpool bottling it, but the sides they have had were top quality. I mean Mourinho more as a man and the way he carries himself, it was kind of entertaining for a while but his spiel has got old and stale now, as it seems has his ability to manage at a top level. Wouldn't be surprised if this is his last big job to be honest, and I wouldn't be sorry to see him go.
     
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    Those are some exceptions alongside Paris Saint-Germain where some billionaires came out of nowhere and turned those clubs into a force. I am not a fan of that kind of path to success either though if those clubs play attractive football I tend to ignore how they got there. Most of the clubs that can afford to pay everything are the ones that already have established themselves as giants of the football world a while ago.

    Maybe you will change your view if one day Liverpool find themselves in a position to play such part. ;) I don't know what is your current standard for Liverpool but they haven't won something big in quite a while. Now with Klopp you are playing some really good and entertaining football (actually entertainment was there most of the time before as well) but it seems your defense is letting you down on occasions.
     
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    It's easier to watch them of course, I have enjoyed watching Man City very much at times this season, especially early on when they were flying, but I could never wish them well or want them to do well really, although I would over Man Utd for obvious reasons and over Chelsea as well. Pity really because I had a soft spot for Man City before all this money came in. There is a tendency towards that of course it makes it easier to grow your brand but as with City and Chelsea they have managed to make themselves sustainable with other means, which result in them passing the so-called financial fair play regulations.

    Liverpool are still probably among the richest clubs in the world, as one of the biggest themselves they should be able to generate a lot of money with that brand, but I don't think the marketing teams and what not are generally as good as a lot of others. But I wouldn't really like to see use spending like that either. People talk about a wage cap for teams but I would be more in favour of an overall spend cap for these sides to prevent people just spending far more than anyone else can afford, reduce the chances of being a closed shop.

    Defence is not as big a problem as is sometimes portrayed for Liverpool so long as Joel Matip's fit, although set pieces remain a bit dodgy regardless. Very positive about the way things are going overall though for sure.
     
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    What about your keeper? Jamie, Gary and the rest of the know everything people think you don't have a title winning keeper. So yeah,big problem if you have a dodgy keeper.
     
  12. Slice'n'dice

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    Yeah true he's not had the best of starts, only young though and new to the league (remember De Gea when he came in?), he's bound to improve. Don't think you do necessarily need a top quality keeper to win the title, although obviously it helps. Almost did it the other year with Mignolet after all, didn't lose it because of him. It's a bit simplistic analysis to say this sort of stuff about any one position, you need a world class keeper, you need a 20 goal striker. Just don't think it's true, no squad is perfect. We have a potential twenty goal striker but he can't get into our team, but suddenly nobody talks about that because we are scoring goals for fun anyway. It's about how you protect your weaknesses, if we can keep most of our first choice back 4 fit most of the season, and keep playing well attacking-wise then it's not going to be too bad, won't face that many shots anyway and Karius is going to improve.
     
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    To quote Peter Crouch ''you're playing well and scoring goals.'' What more can you ask for? Nah, it felt like he was being a bit over dramatic about Karius. I can remember them being on his case in previous Liverpool matches.

    But we've seen De Gea make a couple of blunders this season. I think Jamie Carragher is going a bit nuts because he likes your chances this season. And it has been so long since you won the title.If your strengths are good enough to overcome whatever weakness you have then great. He could end up making some vital saves to gain points that could be lost if your team is playing **** one day.
     
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    Great comeback from Borussia Dortmund, 2-0 down against Real Madrid at the Bernabeu but they rescued a draw and thanks to that won the group. Their 2nd goal tonight also broke the record for most goals scored by a single team in Champions League group stages. They have scored 21.

    Group winners: Arsenal, Napoli, Barcelona, Atletico Madrid, Monaco, Borussia Dortmund, Leicester City, Juventus
    Group runners-up: Paris Saint-Germain, Benfica, Manchester City, Bayern Munich, Bayer Leverkusen, Real Madrid, Porto, Sevilla

    A lot of potentially great matches could happen in the first knockout round already, many strong runners-up out there that winners would prefer to avoid.
     
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    My God Borussia are such a beautiful side to watch. If only they discovered consistent form they would be making Bayern sweat a lot in Germany, and the whole Europe as well.
     
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    Pleased to see four Spanish teams in the last 16.

    Of course, this means now that Sevilla won't be defending the Europa League and going for the 4th in a row. Opportunity for several teams now to take it and get to the Champions League. :p
     
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    Felt like Ibra was on pro evo there. The way he was moving the ball. Dominating the game, but no goal yet.

    Security at this ground is top notch. :rolleyes:
     
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    Finally Mkhi. Now that's a really good first goal for the club.
     
  19. Despite not being at his clinical best, Ibrahimovic is scoring a solid amount of goals, could get close to Van Persie's numbers in his debut season. Ibra might even surpass the previous season top scorer's tally before the new year. Though it tells about his quality it also reveals how awful our attack was last season.

    Big game against Tottenham next Sunday.
     
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    Shame about Southampton, knocked out of the group stages because of the away goal.
     
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    Four Spanish teams are in last 16 of Champions League (Barcelona, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, Sevilla) while all three Spanish teams in the Europa League (Athletic Bilbao, Celta de Vigo, Villarreal) have advanced to the knockout stages too.

    They are all making La Liga very proud. :) Never expected such great results for a longer period of time. Though the national team is finished with dominance the clubs are still the ones to beat.
     
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    Leicester 3-0 after 20 minutes.

    Glad I tuned in for this.
     
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    [​IMG]

    Boy did Jamie pick a perfect moment to end his drought. :D
     
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    I'm not sure what Guardiola is doing with City. Obviously he has his philosophy and it's been very successful at Barcelona and Bayern, but it's a lot easier to do when you have a star studded squad capable of doing anything.

    Asking City (who are very good, but not world class like his previous teams) to do the same is surely destined to fail? He has talent at his disposal, he doesn't seem to be using them in a way that highlights that though.
     
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    They were still trying to play out from the back when it was either 3 or 4, and it almost caused another goal. Good stuff.
     
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    Sergio Ramos now scores a 92nd minute winner against Deportivo La Coruna.

    You have got to be kidding me! :rolleyes:
     
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    Looks like I am going to be sick for a second weekend in a row.
     
  28. It's 2006-07 all over again for Real Madrid, back when they scored many late goals and won the most dramatic La Liga race in recent memory.

    Wish I could hear thoughts on "Ramos time" from @Noleberic123 but looks like he is on a break. :p
     
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  31. Mkhitaryan wins it for Man United, big 1-0 win against Tottenham. Man I hope it's not a serious injury.

    Massive f u to the referee.
     
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    Wasteful from Manchester United again but to be fair they deserved this after four straight home draws, all in which they dominated.
     
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    Yes, the ref had a shocker. Performed like a proud member of ABU.

    I was getting nervous at the end even though Tottenham didn't look threatening at all. Once again, wasting some chances, but at least we didn't give Tottenham anything. Phil Jones outshining Mike Smalling once more. Maybe Steve Kean was right, maybe Phil Jones will become the best defender in the world. :p

    All the best to Mkhitaryan.
     
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    Boy was Madley irritating me today...

    I hope Mkhi won't be out for long. He is adapting well just like Ibra and Bailly. Pogba isn't bad either though I'd prefer if he wasn't doing some unnecessary trick attempts and going into much pushing with the opponents. Yeah you are really strong but that's not the most important thing.

    A run of wins is needed now and looking at the next 5 games people will expect it.
     
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    Pep is bald.
     
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    And that's why Costa is the most complete striker in the league :)
     
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    I saw this on facebook. Amusing.

    When you realize there is no Darmstadt or Granada in the Premier League...

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    Fixed it for you
     
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    Ffs we got Bayern AGAIN despite finishing 1st. I actually give up fam.
     
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    Barcelona draw PSG again, Arsenal draw Bayern again, meanwhile Real draw Napoli. It's getting predictable now. :rolleyes:
     
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    Pogba bros will clash as Manchester United draw Saint-Etienne.

    Finally no Sevilla in the draw. :D

    Athletic Bilbao vs Apoel FC
    Legia Warszaw vs Ajax
    Anderlecht vs Zenit
    FC Astra Giurgiu vs KRC Genk
    Manchester United vs St-Etienne
    Villarreal vs AS Roma
    Ludogorets vs FC Copenhagen
    Celta Vigo vs Shakhtar Donetsk
    Olympiacos vs Osmanlispor
    KAA Gent vs Tottenham
    FC Rostov vs Sparta Prague
    Krasnodar vs Fenerbahce
    Borussia Monchengladbach vs Fiorentina
    AZ Alkmaar vs Lyon
    Hapoel Be’er Sheva vs Besiktas
    PAOK FC vs Schalke
     
  42. Slice'n'dice

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    Looks a fairly weak bunch of teams there. Great chance for Champions League football for Man Utd or Spurs.

    Tough break that, as good a chance as you've had to beat them this time though. They're struggling and Arsenal are on fire at the moment. Of course, could all be different by then.

    Good draw for City and pretty good for Leicester. Though I would expect them to lose that one.
     
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    You not seen him this year? He's a reformed character ;)
     
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    Just missing some Linfield or Glenavon to make this mug draw complete. :p
     
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    That boy Ronaldo wins his 4th Ballon d'Or


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    CL and Euro titles probably helped Ronaldo a lot. Congrats to him. The difference between the great two is again only one Ballon d'Or. Time for Messi to respond I guess...
     
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    The parallels. They are there. Late career hardware grab. Too little, too late, and the lustre on the GOAT's coat is just superficially dulled. Things can only get messier.
     
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    Yeah, he wont be able to achieve the same for club and country next year, although Real Madrid are doing very well. Hard to see him doing a lot of things because he is 30+ now, but I can't really doubt him.

    He is still my man in terms of Ronaldo vs Messi. It would be hard to be anything else since I'm a United supporter, right? I can't be that unbiased. :p
     
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    You can, don't be stuck in the past. ;)
     
  50. It's good to see Ronaldo work so hard to reach amazing heights, at one point Messi was blowing him away in every category there is, now the gap is respectable. Messi still has the edge and will end up as the greater of the two though.
     

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