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  1. TheAssassin

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    It could be a wonderful final IMO. Real looking to end that curse, win La Duodecima and (if they don't choke in Spain) their first league-Champions League double since 1958, Juventus going for their first Champions League since 1996 and possibly their first ever treble (they will seal Serie A and then play Coppa Italia final against Lazio).

    What would I give for the European Super Cup to be between Real and Man United. Going to be played in Skopje and that is one of the vacation/honeymoon locations for me this summer. Haven't attended any competitive game from either club yet so this would be brilliant.
     
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    I'm just hoping Juventus don't bend over in the final. Don't think they will, but Real are just that good.
     
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    I see similarities between Juve's run and the one of Arsenal back in 2005-06. The Gunners only conceded two goals in the competition going into the final and none in the knockout stages. Juventus so far have conceded only two goals and still none in the knockout stages. Juve's run without conceding is shorter but maybe more impressive since they held MSN and Barcelona in both games and Monaco, the team who has over 100 goals this season, more than anyone else, at Monaco's ground. It would be the ultimate test to deny Madrid, the team that nobody kept a clean sheet against this season. I am sure Juve won't bend over or anything but past history of the clubs doesn't make me optimistic. Plus offside rules don't apply for Real so that's another thing Juve has to worry about. :p

    Don't jinx it, I am having ideas about it since Skopje isn't too far from my city.
     
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    So Juventus against Real Madrid. Should be a pretty good final in truth. Backing Juve all the way though.

    I don't rate mid-table Spanish teams as indicator of a strong line up for a European Semi-Final. Nor do I think a team of kids from what is now a pretty poor league no matter how technically good some of the players are, are strong finalists. Frankly a team in fourth place in another fairly poor quality of League being another one. Everyone but Man Utd fans can see that this is not a great standard of semi-finals.

    You got lucky, just accept it and enjoy it.

    Oh no doubt he's a horrible *******. He's a terrific player though. Having nasty players is not necessarily a bad thing anyway, it's quite useful actually, you've had your fair share in the past. One of the problems I have with the current Liverpool team is they are a bit too nice. A few more pricks would be helpful.
     
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    Herrera is a great pr1ck. :p
     
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    Totally agree, but I don't think that will stop them this summer. They seem to be after some combination of De Gea, Mbappe, Hazard and pretty much any other big name player going.

    I could understand a new keeper, maybe a striker as Benzema looks like he might leave.
     
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    Yeah, that's Real, only going for the best players. Mbappe replacing Benzema would be epic, that kid has crazy potential. Personally I'd like De Gea and Hazard to stay, they are one of the biggest EPL stars and now that league needs more of them, not less. It just wouldn't be good if all the best quality is in only 3-4 clubs in Europe. Biggest competitions could become monotonous in the future for that reason and nobody wants that.

    :D

    When you think about it, Pogba (and Manchester United) will be trolled pretty hard if Juventus win the Champions League less than a year after he left, and winning Europa League wouldn't make it any easier. Some of his Facebook posts have trolling pics from Juve supporters in the comments. The EL logo dabbing made me laugh when I first saw it.

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    It's not the Champions League, it's the Europa League. You have to lower the standards. Fourth in France is the highest place for EL qualification, any higher and you're going to CL. After all, Lyon descended from CL group stages to here, while the French league leaders played a CL semifinal tonight. Better continental contribution this year than Germany, as well as Italy and England (unless Juve and Man United respectively go all the way, then it's not). I do think it would have looked better if there was Bilbao instead of Celta and Roma/Tottenham instead of Ajax (even though there are some compliments I can give to Celta and Ajax :D) so in that sense the draw turned out easier than it could have been. But this is a second tier competition. Second tier teams from best leagues and best teams from second tier leagues are here, sometimes combined with some huge team that underachieved and ended up playing on Thursdays as a punishment. More variety, more unpredictability. Can you answer this, would you have called the draw weak if there were teams like Benfica, Porto, Sporting, Shakhtar, PSV, Basel or Fener in these last few stages (semi/quarter) instead of the ones that have been there this season (Schalke, Anderlecht, Besiktas, Ajax, Lyon, Celta, Genk)?

    I totally admit there is a part of me that might be trying to make it sound like Manchester have a tougher task than they really do and that there is easily an excuse for not winning it, but it's not a formality either. This is 90% Manchester United's fault for hardly ever giving confidence though. A trophy and a half and a long unbeaten run in the league are probably the only positives. Comical wastefulness and now injury issues means it's getting quite complicated. Do you have a prediction for the 1st leg played in Celta since we've been talking about EL many times now?
     
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    Yeah I could see Mbappe at Real Madrid. It would be a shame to not see him develop a bit more first, but he fits the high profile signing and it's a huge upgrade over Morata, so it does make some sense.

    I'm not really sure where the Hazard rumours come from. He's a quiet family man and seems to be enjoying himself on and off the pitch in England, in contrast to Costa (and Courtois) who both seem to miss the Madrid social circles. Wouldn't be a huge shock to see both of them leave this summer, although a return to either Madrid side looks unlikely for Costa.
     
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    Another reason to want Juve to win the CL other than stopping RM is for the legend that is Gigi Buffon to finally get his hands on this trophy. That would complete his set of career achievements nicely.

    Their 2-6 record in European Cup/CL finals sticks out, losing their last 4 finals, while RM have won their last 7 major European finals. A club the size of Juve, who have been so dominant historically in a world class league Serie A, only winning the CL twice in their history just isn't right.
     
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    Speaking of the Europa League, it's interesting that Serie A and Bundesliga clubs have such a bad record in the competition.

    No Bundesliga club has won the competition since Schalke back in 1997. Since then their only finalists have been Dortmund in 2002 (CL dropouts after finishing 3rd in their group behind Boavista) and Werder Bremen in 2009 (also CL dropouts after finishing 3rd in their group behind Panathinaikos.

    They haven't even had any semi-finalists in the competition since 2010.

    And no Serie A team has even reached the final of the competition since Parma won it back in 1999. Previously Serie A clubs were very dismissive of this competition to the extent that even clubs like Sampdoria or Palermo would field weakened teams in it. However that resulted in them losing their 4th champions league place to the Bundesliga in 2011.
     
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    Of course, but you just look at recent years and the quality of teams if world's apart from this year. Bayern were robbed to be fair so maybe France wouldn't have better European achievements had that not happened. But regardless, obviously teams like Ajax are a huge club with great history and still evidently a very good youth system but for European finalists, even second tier. They shouldn't be anywhere near these days. Even going back to the early stages last 32 and what not, the teams remaining looked considerably weaker and obviously the bigger sides losing early meant it looks very weak now.

    Yeah well to be honest I cant really blame you, if you talk about something like it's going to be a walk in the park and you fail it seems worse. But I wouldn't really worry about it.

    Dunno about the score but Iago Aspas is going to score directly from a corner.
     
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    Seems a little soon for me, usually they sign the finished article in my experience, would he be good enough to get into the team now? Great talent obviously but don't see why he should be in a rush to leave Monaco.

    If Mourinho was there I think any team registering an interest in him would be taken seriously, he really did not seem to like Mourinho one bit. Madrid is a huge draw for any player though, quiet family man or not, the biggest club in the world think the majority of players would at least be tempted.

    Yeah would like Buffon to get it, legendary keeper that he is would be quite fitting for him to complete the set.
     
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    Ready to smash Celta Vigo over 2 legs. Hell yeah. :cool:
     
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    I'm predicting a draw for tonight.

    lol at those Pogba pictures. Cracker. I've been thinking about that for a while now. Pobga holding Juventus back. Nah. I really hope they give Real a match. Think I'd prefer Juventus to win, but not really diehard supporting them. Crazy, I think back to when Juventus won the champions league during my life. Actually, both wins are during my life. Too young to remember the first. I just figured Buffon was part of the team in 1996 since he has been there so long. Yeah, he is not quite that old. It was probably Peruzzi now that I think about it. Anyway, whatever. Ramble over.

    GGMU.
     
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    Random note. Forgetting my negotiating skills, I sold Jesse Lingard for 10 million to Newcastle in my first season. Martial was just offered a new 200k a week contract and given key player status. Aww well.

    Moral of the story. I prefer Martial and wish he started tonight.

    Mon Jesse.
     
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    Good job. Away win and it didn't look like we spent much energy. Stockholm on the horizon, hopefully there will be no complications at home.
     
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    A brilliant performance tonight. Could have been more goals, but out of there with the away goal and no goal conceded.
     
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    Celta didn't play their strongest line-up in the last few La Liga games, the only reason for that to me is that they were preparing for the Europa League. I expected a better showing from them because of that, fresh starters against a spent Man United. Fair play to them for a solid defensive organization, Celta didn't have any huge opportunities at all. The game was also fair an clean which is always nice to see on the big stages.
     
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    I honestly thought that us winning tonight was the only one of the three outcomes that had no chance of happening. Missing great chances (as usual) in the first half was a bad sign, nice to see the guys prove me wrong. Hopefully we can beat Arsenal but all the draws will surely make the team focus on the Europa League from now on.

    Excellent defense. Don't know if it's the Mourinho effect or not but it was enjoyable seeing Celta totally without ideas in front of goal.

    But what I really noticed is that Pogba had of the best performances in the red shirt tonight. He should have realized earlier that fast passing forward is always better than slowing things down and trying to go alone against several players, would have saved him from a lot of criticism. Rashford is a pearl, has potential for great things. And luckily he is a youth product and English so there is far less chance that he will leave for any big guys outside the country. Fellaini though... dear God. He is still in the squad while 80% of Fergie's players have left, while guys like Di Maria, Falcao and Schweinsteiger came and already left. A real mystery.
     
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    Browsing through the comments of my local sports site.

    "If there is a Guinness World Record for wasted goal opportunities, Manchester United doubled it this season"

    Sums everything up really. If I had just one minute with the players and coaches I would have spent it on asking what the hell do they work on in training when opportunities keep getting wasted in matches.

    All will be forgiven if the trophy is won though, I guess...
     
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    George Weah's 'cousin' must be part of the United attacking and shooting training staff. No other explanation. :p
     
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    I love how they were standing over the free kick and Rashford is like ''stand back, Daley. This is mine'' It filled me with confidence and put me in my place after I was laughing at another one of his failed corner attempts earlier on. It was great.

    Woot.
     
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    It was a shame that Celta Vigo's form has gone down the pan in the league over the past few months, and that they couldn't put in a better performance yesterday. A very professional and confident performance from Man Utd though, and they should have won far more convincingly. As I said before if they go on to win this trophy, they'll have won more major trophies this season alone than Spurs have won in the last 18 seasons and Liverpool have have won in the last 11 seasons, and the same number as Arsenal in the last 12 seasons if they lose to Chelsea in the FA Cup final (I don't count community shield wins).

    Celta are the 6th different La Liga club to have reached the semi-finals of this competition over the past 8 seasons (or this decade) which is hugely impressive.
     
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    Not bad for a club in transition. I believe they would also become the first English team to win all major competitions. Everyone is missing something and for Man United it's the Europa League.

    Sevilla, Atletico Madrid, Athletic Bilbao, Villarreal, Celta... Who am I missing?
     
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    Tough to pick who to root for in the final if Ajax and Man United make it. Would be good spectacle for the neutrals I guess, just like Real-Juventus.
    Valencia
     
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    Yeah that's true. Chelsea have won all the major European competitions; the Champions League in 2012, Europa League in 2013 and Cup Winner's Cup in 1971 and 1998, but they have never won the Intercontinental Cup / Club World Cup, losing to Corinthians in 2012. Liverpool never won the Cup Winners Cup or the Intercontinental Cup / Club World Cup losing in 1981 to Zico's Flamengo, 1984 to Independiente and 2005 to Sao Paulo.

    For a club like Man Utd, if they aren't going to be competing for the Premier League and Champions League titles, it's much better to be winning the domestic cups and Europa League than finishing 3rd or 4th without winning anything. I've already bet on them to win the Premier League title next season.

    Regarding the Spanish clubs in Europe, there has of course also been Atletico Madrid's tremendous consistency in the Champions League over the past 4 seasons and Malaga reaching the quarter-finals in 2013 (and they were agonisingly close to reaching the semis).

    The only lean season for Spanish clubs in the Europa League this decade was in 2012/2013 when they had no quarter-finalists, but even then Levante with the smallest budget in La Liga and an ageing squad reached the last 16 which was a huge success story. In recent years Premier League teams like West Ham, Southampton, Hull, Swansea and Stoke with significantly larger budgets haven't been able to progress that far, many of them have failed to even reached the group stages.
     
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    Yeah I agree with that. Winning cups and the Europa League would be a good step towards challenging for the biggest two competitions. Tradition is on Mourinho's side since he won the league in his second full season with all of his previous clubs. He will bring some high quality players and surely get rid of the ones who don't add anything significant. I am sure City, Chelsea and Tottenham will have a lot to say next season as well though.

    Atletico have done a great job in the EL before, as well as CL in the past 4 seasons as you said, and it was always Real Madrid who stopped them in the Champions League. Beginning to think it's a mental barrier now, because they have proven themselves against toughest sides many times before, as well as against Real in the Spanish competitions.

    Southampton missed out on a potentially good run in this competition IMO, some Israeli side ended the group in 2nd ahead of them because of more away goals in their head to head duels. A bit sad because on a good day the Saints can be difficult for most of their opponents.
     
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    I don't think there can be any doubt that there is a mental barrier.

    Just like Rio Ferdinand said before the game. ''The Atletico fans are being found out,'' Then Atletico went on to be found out again. The whole atmosphere makes Atletico turn into spanked children.
     
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    West Ham beat Tottenham 1-0. Chelsea can start celebrating, they will be 7 points clear with 3 games to go. That was expected for months now but I am glad someone made the margin smaller, there is something ugly when EPL has a runaway champion.

    Man United now stand alone in the least defeats category as well, alongside most draws. Yaaay :oops:
     
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    :D

    Potentially this time next week it could all be over. Although Middlesbrough fighting for their lives and a tough West Brom away aren't without their difficulties, it's just a matter of time.
     
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    Game, set and Mats.
     
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    Wasting opportunities. This looks oddly familiar. These are the results that will let somebody steal the title once again. :mad:

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    Arsenal top with 7 defeats. What sort of crazy world is this?
     
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    LMAO how is it even possible to have 46 shots. 15 on target, while they had 1. :D

    And Shaw scoring that one goal? Crazy indeed.
     
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    United gonna United!

    Amazing how realistic games have got these days :eek:
     
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    I remember when I played Top Eleven few years ago, I finished the league with zero defeats but 2nd in the table. Had 4 draws while the league winner had 2 draws and a loss, and I was responsible for his loss and one of the draws. Screw the derbies, it's small games that win you titles. :rolleyes:
     
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    4-0 away win over Granada with our reserves, excellent response to Barcelona's 4-1 win over Villarreal. Real Madrid-Sevilla next weekend, this match will probably decide the winner of La Liga. Good thing the 1st leg win over Atletico was bigger than expected, Real might even be able to rest a player or two in the 2nd.

    I mentioned Juventus' winning run at home in the league a month ago or so. It ended at 33 tonight. Higuain's injury time goal was only enough to rescue a point over city rivals Torino. It won't bother them much, the unbeaten home run is still alive at 36, while they need just one win in the last three games to secure a record sixth Serie A in a row.
     
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    Everything falls Swansea's way in the relegation derby...a 1-nil win and Hull City losing to relegated Sunderland after Man City crushes CP. Good on the Black Cats for not going quietly into the night.

    The NFL should devise a relegation formula instead of the perpetual tanking to arrange a better draft position.
     
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    Does that mean Chelsea will be going to see Trump in the White House too? :p

    Relegation sounds like a decent idea in theory. Not sure how it would work though, maybe they drop down to college level or something?
     
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    We would need some franchises established in smaller markets and manned by players that don't make the final cuts...a NFL Europe setup but playing in the fall on off-nights. They could have 8 teams and a playoff with the championship team and runner up promoted to replace the bottom team in each conference.
     
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    Swansea making it very interesting at the bottom.
     
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    Arsene Wenger finally gets the win over Jose Mourinho in the premier league. Europa league may have been the only way into the champions league for United, but now it definitely is.
     
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    Time to peak on Thursday and then hopefully in the final as well.
     
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    I have a feeling the guys will make it complicated, but not necessarily screw everything up.
     
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    It's Wenger of all people who ends Mourinho's unbeaten run in the Premier League? Bizarre. :p
    I think Man United will win it. Maybe now losing the chance for top 4 can actually help them should they qualify for the final. Mix things in the final league games and go all out on Europa League.

    Who would you rather see win the European competition this season if you could choose one? Madrid or Manchester?
     
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    Yeah, if I knew they wouldn't make it I would have rather seen them lose the realistic chance earlier. I was pretty sure the guys would get to top 4 because I thought that wastefulness back in October/November would stop. They really proved me wrong.

    Manchester United. Not the best of periods at the moment and no European titles at all for almost a decade now (thanks a lot). The Real Madrid project is finally a success with titles in 2014 and 2016, as well as reaching last four in all of the last seven CL editions. After the crisis in 2004-10, Los Blancos are back on the map.
     
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    Give some youth a chance in the remaining league games so the Tottenham defeat can have plenty of excuses afterwards.

    I'd hate to have to tell Sergio Romero he isn't playing in the euro league final, but he knows his role. Maybe he will start. Thinking of the not real again, I just couldn't have my reserve keeper in nets for such an important game. Even if he hasn't made any mistakes.
     
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    Romero would be competing for the starting spot with any keeper except De Gea, Neuer and Buffon, they cemented themselves at their clubs. Argentina's first choice keeper, very good shot stopper and not error prone. If De Gea leaves for Real in the summer, Man United have a really solid back up.
     
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    Yeah, I know he isn't Massimo Taibi or anything, but you said it yourself. Romero is still a level below DDG.
     
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    We won't be having another Blind Venetian, at least not for a while. :p Other areas are a bigger concern for the summer IMO.
     
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    I'll say it again, love Kante and deservedly won the football writers award to complete the double, but Alonso proved again tonight why he was our most important signing imo.

    He absolutely tore them to shreds down the left. Danny Rose has been injured half the season and made the team of the year ahead of him? Lol.
     

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