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Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Ross K, Aug 10, 2008.

  1. Slice'n'dice

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    If you waste that many chances it's your own fault. It's not luck, same when it happens to Liverpool or anyone else. It's not bad luck, especially when you are playing a team who has no other points away from home (Burnley) it's wasteful. Part of being a good team is breaking down such a team. Don't think any Mourinho team is a traditionally attacking team anyway. Of course compared to a small side who haven't been able to spend half a billion on new players they have most of the chances because of the difference in quality. But if he's playing a team of comparable or better quality it's the bus every time.

    Maybe so but goals are goals. Emre Can got 3 in 12 so far, which is a better ratio than Pogba, none of them set pieces, Still don't think of him as a major goal threat. 4 in 18 is nothing spectacular for an attacking midfielder.

    Yeah I mean obviously he's got talent, just seems mad. It's basically 90 million for potential which is totally mad. Hardly set the league alight. Mkhitaryan looks a much better player to me. Looks like much more sensible business.

    Campaign against Man Utd yeah?

    Think he'll still be there? Top 4 would surely be an absolute minimum and that is far from a guarantee.

    Come on, Aguero, De Bruyne, Sterling, Silva etc. As good as any attack in the League, arguably the best. Got to give Liverpool's defence the credit for starving them of said opportunities.
     
  2. I don't know. If there is a campaign it certainly isn't in Man United's favor. It kind of makes all the protections that some big teams in other leagues receive more gross.

    I think he will be there even without top 4, though I am confident of the team finishing in that group.
     
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    I know I was not asked, but since it is a public mall. I do think United will finish top 4. Yes, absolute minimum, although not really. Expectations are so high in the world today, people already questioning Pep just because City are not on a Barcelona or Bayern style run. But it is the world today. So it is a must we are in champions league next season one way or another.

    Wouldn't say he is any danger even if we don't finish in top 4. Guess he can say this is all about building for next season. And you can see improvement so he is working.

    Yeah, they did come on stronger again in the second half like they have been doing recently. Putting some moves together.

    Pep, like Jose, is still finding his way at the new club. Mourinho has the benefit of the premier league experience. City have been under power. Doesn't help when you haven't named an unchanged team once this season.
     
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    That b@stard Giroud did a better Mkhitaryan than Mkhitaryan.
     
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    I just don't see it that way. For me luck plays part. Mourinho's teams haven't been very attacking but he hasn't been extreme with the bus parking except in his 2nd period with Chelsea, that was just annoying. Now United were superior against Arsenal and quite even against City in their last two derbies. It's been solid football though from them but the standards probably aren't high after what they went through with Moyes and especially Van Gaal in his last season.

    Pogba was just a potential back a few years ago. Now he is among the best in the world with more room for improvement. He is more of a central midfielder while Mkhitaryan is more attacking. It's definitely good business, not much spent on the best player in German league in the middle of his prime. Very direct and smart guy.
     
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    I hope you will be wrong. Congratulations.
     
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    Big teams always get more decisions. It might be a step down from the Fergie years when he basically ran the FA, but you get more dodgy decisions in your favour than against. Fellaini every other game for instance and lets not forget Rojo's love of the two footed tackle.

    To be honest top four is still a failure with that sort of money spent. Almost got top 4 last season, what was it a couple of points? So 150 million to have more or less the same as last season is not a success. That kind of money on top of what was already a pretty good squad (Mourinho's attempts to put it down to make himself look better aside) you need a significant improvement. Anything other than a title challenge is a failure and but top 4 and I think he stays, outside the top four I think he would go, maybe not if he won the Europa League or something and therefore got Champions League.

    Liverpool have actually made a profit from their transfers this season. Whether they can keep it up and maintain a title challenge may remain to be seen, but it would take a spectacular failure not to at least improve on last season.


    Remember a few games in his spell at Inter in the Champions League and he was pretty damn defensive saw a few Real Madrid matches against Barca specifically with about 20% possession, don't think it started at his second spell at Chelsea. They were better in the League cup derby against Man City reserves, City were far better in the League match. Arsenal were awful but still snatched a draw. I don't see much improvements from them from Van Gael's years and I think they'll finish in a similar position, which is absolutely shameful given the investment.

    Don't think he's one of the best in the world. He's been decent this season in the Prem nothing amazing. Wouldn't be in the team of the season so far or even close, not to mention other leagues. One thing to look good in Italy, but Italy is not a particularly good league anymore.

    Think it's called a Giroud, that happened quicker than I thought.
     
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    Given that Spurs played a back 3 today, not so hopeful they're going to stop Chelsea's run. Best off exploiting the weaknesses of that formation than trying to match the team that have it down to a T.
     
  9. It's a massive step down from some of the Ferguson years. Not that I want controversial situations that we benefited from again but then refs should stop kissing teams like Bayern, Juventus, Barcelona and Real in the @$$. That stuff might have played a part in those leagues being one-sided recently. EPL refs today aren't great either but at least their mistakes are well spread across most clubs. :D

    City edged the race for the 4th spot on goal difference. But almost everyone sucked in that one. Now Chelsea and Liverpool are much better, City are better, Arsenal and Tottenham are about the same. Not taking advantage of a rubbish competition last season and being rubbish yourself while being a fail in Europe as well is probably unforgivable. That's probably what the club thought which is why the FA Cup wasn't enough to save LvG's job. In this season with tougher competition the club has played clearly better and already had better runs of form than any they had in the last season. That's why I think Mourinho's job is safe. But once again I am confident of a top 4 finish and very good results in the other competitions.

    Liverpool have surely improved on the last season. This season's top 6 is established, now we just have to wait to see what's the order.
     
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    Everyone had 20-30% possession against Pep's Barcelona, it's all a question of how they used it. Real, Milan clubs and Chelsea did the best job. To my surprise Manchester United didn't cope well, especially considering they loved the biggest stage. As for them this season, that Arsenal game was one of the unlucky results I was talking about. The league derby had contrasting halves with City dominating the first one a bit more. It's a bit harsh calling that cup line-up reserves. Not sure if my memory is good but it also became quite stronger after the changes. I have seen a clear improvement as I am no longer being bored watching Man United games. Quite ironic since Mourinho is the new coach but it's a much more direct team, creating more chances, not being passive and just playing it safe. The wastefulness might be lack of luck but I get the feeling that karma has reached Mourinho as well.

    In 2016 he probably hasn't been. But he made the best starting line-up of 2015 and was the only Serie A player to feature in it. In the last Serie A season he was in the team of the season. Italian league hasn't declined that much, the Milan clubs are in a slump but others have taken their place.
     
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    Seriously guys, there are other clubs. :D

    Pity other leagues have a winter break.
     
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    Only somebody with hate in their heart can claim that United have not made improvement.

    But yeah, somebody must see Jose Mourinho under their bed at night.
     
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    We need some Stoke and Bournemouth fans in here.

    The Spurs inferiority complex will be enough to ensure defeat, no matter what formation they will use.
     
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    Meanwhile on social media, Kroos poked the Brazilians and Ronaldo responded. :D

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    That Collina face though...
     
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    Not often that we have a ref as cover star for a football game. Collina had it twice on pro evo 3 and 4. Pretty amazing.

    Guess they missed the Howard Webb opportunity now that he has retired.
     
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    All the top sides get more controversial decisions in their favour than against. It's been that way for a long time. With Fergie intimidating the referees it was even more so for his United sides, now you're just along with the general top side bias that we all have but it's not good enough for you apparently.

    True, last season was quite poor from the top sides, Leicester being able to win the League is of course evidence of that, but compared to the season before, Van Gael's first season Man Utd finished with 70 points. If the second half of the season mirrors the fist half that'll mean 72 points for Man Utd this season. More or less the same. Yes I imagine they did think it unacceptable, lets face it, spending around two or three hundred million in two seasons and barely improving is pretty embarrassing, as is barely improving from spending 150 million in one season which is the situation you have here. Don't see top four myself, but I think a cup run or two is certainly possible. A League cup final already so obviously that's a chance and the Europa League doesn't look that strong a line up this year so a possible double of those two is certainly possible, but it's nothing to write home about given what's been spent over recent years. But might be enough to save a top fourless Mourinho's job.

    That's a bit of an exaggeration. Of course they did and do dominate possession against nearly every side, but there's a hell of a difference between 40 and 20.
    On the derby games - first half was domination, and second half Man City still the better side, not under too much threat. In the cup it was predominantly reserves, or fringe players if you prefer, probably a team good enough to beat a number or premier league teams, but a long way from their strongest 11. Certainly is some improvement from Manchester United but not great deal. Not 150 million worth of improvement, and it's Mourinho so if it doesn't happen this season or next season, it isn't going to happen. It didn't happen in his best years so it won't happen now.

    Italian league football hasn't been the same since the match fixing scandal. It is not a great league anymore. Not doubting that he's a talented player though, clearly he is but a 90 million midfielder should be the best in the League. He isn't even close to being it, he's not even Man Utd's best midfielder.
     
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    Slightly improvements sure, but it's marginal. You spend the money Man U have, while not selling anyone of note and you should be mounting a title challenge at the very least. Not a slightly improved team finishing between 4th and 6th. Maybe he'll turn it round and win 15 games in a row or something and win the league, but somehow I doubt it.

    Not enough football fans I suppose. There's probably only about 6 people who frequent this thread regularly. Would be nice to have a broader selection of fans but we probably not getting them any time soon.

    Possibly, although they've started to improve though from their sketchy form, admittedly not playing very good teams (Southampton aside) and their beating of City earlier in the season and the first half against Chelsea shows they have it in them. Definitely a bit fragile mentally though that side, I do fear you might be right, especially with the probable matching the back 3.

    Everyone loved Collina the one referee who didn't get masses of abuse and probable death threats. Just a really good referee I suppose.

    Howard Webb certainly didn't have that love, although bit of a cult hero for Manchester United of course.
     
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    lol I'm surprised you don't call United 'Manure'. I remember this guy on a wrestling forum. He was a Leeds fan so you can imagine.

    Who is United's best midfielder?

    I just don't think it is that simple. A title challenge was the expectation and even I was hoping for it. Just because we are not challenging for the title, it doesn't mean Mourinho out. We haven't sold anybody of note, but our team wasn't very good and having to play a certain style for 2 seasons. Yeah, I might just be talking the same **** as Mourinho. It does come down to where we are at the end.

    I've probably said this before and I'm going into football manager talk again, but you know how you have to click on season expectations when your budget is being set? I can picture something like that with Mourinho. Get United sorted out this season and be real contenders next season, at the very worst.

    I'm hoping for a Spurs win. Draw at best is what I see for Spurs.
     
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    Yeah Spurs will get a result, no chance in hell they fall twice in the 14 game winning record.

    Kind of like last year when Chelsea were awful, you just knew they would get a result against Spurs to hand Leicester the title.

    I see Chelsea are favourites to land Van Dijk. Good player and he'll make us better, but I can't help thinking we need a central midfielder, wide player and back up striker with experience.

    Pedro, Hazard and Willian are fantastic, but they have to play every single game. No margin for error with suspensions or injuries when you lack the numbers at a position. Same for striker, Costa misses a game and Batshuayi isn't deemed good enough to be a fill in. Those are more concerning issues than CB.
     
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    Happy New year lads! :D

    Expecting a tough one later today with it being less than 48 hours after the City game. Fingers crossed we manage to grind out a win (or smash them, I don't care) and put some pressure on Chelsea.
     
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  21. More decisions went against us than in our favor this season. It's less frustrating to see that than seeing some other big clubs getting arguably more protection than ever and honestly I am a fan of one of those clubs I mentioned before as well. You are exaggerating yourself with Ferguson running the FA, putting Fellaini on Costa's level of behavior and criticism of some other players but I usually try to ignore that. Don't want to run in circles like we have done regarding Mourinho's managing skills some time ago.

    I think the reason people believe top 4 is a must for Mourinho is that both him and the club have changed recently. Mou has had his first really poor season last year and got sacked while since Sir Alex left Man United are less patient with the new managers. But neither will allow a quick separation to happen, the club will be aware of the improvements and Mourinho will continue to work hard with the team. Only some long winless run lasting for over a month is danger for him IMO and that's not going to happen. We shall see.
     
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    I think you are being a bit harsh on Serie A.

    Who is their best midfielder?
     
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    Fellaini :p

    Unbelievable, Jeff.
     
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    Jose showing the special one talent to make the right subs. Mata with a good finish.

    Terrible game up to now.
     
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    haha typical isn't it. Never a red card on Feghouli, not even a yellow that. bear in mind it's Mike dean the same ref who didn't send Barkley off for his disgusting tackle on Hendo. Why am I not surprised in the slightest?

    15th January can't come soon enough.
     
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    Another offside goal given to United.
     
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    You asked for it Emperor. That red for Feghouli was harsh and Ibra scored an offside goal. :D

    6 in a row now. Looking forward to the FA Cup match vs Reading on Christmas, semifinal 1st leg vs Hull and of course the derby.
     
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  30. Call me when there is a penalty. :D

    When everything is said and done, De Gea will have at least a 2 hour compilation of epic saves. Every day he produces another.
     
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    The winning habit. Want to look at the LVG vs Jose stats now. United 6 points better off than this time last season.

    Good stuff with the super subs today.

    Agree with Gary Neville. The match with Heavy Metal Liverpool will show where we are really at.
     
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    Spanish football finally returns tomorrow! :) Several promising ties in the last 16 stages of Copa del Rey in the next two days.
     
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    Against West Ham of all teams, now that is a team that isn't getting the luck. The spoiled sense of entitlement to think Man Utd have been unlucky...

    That's a bit juvenile for me, not my style.

    At the moment? Probably Carrick, which is mental. Herrera's a good player too. Think Mikey Tea is an excellent player but he's barely played, just don't see too much from Pogba to suggest he's the class of player that many thought he was before the season. He is still young of course but talking right now, he's doesn't look particularly special to me.

    The team had lots of quality in it already, they stagnated in performances but there were plenty of good players in there, with no signings this summer nobody would expect them to finish any lower than sixth at the very worst. 150 million is a huge amount. While we can argue about the merits of Pogba, to spend 90 million on a player like him is crazy, and if the squad's as bad as it supposedly was then spending the money more shrewdly on a few more players would surely be smarter, and that's what he wanted. On the Footy manager thing, I imagine if that were the case the minimum would be top 4. With a couple of cups, especially if one of them is the Europa League and therefore gaining Champions League qualification, it may keep the wolf from the door, but it's still wouldn't be a success, and many would say a failure.

    Think Spurs have got a win in them in that kind of match. They'll be so up for it and at home. They are capable of the big result as they showed against City when they were flying earlier in the season. I do worry if they do what so many teams have tried and failed miserably at, which is matching Chelsea's formation. But obviously if they do that and win, I'll happily eat my words.
     
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    Stoke were the latest team to match the system, most people seem to be saying it was a success as they scored twice. In reality though Chelsea could of had 6 pretty easily, whilst their goals came directly from Crouch winning the ball in the air and knocking it down. Very little to do with the system.

    I agree with you though, Spurs will come out of Wednesday's game with something. Luckily Liverpool had a slip today so it shouldn't be too costly for us.
     
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    Double post, whoops.
     
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    Must say I enjoyed that Pep interview after the Burnley game. ****ing weird.

    Yeah exactly, even remember on Match of the Day one of the pundits saying they were the first team to match the system. Wonder if they've been watching football this season to be honest. You're right though I don't think Stoke playing decent against you was due to that. But unlike Spurs it's a system they've played quite a bit, I saw Spurs played it against Watford I imagine in preparation to do that against Chelsea which I think is stupid, we shall see though, maybe they just wanted to match Watford's back three but I don't think Watford (especially in current form) are a team you change your way of playing for so I have to assume that's the plan, which makes me less confident of Spurs getting something tomorrow.

    Indeed one of the most irritating games I've watched for a long time, feels like a loss. Still if Spurs can beat you then that's one point made up at least.
     
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    Looks like Pep will finish his coaching career before Totti finishes his playing career and there is only five year difference between them.
     
  38. Looks like he made a mistake with moving from Bayernliga to Premier League straight away. Pretty much nobody is going to bend over here, not even to the sides that have spent a fortune.
    West Ham are unlucky but still not the champion of the wrong decisions. :p

    Ask the gentleman below for more details.

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    Yeah, the Pep interview was strange. Making a point in his way, I guess.
    I was thinking you would say Herrera, although Carrick has been praised by (almost) everybody this season. It is working with him in the team and I also consider it a bit mental. Can't argue against the results. Put in CB for a while yesterday. Be the last thing you need, getting injured defending some long ball.

    Getting to the spoiled for choice range in attack, even if I'm not sure about the no.9 after Ibra. It would be Martial for me. United will probably open the cheque book again. Lot of attacking options and the subs yesterday showed that. Good that Rashford made an impact after not doing much recently.

    Yeah, there are choices for cup runs and so on in football manager. Being outside the champions league spots is a disappointment. Finishing 6th would definitely be considered a disappointment considering the improvement they have made recently.

    Feels like the perfect time for the Chelsea winning run to end against a rival like Spurs. Like Jose Mourinho said in hits post match interview, the best thing is one of them will lose points. I want Chelsea to lose and then we gain more ground on everybody considering everybody has had a hiccup or 2 except Chelsea.
     
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    Yeah I think Everton were the first to try it, pretty early on in the run. Middlesbrough did, West Brom and a few others. Stoke had a bit of success pinging balls into Crouch, I think they would actually of been better off doing that and sticking to their own system personally, trying to match it was what ended up costing them defensively in the end.

    I agree, I think Spurs really need to just play their own way. Chelsea have been playing it for a long time now, they're comfortable with it and it fits the players perfectly. Any side trying to match that is going to come off second best more often than not. teams need to worry more about themselves than what the opposition is doing I think.
     
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    Poor Arsenal title challenge crumbles once more.
     
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    Good comeback though.
     
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    How are these clowns still ahead of us in the table is a mystery.
     
  44. Easy. Arsenal score 2 goals from 1 chance. Man United score 1 goal from 10 chances. Sucks but eventually that stops for everyone.
     
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    That red for Bournemouth seemed harsh just like the one for West Ham yesterday.

    Always love seeing a high scoring game and Premier League really offers that.

    Meanwhile, Koke Griezmann score in Atletico Madrid's 2-0 away win against Las Palmas, Copa del Rey last 16. Valencia lose 4-1 at home to Celta.
     
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    That's no gentleman. I just see a petulant child.

    You are absolutely deluded to the highest degree if you think Man Utd are the champion of bad decisions. The weaker sides always get less, the big sides get the rub of the green more often than not and Manchester United are certainly no different.

    Found it hilarious to be honest, just so ****ing weird.

    To be fair I think Stoke have played 3 at the back a fair bit this season. Bit of four and a bit of 3 at the back. Not really sure how successful they have been with either formation but they have played it a quite a bit. A few teams have been trying it out after seeing how well Chelsea have done it. City did it for a while and looked terrible with it I thought could not understand why they persisted with it for as long as they did.

    More points, better team, better manager.

    Translation = Arsenal take their chances. Man Utd waste them.
     
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    Gap isn't that much now. Only 2 points after tonight.
     
  48. Take a chill pill man, I was just quoting the manager's words at the most recent post match interview/conference. If you ever see me call Wenger a specialist in failure or something else controversial, be certain that's not what I think.
    Exactly.
     
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    Really? No way! :eek:
    Okay. :D
     
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    Big game today, hopefully Spurs finish higher than 3rd place in it.
     

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