The Universal Swing Path
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bitcoinoperated
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His videos on everything but detailed stroke mechanics are solid but on this subject he seems to lose his way. His forehand video letting the racquet drop backward was weird and now this video when the whole idea of modern 'ATP' style strokes is to get the rotational part removed and make it more linear.
heninfan99
Talk Tennis Guru
What's the time stamp for his Federer comment?
Around 11:40. He basically says that Roger typically has less inside ----> out action and that it's not ideal as a starting point to learn the forehand swing path.
heninfan99
Talk Tennis Guru
Very interesting. Whereas Macci recommends teaching the modern forehand from day 1. So little agreement in tennis.
Tennisanity
Legend
This video isn't about WTA vs ATP, it's about inside out swing path on all shots.
Agree. I think it even applies to the serve - no? I certainly think this video will prove helpful because I got the same wrong impression he was talking about in his videos.
Macci if you want to get technical wants you to pat the dog AWAY from you - so his teaching is not entirely different. Macci just skips the loop part that presets his 'PTD' position. Which I think is a mistake.. but obviously it works for the guys Macci teaches - most of whom already have a large loop..
Shadow swings are Quackville now? LMAO. The address of quackville begins with tt..
bitcoinoperated
Hall of Fame
The whole idea of modern 'ATP' style strokes is to get the rotational part removed and make it more linear (as well as more compact/explosive of course). Macci goes over this in his fh video with the older kid on blue.
Yeah not really and not what macci teaches either. If you wanted to remove angular momentum you could hold the racquet with both hands and step into path of ball.
Macci preaches swinging through ball just like tomaz. The rotation here is about the loop almost all major pros and almost every good player incorporate a loop backswing.
He is talking about shape of backswing. Its a good tip but not a unique one.
revolutiontenniz
Rookie
This is a very interesting video!
Limpinhitter
G.O.A.T.
I couldn't get past the figure 8 explanation before my eyes rolled back in my head and I snored so loud I woke myself up.
Macci is right. Speaking as one who had to unlearn a traditional forehand in order to learn a modern forehand, it's not a path that I recommend.
Limpinhitter
G.O.A.T.
That's not correct. The ATP style forehand exploits two rotational forces, the upper body and the arm, simultaneously.
Limpinhitter
G.O.A.T.
Macci teaches a unit turn with both hands on the racquet, and a short backswing with the racquet head pointing to the right side fence, not a figure 8.
We are talking about shape of backswing - not length of it here. Its clear that the swing has an up and down component and angular component. So a kind of pendulum component and a rotational component. I think everyone gets that. But here Tomas is talking about the outside to inside to outside path of the racquet - from looking down above.
Macci is keying on the rotational (turning of the shoulder axis - firing the hips) component with his 'pull' talk - and thats where most of your power comes from but in my view Tomas is talking about how the racquet gets to that 'pull' position.
These instructions are not that incompatible - hence the idea of a universal swing path - especially in the backswing. He isn't the first to talk bout this. Another tip is to keep the racquet away from you and not let it come to inside during the backswing/unit turn..
Peter McCraw (austrialian tennis guy?!) was talking about this kind of thing years back..
Notice how he talks about the racquet staying on the outside of the body - this is similiar to Macci with his idea of an outside setup and in my view at least similiar to Feel Tennis idea that the racquet moves from outside to back inside to outside again..
I thought it was cool video made sense to me.. Does not seem to directly contradict the other guys. Now other aspects of the forehand he teaches is different with his 'on edge' drop and such.
Limpinhitter
G.O.A.T.
In the modern forehand, the backswing is created by the unit turn, causing the shape of the backswing to be on an arc. Peter McCraw doesn't understand the purpose of the abbreviated backswing and has no concept of the proper arm and racquet structure at the start of the forward swing needed to create an ATP style flip.
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
How does this swing path work if:
You're on the Ad side and want to hit a forehand crosscourt. Swing Outside-->In-->Outside--> ???
You're on the Ad side and want to hit a forehand down the line. Swing Outside-->In-->Outside--> ???
I think Tomaz is saying the universal swing path on every shot is Outside-->In-->Outside.
i.e. the first three parts are universal. After that, you shape the shot for directional control.
Still not clear what common error Tomaz is trying to correct. I suppose club players are not starting their swing from the outside. Just going straight to the inside... But correct swingpath should happen naturally with a proper unit turn and relaxed lagging arm.
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