Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Ross K, Aug 10, 2008.
The Kings of Europe back where they belong.
Interesting how **** English teams have been in Europe on the whole since we stopped qualifying for it regularly.
Good stuff. Liverpool is a miracle pretty much, I was looking at one of those net spending graphs.
This is quite a statistic.
Indeed, if only January hadn't happened and it could've been even better.
Very impressive, truly a goal machine. Still think I'd put him behind Aguero and Costa in the best strikers in the League on their day. Think Lukaku could become better because I think he can improve a lot, it's hard to see what Kane could improve on. Goal record is unreal though, could take Shearer's record.
Chelsea holding some nice EPL single season records. Most wins, most goals scored, least goals conceded, most points... Very impressive.
Two European giants in the Europa League final which is in two days, it's going to be a good story either way. Still can't pick who to cheer for.
I thought you wouldn't poke me, looks like I misjudged you.
There were better days. Congratulations on winning La Liga, this time your team were clearly better over the season.
If in doubt, cheer for the underdog of course.
It's a 50/50 game, that kind of thinking will only create more doubt.
First Europea League Final (Or Uefa Cup was it was called back then) I remember watching was 2003. What ever happened to that young handsome Porto manager? Martin O'Neill still doing bits to tbf.
Man Utd are heavy favourites. And they should be, With Man Utd's squad apparently costing 628 million and Ajax's costing 39, Man Utd will rightly be considered the favourites. Obviously Ajax's excellent youth system (believe Man Utd's is meant be pretty good too) meaning the value of the squads would be a little closer, Man Utd nonetheless have an embarrassment of riches and quality of players that Ajax don't have. It would be a fairy embarrassing match to lose, of course anything can happen, and no doubt the fact that it's such a big match for Man Utd as winning or losing it represents the difference between a pretty disastrous season (considering everything), and a decent one.
Although as Mourinho once said "I don't want to win the Europa League. It would be a big disappointment to me." So he'll have his own internal struggles to deal with on that front, so that'll make it tough for him.
Ajax also have a fully fit squad, to my knowledge at least, and obviously less matches played/more time to prepare, that makes the difference smaller. I'd be willing to bet Juventus' squad didn't cost anywhere near 628 million, maybe even just half of that, still nobody sane would consider them underdogs if they faced Manchester United now. Anyway, I don't remember the last time there was such a thin line for anyone between a forgettable and a memorable season like it is for United in this final. Lose it and four or five English clubs can say they had a better season. Win it and it's a better season than everybody's except Chelsea's.
Yes, the transfer numbers don't tell you the whole story. They tell you that you have an expensive team, but you have to watch the matches and consider everything. How well is the team performing? What is at stake?
Wouldn't consider it 50/50 though. United are favorites.
Your squad should be well rested. I saw your line-up this weekend, just academy boys, Bailly who won't play the final, Rooney who probably won't start and Pogba who played only the first half just to get a bit of match time after missing few previous games due to his father's death.
The only bad thing apart from Bailly missing is the pressure that you will have. Ajax have secured CL playoffs at least. So no need for making any bigger excuses. The quality is there, just don't be super wasteful like in some of your games this season and the team will probably be fine.
They have a smaller squad as well I bet, injuries happen. Your reserves cost more than their first team by quite a way and there's a big difference between Juventus and Ajax. Juventus have a striker who cost almost twice as much as Ajax's entire squad for one in Higuain.
Pressure is your biggest opponent, plus Mourinho's desire not to win the Europa League of course, needs to overcome that.
Yeah fine line indeed, and speaking without considering other factors winning would be a better season than anyone else except Chelsea, although considering other factors like the level investment in the summer in addition to what you already had compared to the other sides, then Tottenham and Liverpool would've had better seasons.
Yes I agree, there is a big difference with Juve and Ajax but money spent never tells the full story. Probably the biggest extreme ever is Pogba. The one that played for them and cost peanuts was a better player than the inconsistent 100 mil one right now. Juve have some great players that were made by the club and have done some great loan/free/cheap transfer deals. Numbers can trick us.
I highly doubt you would take Liverpool's or Tottenham's season over Man United's if they win the Europa League, regardless of those other factors you talk about.
You should understand my skepticism. Barcelona had the quality to have success this season, as usual, but hardly ever gave you reasons to be optimistic, did they? Even after beating Atletico in the cup, after your epic comeback against PSG and your win over Real in El Clasico, you weren't optimistic. Now sink down to the current level of Manchester United who are forced to win this Europa League so they could avoid it next season. Barcelona will continue to be competitive at the highest level for a while but we need to get back there as soon as possible. Despite the great brand and a lot of money, playing CL will make the club a much more attractive option for world class players so the shorter the drought the better.
I wouldn't argue with that no, but you have spent some big money and have a lot of very good players, regardless of injuries and you will rightly be considered favourites, Ajax for all their promising talent are just that, where they play once you get to be a certain level you do tend to get sold, for all their history that's the situation they are in. I'm sure this summer will be no different regardless of what happens tomorrow.
No you're right I probably would take a Europa League and a League Cup over Tottenham or Liverpool's seasons (maybe take Tottenham's as it suggests you're close to winning the league). But just in terms of the situation, it's a better achievement to finish 4th when making an overall profit from transfers after finishing 8th the previous season, or finishing second as Spurs not spending much either while all the teams around you are spending big, than it is to spend 150 million like Man Utd did and finish 6th with two cups albeit one being hte Europa League and getting you Champions League. Likewise with Man City, no way did they have a more successful season than Liverpool considering where they came from and what they spend, but I would certainly take 3rd over 4th.
Do get your scepticism personally, or rather pessimism, I was so nervous going into the Middlesborough game last weekend (along with I think every single Liverpool fan). Logically I knew we absolutely should win, and did think we probably would but given how some of the games against **** teams have gone this season and what was at stake, just couldn't shake that feeling. But Liverpool were heavy favourites, and rightly so.
Man Utd 4 Ajax 0
Like I said before, it is a one off game. Definitely, there is a reason to be optimistic. Not like we are chasing 0-10 returns like Barcelona had to.
I choose to have hope and be an optimist. On this occasion. It's happening.
Mourinho seems to of tanked the last handful of games, they've had some decent results but the message and his demeanour hasn't been great.
It's hard to turn it on and off and get momentum going. So it's definitely going to be interesting to see how the players react and what kind of game we get.
Real Madrid's James Rodriguez and Gareth Bale may never lift their maiden La Liga trophy as Los Blancos will only be handed the trophy on matchday 2 or 1 next season. Had Real won the La Liga before matchday 38, they would have the trophy by now.
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