Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Ross K, Aug 10, 2008.
Over to you, Spurs
Paul Pogba will miss the Manchester derby.
Amazing tribute to Leo tonight before our game against Osasuna. He scored nice two goals in a 7-1 win. Gomes and Alcacer got two as well while Mascherano will definitely remember this game. Playing for Barcelona since 2010, he couldn't score a single goal, until tonight. Nice gesture from the teammates to allow him to take the penalty.
Eriksen keeps the challenge alive.
Great win for them. There's so much resting on Sunday now. Chelsea go to Everton, Spurs have Arsenal at home. If the gap is 4 points or greater still, it's pretty much over with Chelsea having a very easy final 4 games. Down to 3 or 1 points though? Squeaky bum time.
I see Chelsea won their 4th FA Youth Cup in a row tonight too, using the same formation as the first team. I've always thought that was so important and surprised more teams don't do it. Barcelona have their way that's taught through all age groups, it's one of the reasons Germany rose from the bottom after 2000.. Who knows if it'll work for Chelsea, but it's surely got to help.
It had all the makings of 0-0 or Palace sneaking it, but not tonight. The neutrals want Chelsea to continue to suck away to Everton. Their record is not that great, right? Everton are getting the results at home as well. Might be time for Chelsea to put things right and a thumping win. I'm hoping for Spurs and Everton, obviously.
That is interesting to me. We see how far England are behind in terms of the national team and teams in the champions league later stage. I have this mate from France and he was telling me how people in France don't see England as a force anymore. He was kind of shocked at how far you're fallen. Not that you were winning tournaments, but we've talked before about euro 96 and so on. England were a force.
Meanwhile, a fun semifinal in the DFB Pokal (German cup) between Bayern and Dortmund.
Two lead changes in the match and Dortmund knocked out Bayern, very fun. The Bavarians could have finished them off while leading 2-1, Bender's incredible clearance standing out, check out around 7 minutes.
The black and yellow are now the first team to reach four DFB Pokal finals in a row. Unfortunately they lost the previous three (two to Bayern and one to Wolfsburg), they will play Eintracht Frankfurt this time. Come on BVB!
In France, PSG crushed Monaco 5-0 in their cup semifinal. That means Juventus are now the only remaining team who have a shot at the Treble this season. What a turnaround that would be for them after playing Serie B like a decade ago. Almost want to root for them, mostly for Buffon's sake.
Yeah Spurs and Everton will definitely be the neutrals pick, understandably so. It wouldn't be a huge shock if Everton won, Goodison is one of the toughest places to go and they're having a wonderful season. Likewise Arsenal probably have half an eye on the FA Cup final (although seeing Spurs win the title is pretty good incentive for them not to bottle it). I think things will look a lot different after Sunday, one way or another.
Oh yeah England are essentially irrelevant on the international stage, the Premier League is probably the most entertaining league and still a massive draw for players, but the national team still plays like its 1994 when they get together.
As I mentioned, Germany had that around 2000 when they were at a cross roads. The things they put in place then lead to them winning the World Cup in 2014 (a way of playing and a system throughout all age groups being one of the ways). After their first young group to come through took the World Cup in 2010 by storm (destroying England along the way), all the newspapers looked at how they achieved it and hoped England would do something similar, but 7 years later, not much has changed. I'm not sure it ever will, but still, I'm glad to see Chelsea have taken the route. If we're going to get young players to come through, being able to play the system with your eyes closed certainly makes things easier!
Late post but I thought this man deserved a tribute.
Two days ago, Johan Cruyff would have turned 70.
That's when one of his former clubs Ajax, where he emerged, decided to change the name of their stadium. It's no longer Amsterdam Arena, but Johan Cruijff Arena.
He was a cigarette and football addict. Cigarettes killed him, football made him immortal.
What's your opinion on Liverpool's kit for next season?
Looks incredible imo. Always preferred Liverpool in that red and it's very simple and classy.
Kinda glad I didn't see the derby even though the end result wasn't too bad. Pity Fellaini's suspension doesn't apply for the Europa League games as well.
City had all the possession and United hit some hopeless long balls for Rashford to chase. Pretty much what I was expecting. Missed Pogba and a link from midfield to attack. Pretty rubbish game. No awe-inspiring moments, but some awe-inspiring stupidity from Fellaini.
Boring game. No prize for guessing whose negative approach contributed the most to that.
If you take four points from your visits to Arsenal and Tottenham, I think you have a really good shot at top 4. After all you don't have to rely on other results yet even with this draw.
One of our longest ever unbeaten runs in the Premier League, half a year since the last loss, and we aren't in the top 4 yet. Damn those frustrating home draws. Those simply must not happen next time.
Pity Chelsea don't play any of the top 4 contenders anymore, taking some points away from our competitors would have been nice.
The competitors will lose points elsewhere. Of course, so will we. haha
I'm confident enough we will get there.
Respect from John Cena. That is when you know you've made it.
You triggered the beast, watch him now score the winning goals both in the semi and the final.
As for the unbeaten run, Man United just equaled their best ever run in a single season. Avoiding defeat at home to Swansea would set a new club record of 25. Unfortunately it might not mean much in the grand scheme of things this season but it's certainly impressive to go on for so long without losing any games. 7 losses so far this season in all competitions with over 50 games played isn't bad at all IMO.
Good for the stat men, I guess. Meh. Not exactly Arsenal style magnificence.
Points win prizes and we are lacking. And that's the bottom line because stone cold said so.
The beast is not going to get on again.
Nice stats for sure but dear God most of those numerous draws were more painful and disgusting than the actual losses.
I can't be too upset because of the improvements made. Still a chance to get into a European final. Gary Neville kept going on about resilience and I can see that. Like Jose teams, we've become hard to beat, those stats will tell you. Now that Jose will have the season under his belt it will time to expect a title challenge next season. Even if I was expecting one this season, but that was hope more than anything.
A lot of people expected the title challenge this season already, it wasn't just the supporters hoping. Unfortunately the improvements made don't fully reflect in the results. Oh well, hopefully Mou's tradition of having a successful second season with the clubs continues.
He could assemble something very powerful next season but I would already consider the current one successful if you win the Europa League. That, plus one of the cups, plus that shield which is your supercup, and the longest unbeaten run in all top leagues. Not everything is so dark. The expectations will always be high since Manchester United are a huge club but even those will go through bad or less impressive periods at some point in time.
I watched a bit of the post-match talk that had Lampard, Henry and Neville. Frank made some comparisons with Mourinho's 2nd period at Chelsea and talked how the first focus was getting the defense organized especially with the lack of options in attack. Long ball, defend, repeat. Back then he orchestrated those dull games, most notably the goalless draw in the semifinal 1st leg against Atletico and that game at Anfield that denied Liverpool the title. He did something similar this season when visiting Liverpool and City and got a point in both. Next season the target will be going for all three when the squad gets upgraded. Even though the defense is solid he will probably strengthen all areas. When it comes to attackers it's Griezmann, Morata and James who were recently mentioned in the rumors. Considering the club will always attract big names, I wouldn't be surprised at all if one of these comes this summer.
With a lot of games this season and the team suffering several injuries, playing to just avoid defeat in some games isn't the worst approach. But in the long term it would be really bad for Manchester United, especially considering they were one of the most attacking and fluid teams back when Sir Alex was the manager. Got to get back to those days.
Yeah looks pretty nice definitely one of the better of these Warrior kits.
They'll need a new manager then. Leopard's don't have a habit of changing their spots.
True. He will probably need a force like he had in Real in order to entertain the idea of a more attacking approach more. We'll see, both him and Pep will have a point to prove next season after not being in the title race in this one.
The whole idea of playing away and aiming for a point against a chief rival. There can be no problems as long as United accumulate enough points elsewhere. But yeah, fully in agreement, anybody that is expecting Jose to go all out attack or even aim for a win against the big boys are dreaming. No matter if United have a Phil Neville dream team to select from. Jose is never going to do that.
Very interested to see how City respond next year.
Also, Slice'n'dice. How is your addiction coming along? Been able to wean yourself off it any? I'm back in the game. Can't really believe how my current season has ended up. I got knocked out of champions league, finished group stage third and went into Europa. Lost QF away 3-1 (Sporting) and lost semi away 4-1. (Dortmund) Turned them both around at the fortress San Siro. Won the final pretty convincingly.
Didn't make one signing this season. It was a sort of challenge to myself. Certain results told me I needed to upgrade the squad during the season, but I didn't make any in January. Carried on and managed to overtake Juventus and Atalanta. It all came down to the final day. All 3 of us having a chance to win the title. All I needed was a point and I was at home. phew. Beat Fiorentina 1-0 with a Kean goal. You've probably seen him in the game. One of the hottest young studs. Great scenes. No bans on transfer this time. I will take another break for a week or so and get ready to challenge on all fronts again. I have made Milan rich again. I had 5 million to spend in season 1 and now they offer me up to 150 million.
Meanwhile, to the shock of nobody. Celtic are kicking Rangers ass.
City are an interesting one. Guardiola is very set on his philosophy, the Barcelona way if you like. They'll probably bring in defenders who are more suited to it next season, but even so, I'm not sure it'll get the same results over 38 games in England.
I remember when Barcelona were at their peak and they always had a tough time of things with Chelsea in Europe, who were strong and physical. The Premier League is full of teams like that (even if they don't have the same quality). Will they ever be able to play the Guardiola way consistently? I'm not so sure.
They could do well in Europe though, maybe that's what the owners want.
Very important win against Valencia today. Could have easily gone 2-0 up but missed several opportunities, including a penalty from Ronaldo. They leveled in the 81st minute but Marcelo's great strike won the game. Valencia's goalkeeper is insane btw, that's his 5th penalty save from 10 penalties he faced this season. In his entire La Liga career he has around 50% saving success, denying 20+ out of 40+.
We have a first official winner of the biggest leagues. Bayern have won a 27th Bundesliga and their 5th in a row, both records. Carlo Ancelotti only has four league titles in his managing career, but he has won in four different countries. Shame he missed out on it in Spain, the only place where he failed to be the domestic champion. Happy to see him and his team celebrating after they got screwed in Europe.
Not a pretty 3-0 win but the squad did the job against Espanyol. Can't see Real slipping in the remaining games. Our rivals showed higher quality in some of the previous seasons and we still managed to beat to titles but we might only end up with the cup now. Even when the only consistent player in the team is Messi, the season isn't likely to be successful. The last 10-12 years have spoiled the Blaugrana probably, but this season should be a wake up call. The rest of the guys need to step up and we need some quality reinforcements. Whether it's from La Masia or transfers I don't care much right now. Neither one of the La Liga giants wants to be inferior even for a year and it would feel really ugly for me personally if Real got both the domestic and continental throne in this one. Not just because they are our sworn enemies, but because many times they simply didn't look convincing, and of course because of that circus against Bayern.
That's what I'm interested in. The pundits keep talking about an ageing team and not enough time to leave his mark. That is all fair, even if there is no time to get things right in the world of today. The woman on Sunday supplement was talking the other week and she said what else has Pep done apart from turn the greatest premier league player ( Aguero) into a lamer? She didn't use those words exactly, but you catch my drift.
Of course, not all situations are the same. Conte has come in and been successful in his first season. Pep can show if he has the makings of a successful premier league boss next season. Make sure everybody is on board with his philosophy and some signings. Needs a new keeper desperately.
I will watch every Real game now till the end of the season. Gonn' be pissed if they give up the league after that abhorrent defeat in el clasico and then don't even nail the CL.
I expect Juve to win the CL anyway.
That would actually be a beautiful sign that there is some justice in this world after all...
Should have saved the meltdown for the end of May in case Real win the double, now that you've been letting it all out throughout the entire season, that potential injustice could be fatal.
Aguero has had a pretty good season for someone who's lost it but I get what she's saying. I think Guardiola's inability to adapt has been what's cost him. They keep getting beaten the same way, making the same mistakes etc.. He doesn't have the players to play the way they're doing, so why do it?
A manager should squeeze every bit of talent out of his players, work with what he has and put them in the best conditions to succeed. Sending them out every week like he does means they're on a hiding to nothing.
You mention Conte, who has got it right. He gave the players the chance to show last year was a fluke by essentially playing the same style and system they've been used to for the first 2 months of the season.. It was every bit as bad as last year, so then he changed it. I'm not sure it would of worked if he came in like a bull in a china shop from day one and tried to change it all. His favourite formation is actually 3-5-2 with two strikers, but we don't have the players to play that (too short in midfield and nobody to play with Costa), so he hasn't played it. Instead he's found a way to get Hazard slightly more central and not have to do as much defensive work. Essentially making the best of what he has to work with as a manager, which is how it should be imo.
Disgusting by Rashford. Of course that ***** Swarbrick fell for it.
Mourinho cast his evil spell on Rashford early in the boy's career. Not cool.
Morons. All of them. Should have gone empty handed completely.
Now let's see our under 18s in the Europa League.
So much for a club record unbeaten run, that could well be top 4 and Europa both gone in one game.
HAHA! Sigurdsson you beauty.
25 down, 25 (draws) to go and Invincibles are history.
It all evens out.
Lifeless from United. If anyone should have won the game it should have been Swansea.
Seriously, all these games are killing them. They should really consider going all out on the Europa League and taking it easy in the league. They are more likely to go back to 6th than to finish top 4 now with their recent performance and upcoming schedule. Playing every fourth or fifth day on average is damaging when you are in a more physical league.
Losing Bailly would be awful. Rojo is done for the season while Smalling is a question mark. Luckily we are getting back some options in attack. Pogba will return on Thursday while Mata was on the bench today.
Meanwhile, Middlesbrough lead 1-0 against City at half time.
I still think in the end that his do or die approach could be helped by having a decent goalkeeper. There is a Benny Hill video out there that has some of Joe Hart's gaffes. There has to be an extended version for Bravo and Caballero. Might look for it later.
Do agree that Sunday supplement woman was over the top, even if it was said during that period he wasn't scoring.
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