Poisoned Slice
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Russeljones
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Too much of a hypocrite to admit he is. "I am not calling for Ole to be sacked, I want him to do well, but if Liverpool beat us, he needs to go."
Russeljones
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I am of the opinion that the 2nd half was 100% the players. Ronnie rallied them in the break and they went for it.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
I almost went to a Vitesse game once. It was nearly 25 years ago..
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
The great managers picking up more unwanted records. I see that is the first time a Mourinho team has conceded 6 in 1 match. 6-1, yeah.
Speculation that the first team and reserves had to sleep in the car park after this humiliation.
Federer and Del Potro
Talk Tennis Guru
Sounds like it was a Ronaldo halftime speech that roused the team to victory. Makes you wonder what Ole even does here.
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
Talk Tennis Guru
Solskjaer delivered the halftime speech against Leicester. Ronaldo did it against Atalanta. The Sun reported. Depending on result against Liverpool (and all future games) we will know which one of them took charge in the dressing room. Ole 
or Ronnie
or Ronnie 
Feña14
G.O.A.T.
7-0, all scored by young English players and half the team were academy graduates.
You’ve got to imagine Gallagher will have a role next season. Then there’s Christensen and Gilmour who arrived at the academy a bit later than the others.
You would’ve been sectioned if you predicted that from Chelsea 5 years ago.
You’ve got to imagine Gallagher will have a role next season. Then there’s Christensen and Gilmour who arrived at the academy a bit later than the others.
You would’ve been sectioned if you predicted that from Chelsea 5 years ago.
Federer and Del Potro
Talk Tennis Guru
Fred and Mctominay on form. Conceding goals form
GG in 13 minutes. This team is garbage lol
GG in 13 minutes. This team is garbage lol
TheAssassin
Legend
Of course after Bruno missed at the start, Liverpool would immediately and brutally punish.
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
Talk Tennis Guru
Now 13 home games without a clean sheet.
TheAssassin
Legend
Unacceptable.
Federer and Del Potro
Talk Tennis Guru
My 6-0 prediction might have been too nice.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
'' The Man Utd defense is a powerful as a solar-powered torch.''
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
Apparently this will be Penaldo’s worst loss of his career (5-0 vs Farcelona back in the Pep days)
I can’t say I feel bad for Ole as this has been coming for quite awhile. He has to go. As for the rest of the side I think there’s a lot of talent in it, but you need two quality CMs at minimum.
I can’t say I feel bad for Ole as this has been coming for quite awhile. He has to go. As for the rest of the side I think there’s a lot of talent in it, but you need two quality CMs at minimum.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
The picture of United fans leaving the stadium just after an hour has to be one of the most embarrassing scenes ever.
I wasn't confident going into the match but this was beyond the worst nightmare.
I wasn't confident going into the match but this was beyond the worst nightmare.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Mr. Page will be busy guiding Wales to victory at the World Cup.
Larry Duff
Legend
I really hate Liverpool more than any other sports team but that was hilarious
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Maguire and Shaw played like they had a few before the game, running into each other. Then you're leaving the hottest player in the world free. Salah isn't going to miss. Be here all day talking the match.
Definitely felt like one of the most humbling single results ever. I had to look back at some results, can remember most of them. The 5-0 by Newcastle with that sexy Albert (Murray) lob over Schmeichel. United were the best then so it didn't matter as much.
Have to all Goldbridge again. He was talking about Chelsea firing Frank Lampard. A bigger legend at Chelsea and all, you could see what he was trying to do. They got Tuchel in. Of course, it is a different situation here. Roman likes football and wants Chelsea to be as successful as they can. It's all about making a certain bottom line at United and not falling outside the top 4.
Wouldn't be all Ole out if it was a one-off. You could see it coming, we've gone backwards from last season when we received a bit of luck to due to other team's misfortunes. I'm not screaming Ole out. But, when it happens, it happens. Did feel sorry for him during the post match interview.
Errors leading to shots 8. Rock Bottom.
Clean sheets 1. 18th
foals conceded 15. 18th.
Definitely felt like one of the most humbling single results ever. I had to look back at some results, can remember most of them. The 5-0 by Newcastle with that sexy Albert (Murray) lob over Schmeichel. United were the best then so it didn't matter as much.
Have to all Goldbridge again. He was talking about Chelsea firing Frank Lampard. A bigger legend at Chelsea and all, you could see what he was trying to do. They got Tuchel in. Of course, it is a different situation here. Roman likes football and wants Chelsea to be as successful as they can. It's all about making a certain bottom line at United and not falling outside the top 4.
Wouldn't be all Ole out if it was a one-off. You could see it coming, we've gone backwards from last season when we received a bit of luck to due to other team's misfortunes. I'm not screaming Ole out. But, when it happens, it happens. Did feel sorry for him during the post match interview.
Errors leading to shots 8. Rock Bottom.
Clean sheets 1. 18th
foals conceded 15. 18th.
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
Talk Tennis Guru
Somehow I misread that as 15 fouls. And it would still be believable, conceded or given. No need for opponents to foul us when we give the ball away instantly, while we just watch most of them effortlessly approach our goal.
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Federer and Del Potro
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England Maguire: Boohooman Value. Flirts with multiple women
Manchester United Magure: Mcdonalds Value. Concedes goals like they're a dollar menu item
Federer and Del Potro
Talk Tennis Guru
ESPN reporting Ole may be on the way out. Conte in. Thoughts?
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
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Nowadays I just look at what Romano says. He'll know if Conte is in before Conte himself does.ESPN reporting Ole may be on the way out. Conte in. Thoughts?
I'm all for it just to see him bite some of these guys' heads off. We seem to be out of any long term manager options at this point though.
Sysyphus
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time to regurgitate my conviction that managers aren't nearly as important as they are made out to be.
any one of the star managers have usually had great and disappointing seasons with various clubs, depending largely on the quality and health of the team and the resources they have available. Same manager, yet very different results. It'd be an exaggeration to say they are glorified mascots, but it's not that far off.
(Yes, I will make up any rationalization to keep Ole at the wheel.)
I do think that his days are numbers, and that Man U need to make some changes to live up their ambitions. That may include switching managers, but probably a lot more than that also.
any one of the star managers have usually had great and disappointing seasons with various clubs, depending largely on the quality and health of the team and the resources they have available. Same manager, yet very different results. It'd be an exaggeration to say they are glorified mascots, but it's not that far off.
(Yes, I will make up any rationalization to keep Ole at the wheel.)
Does it make statistical sense to sack a football manager?
As the English Premier League kicks off again, the top three clubs have new managers. But, statistically speaking, do managers really make a difference to a team's performance?
www.bbc.com
I do think that his days are numbers, and that Man U need to make some changes to live up their ambitions. That may include switching managers, but probably a lot more than that also.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
I listened to Barbie on the United Stand this morning. She was raving about the Ajax manager. Clickbait title asking - is Ole hours from sack? Sexy Romano was on the show. Yeah, I'd take Conte because he's a proven winner and hasn't started going downhill. Might not stay for long but you wouldn't fancy him to do worse than Ole.ESPN reporting Ole may be on the way out. Conte in. Thoughts?
''Unless you want to pay the super chat and expose yourself.''
Not expecting anything from it.
time to regurgitate my conviction that managers aren't nearly as important as they are made out to be.
any one of the star managers have usually had great and disappointing seasons with various clubs, depending largely on the quality and health of the team and the resources they have available. Same manager, yet very different results. It'd be an exaggeration to say they are glorified mascots, but it's not that far off.
(Yes, I will make up any rationalization to keep Ole at the wheel.)
Does it make statistical sense to sack a football manager?
As the English Premier League kicks off again, the top three clubs have new managers. But, statistically speaking, do managers really make a difference to a team's performance?www.bbc.com
I do think that his days are numbers, and that Man U need to make some changes to live up their ambitions. That may include switching managers, but probably a lot more than that also.
I disagree.
Zidane is the mandatory contender for United, but Eddie is pricing him out because he is shooting a DAZN documentary with Ole.
Can't see us getting the lot more. Not with this lot in charge. I see they purchased something else today. Pressure could have been put on them after the match getting cancelled last season. Nothing else came of it, of course. They brought in Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo. All was forgiven until we started playing again.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
We got this from him later.
"I don't fall for this carry on that there is going to be a brilliant reaction from these players," said Keane on Sky Sports. "These are the same players that threw Mourinho under the bus and they will do exactly the same to Ole.
Leopards do not change their spots. There are too many bluffers at this club to get United back to the very top.''
Feña14
G.O.A.T.
I had the same thought
Defoe is a bit of a lightweight. Keane in the studio with Micah Richards winding him up would‘be been great.
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
My thinking on managers is: it’s not like any manager (ok maybe Big Sam or Pulis) is going to tell the lads DON’T try and pass+move to score goals. Every manager is going to try to encourage attacking movement, fluidity, shots on target.
I refuse to believe any PL manager is telling players not to try to score. At some point the onus must be on the players and especially midfielders who are unable to create anything after 3 years and 3 managers (in Spurs’ case, that is, though it applies to United)
the rot goes far deeper than a manager. I usually hate the platitude coachspeak of “culture” but in football culture is everything. What you’re allowed to get away with speaks volumes. Klopp and Pep and Tuchel don’t let their midfielders get away with one or two misplaced passes or unmarked runners. Nuno, Mourinho, Ole, seemingly have no problem with it. To some extent, it’s because the latter 3 have no choice due to sh!te squad building.
I refuse to believe any PL manager is telling players not to try to score. At some point the onus must be on the players and especially midfielders who are unable to create anything after 3 years and 3 managers (in Spurs’ case, that is, though it applies to United)
the rot goes far deeper than a manager. I usually hate the platitude coachspeak of “culture” but in football culture is everything. What you’re allowed to get away with speaks volumes. Klopp and Pep and Tuchel don’t let their midfielders get away with one or two misplaced passes or unmarked runners. Nuno, Mourinho, Ole, seemingly have no problem with it. To some extent, it’s because the latter 3 have no choice due to sh!te squad building.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Or Roy Keane in the studio with Roy Keane.I had the same thought
Feña14
G.O.A.T.
I agree. Solksjaer is deservedly getting stick, but Gary Neville saying United have a squad that’s as good as Liverpool, City and Chelsea is way off. A good manager and they’ll be capable of winning the Champions League and Premier League? No chance.
Liverpool and City were so far ahead that it was always going to take something special to close the gap. Chelsea have done amazingly well for the last year, but even now they’re probably still slightly behind those two. Signing an old Ronaldo and Sancho and thinking that will close the gap? It’s madness. Fernandes is the only United player who could get into the Liverpool, City, Chelsea team imo.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Varane was meant to be the dream partnership that would make it feel like Bruce and Pallister or something. Hasn't gone down well. Didn't really get going thanks to the Injury.
Maybe not winning the league but at least putting up a challenge. League later on. haha I'd say there would be a chance for Pogba to get on for Liverpool. If we're taking our version then maybe not.
Or maybe I'm still delusional. In reality, this could be our version of what I grew up after Liverpool dominated. Then it was 31 years before they won the title again. Can't think that long into the future.
We could use a better cm (or2). It's just, if I'm thinking we do get a new manager then I'm thinking we won't be stuck with Fred and McTominay. Yes, the scapegoats. Donny is done as far as Ole as concerned. He could get in, maybe. I'd like at least 1.
Just fed up with the same rubbish game after game.
Sysyphus
Talk Tennis Guru
I read someone making an argument that while basketball is a 'strong link' game, football is a 'weak link' game.
In basketball, the strong link (e.g. a Lebron James) can carry a team and dominate a game almost by himself, because there are few players and you can carry the ball all over the court.
In football, matches are mostly determined by which team has the fewer weak links, the ones who make critical errors. Even a Messi cannot carry a shlte Argentina all by himself, as we have seen. Depth and consistency wins.
United has a lot of strong links, I would say. Some very talented players there, at least if motivated (hum hum). But it seems they have too many weak links as well in crucial areas. And a lack of an overarching philosophy to the team-building maybe. Too haphazard.
In basketball, the strong link (e.g. a Lebron James) can carry a team and dominate a game almost by himself, because there are few players and you can carry the ball all over the court.
In football, matches are mostly determined by which team has the fewer weak links, the ones who make critical errors. Even a Messi cannot carry a shlte Argentina all by himself, as we have seen. Depth and consistency wins.
United has a lot of strong links, I would say. Some very talented players there, at least if motivated (hum hum). But it seems they have too many weak links as well in crucial areas. And a lack of an overarching philosophy to the team-building maybe. Too haphazard.
TheFifthSet
Legend
Great post, agree with both examples adduced.
One sport that seems to be neither is baseball; players wait their turn to bat and it’s near-impossible for a batter to have the sort of bat control that allows for him to target weak fielders and avoid negative trade-offs. It’s a series of rotating 1-on-1 match-ups within a team sport where team dynamics are present (the pitcher-catcher dynamic, middle-infielders that coordinate double plays, outfielders that call each other off on fly balls) but often take a backseat and the best players need to wait to impose their will on the game (exception being pitchers, but even the most durable hurler will only take the mound every fifth game).
