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Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Ross K, Aug 10, 2008.

  1. WarriorRafa

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    Wow, I was sure Chelsea would drop points against both Spurs and City. Was expecting max 4 points, 6 is a delight! Now I hope they don't get complacent coz the next 5-6 fixtures are pretty easy on paper. Need to extend that 3 point lead as much as possible.
     
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  2. Tiki-Taka

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    It is not just about recent success. Clubs I mentioned have had success in several periods of their history, not just in the last decade. The prize money for winning or reaching certain rounds of competitions is really small compared to money that clubs earn through sponsors, TV rights and other things. If the clubs haven't performed well and won trophies throughout the years it gets much tougher for the marketing teams to earn them extra money. I am sure most would love to have the resources of the biggest clubs like Real/United/Barcelona/Bayern but wealth didn't fall from the sky for them. It isn't what made them great. Sometimes I wish there is less of the business part involved too but that is the way that football works for a while now.

    Anyway despite big spending, we have had some good underdog stories in recent time. Leicester City, Atletico Madrid, Montpellier, Borussia Dortmund all became domestic champions while battling richer clubs. This season Nice are leading Monaco and Paris Saint-Germain in France, Leipzig are leading Bayern in Germany, Liverpool and Arsenal are in the title race ahead of Manchester clubs. This one hurts but in Spain Real who hardly spent anything this summer lead Barcelona who spent a lot... Money is not always a guarantee for success, sometimes having less of it can even lead to some smarter decisions while it also can be easier for the transferred player to settle when not having a huge price tag on himself.
     
  3. Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

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    Sorry but I look at the players that are brought. If all transfer windows were like the last one where several top quality players were brought in most positions I would have agreed but that is not the case. Most of the signings aren't world class superstars and there is no amount of money that will change that. Majority if not all Sir Alex's squads were stronger than the current side and very tough opponents existed back then as well. Considering I hear and read a lot of comments how any decent side from any country would beat the current Man United, I wonder how are they success buyers if anyone can beat them. If the club didn't leave a huge mark on the game over the years, the current business wouldn't have been as good as it is so it does have to do with football. The period of success was huge so I don't see how good fortune can be brought into that.

    What's up with that? I am not defending his behavior, especially not the one in Real Madrid. I am just saying he had some tough moments. He benefited from some questionable decisions sometimes but on occasions they went against him as well so it's not like there is a lot to "pay for", especially since he isn't an overachiever IMO.
     
  4. Emperor of Belgrade

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    Huh? Nobody with the great brand and name like Man United can be considered plastic. :rolleyes:
     
  5. Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

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    FA Cup 3rd round draw is complete:

    Ipswich Town vs Lincoln City or Oldham Athletic
    Barrow vs Rochdale
    Manchester United vs Reading
    Hull City vs Swansea City
    Sunderland vs Burnley
    QPR vs Blackburn
    Millwall vs Bournemouth
    West Ham vs Manchester City
    Brighton & Hove Albion vs MK Dons or Charlton
    Blackpool vs Barnsley
    Wigan vs Nottingham Forest
    Birmingham City vs Newcastle United
    Chelsea vs Peterborough or Notts County
    Middlesbrough vs Sheffield Wednesday
    West Brom vs Derby County
    Everton vs Leicester City
    Liverpool vs Newport County or Plymouth
    Wycombe Wanderers vs Stourbridge or Northampton
    Watford vs Burton Albion
    Preston North End vs Arsenal
    Cardiff City vs Fulham
    Stoke City vs Wolves
    Cambridge United vs Leeds United
    Bristol City vs Fleetwood Town or Shrewsbury
    Huddersfield Town vs Port Vale
    Tottenham vs Aston Villa
    Brentford vs Halifax or Eastleigh
    Bolton vs Crystal Palace
    Norwich City vs Southampton
    Sutton United vs AFC Wimbledon
    Accrington Stanley vs Luton Town
    Rotherham United vs Oxford United or Macclesfield
     
  6. Russeljones

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    Preston and Arsenal, the battle of the invincibles!
     
  7. Slice'n'dice

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    All I'm saying is it's not good for the game to have anyone to have that much more to spend than anyone else, it's been getting out of control for a while now, but especially now. Man City don't have a great history of long success, neither do Chelsea but neither team fails the financial fair play because their marketing people work a way around it (or in Chelsea's case, farming young players and selling them). Think City did once but all those other seasons they have not.

    Also - I can honestly say I'm glad my side is not spending the sort of ridiculous money that some of these clubs are spending. Especially now as they are doing well but even if they weren't - I wouldn't want them to play such a part. Because as much as anything else I'm a fan of football and this isn't good for football.
     
  8. Slice'n'dice

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    That's a ridiculous argument, that's just bad recruitment strategy. Manchester United are trying to buy back success and have been for years. That the players they've bought, by and large haven't been that good is nothing to do with it. Doesn't matter if they are galacticos or not, if you are spending hundreds of millions on players there's no other way around that, it is trying to buy success, the money's been spent poorly that's all. The period of success was indeed very long but if it was back say twenty or thirty years, it would not be nearly as valuable brand as it is. There's been lots of successful sides in England over the years, Manchester United's success has been at a good time for building the brand.

    Wouldn't say City are overachievers to be honest, they probably should've won more than they have. You are right that their titles were quite fortunate in that the opportunity came from Man Utd and Liverpool bottling it, but the sides they have had were top quality. I mean Mourinho more as a man and the way he carries himself, it was kind of entertaining for a while but his spiel has got old and stale now, as it seems has his ability to manage at a top level. Wouldn't be surprised if this is his last big job to be honest, and I wouldn't be sorry to see him go.
     
  9. Tiki-Taka

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    Those are some exceptions alongside Paris Saint-Germain where some billionaires came out of nowhere and turned those clubs into a force. I am not a fan of that kind of path to success either though if those clubs play attractive football I tend to ignore how they got there. Most of the clubs that can afford to pay everything are the ones that already have established themselves as giants of the football world a while ago.

    Maybe you will change your view if one day Liverpool find themselves in a position to play such part. ;) I don't know what is your current standard for Liverpool but they haven't won something big in quite a while. Now with Klopp you are playing some really good and entertaining football (actually entertainment was there most of the time before as well) but it seems your defense is letting you down on occasions.
     

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