The USO to introduce on-court coaching in the main draw

Do you approve on-court coaching ?

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 11.9%
  • No

    Votes: 59 88.1%

  • Total voters
    67

Otacon

Hall of Fame
Somewhat misleading title. I was going to post saying this is an awful idea, it’s not being implemented on the adult tour, just juniors. I don’t like that either but it’s not like we are seeing it this year in the main draw.
You didn't read the article apparently because this is exactly what it says.
 

King No1e

Legend
Well, normally Davis Cup is the place for coaching, but they desecrated that already. So now we need a new place to permit coaching.....why not a Grand Slam!

They've taken another hatchet swing to le beau jeu.
 

Subway Tennis

Hall of Fame
You didn't read the article apparently because this is exactly what it says.
That is not what it says. You should read it again and understand the distinction between on-court coaching, and coaching from the stands. Two different practices being discussed in the article.

This thread should be nuked before it wastes a lot of people's time. A s$&@load of people are going to skim the article and chime in.....

@Aussie Darcy is correct.
 

King No1e

Legend
This is an outrage! It should be player vs player on the court and that's it. No one wants the player with better coaches to gain an advantage during play. Well, obviously some do, but I would think most fans do not want this.
Tennis is supposed to be the loneliest sport. A key aspect of the game is the lack of communication throughout the game. You're a gladiator in the arena, and you fight the battle alone. Coaching destroys this psychological aspect of the game.
On court coaching should be reserved solely for team events.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
You didn't read the article apparently because this is exactly what it says.
I read the first half where it was taking about the juniors and qualifying. The article is somewhat puzzling, i’m still confused about what they’re doing in NY. I wonder what the specific rules are. Once per set?
 

Tshooter

Legend
Somewhat misleading title. I was going to post saying this is an awful idea, it’s not being implemented on the adult tour, just juniors. I don’t like that either but it’s not like we are seeing it this year in the main draw.
They already tried out on-court coaching at USO last year during certain matches. I remember Nick receiving on-court coaching from Mo’.
 
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Otacon

Hall of Fame
That is not what it says. You should read it again and understand the distinction between on-court coaching, and coaching from the stands. Two different practices being discussed in the article.

This thread should be nuked before it wastes a lot of people's time. A s$&@load of people are going to skim the article and chime in.....

@Aussie Darcy is correct.
It's more or less the same thing and it's called coaching.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
I'm absolutely fine with it, at any level, for men too. Why not hear Ljubicic or Moya telling Rafa or Fed what they could change? Why fine for other sports but not for tennis? What if it might produce even better results sometimes?

To me it's like saying wearing anything else but white is a bad idea, or always insisting on white balls. No blue clay. I like change. ;)
 
F

FRV

Guest
I'm absolutely fine with it, at any level, for men too. Why not hear Ljubicic or Moya telling Rafa or Fed what they could change? Why fine for other sports but not for tennis? What if it might produce even better results sometimes?

To me it's like saying wearing anything else but white is a bad idea, or always insisting on white balls. No blue clay. I like change. ;)
I don't agree, but this is well put. I'm fine with change too.... after the big3 retire that is.
 

Otacon

Hall of Fame
I'm absolutely fine with it, at any level, for men too. Why not hear Ljubicic or Moya telling Rafa or Fed what they could change? Why fine for other sports but not for tennis? What if it might produce even better results sometimes?

To me it's like saying wearing anything else but white is a bad idea, or always insisting on white balls. No blue clay. I like change. ;)
Do you undestand Spanish or Serbian ?
 

Subway Tennis

Hall of Fame
It's more or less the same thing and it's called coaching.
You should just admit that you missed the distinction in the article instead of claiming the two are more or less the same thing.

We have a clickbait thread title based on a misread article.

Change the title or better yet, nuke the thread and stop wasting people's time.
 

Otacon

Hall of Fame
You should just admit that you missed the distinction in the article instead of claiming the two are more or less the same thing.

We have a clickbait thread title based on a misread article.

Change the title or better yet, nuke the thread and stop wasting people's time.
I don't know what your problem is.

Read the article's title again :
"Tim Henman leads backlash against plans to experiment with on-court coaching at US Open"
 

Subway Tennis

Hall of Fame
I don't know what your problem is.

Read the article's title again :
"Tim Henman leads backlash against plans to experiment with on-court coaching at US Open"
Your thread title is the problem. The article's title is fine.

You missed the distinction between on court coaching and coaching from the stands.

Now you're just doubling-down rather than changing the mistaken clickbait thread title?
 

Otacon

Hall of Fame
Your thread title is the problem. The article's title is fine.

You missed the distinction between on court coaching and coaching from the stands.

Now you're just doubling-down rather than changing the mistaken clickbait thread title?
Not gonna waste time with a nitpicker. On ignore.
 

MeatTornado

Legend
I don't even understand the benefit of this change.

There's been a bunch of changes in modern times that I at least see why they did it (Hawkeye, serve clock, tiebreaks, etc.) But I don't see how on-court coaching improves the sport. All it does is devalue what the players go through out there by giving them a crutch.
 

Imperator

Professional
No. Players should figure things out by themselves to fully deserve their victories. It's fine to do it in team sports because the whole team aspect is what defines them and coaches are fully part of them. Tennis is an individual sport. You succeed alone or fail alone.
 

Subway Tennis

Hall of Fame
Not gonna waste time with a nitpicker. On ignore.
All you had to do was make the correction and fix the mistake you'd made. It would have helped the thread and saved a lot of people getting the wrong idea of what the USTA was doing here.

No matter, Bury your head in the sand.

Happy trolling......
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
...Why fine for other sports but not for tennis? What if it might produce even better results sometimes?
Worst logic ever to justify something. Whataboutism.

To me it's like saying wearing anything else but white is a bad idea, or always insisting on white balls. No blue clay. I like change. ;)
"Change for change sake" or using this as a counter-argument to not changing is even worse logic than the above.

Congratulations, you earned a bad argument/logic uppercut twice in one post. :-D
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
If, as I have read in some places, that the good aspect of having coaching is that fans will have a better idea of the ins/outs of the game and what's going on from an entertainment point of view then here's why that is horseshit.

Firstly, the majority of coaching dialogues will be in a language foreign to most viewers so in the moment it will be irrelevant. It will just be used in online discussions long after the fact once translated. Moreso, for the spectators in the stadium it will also be irrelevant because you wont be able to hear them over the din, especially if both players are doing it at the same time.

So, if you're keen on the idea, please let us know why you would want it? To help players perform better (whether or not viewers are privvy to the coaching conversation)? Or as a bonus piece of entertainment? Or something else?
 
There will be coaches losing their jobs if this happens. It will be up front and personal with what and why a player changed something. Who to blame now? Well, of course not the player...
 

Stretchy Man

Professional
That is not what it says. You should read it again and understand the distinction between on-court coaching, and coaching from the stands. Two different practices being discussed in the article.

This thread should be nuked before it wastes a lot of people's time. A s$&@load of people are going to skim the article and chime in.....

@Aussie Darcy is correct.
Receiving coaching while on-court seems like a reasonable definition of on-court coaching.
 

Cupcake

Rookie
There already is a lot of coaching going on. Instead of 'on court', just let them continue to do it from the stands - except no one 'gets caught', and no penalties. If the other team can figure out what the signals mean (like baseball signals), all the more interesting. But with the service clock, they'd have to be quick, lol.

I find 'on court' coaching of the WTA to be extremely boring. The little I've seen is mainly encouragement not tactics, and the player appearing to not even be listening.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
Worst logic ever to justify something. Whataboutism.
If I have earned a worst logic award from you I'd say that you are letting a lot of bad logic slide by from other people. But so far all I can see is that you don't like my opinion because it differs from yours.
"Change for change sake" or using this as a counter-argument to not changing is even worse logic than the above.
Hmm. Did I say that? If I say that an idea seems interesting, and that I might like it, how is that the same as automatically endorsing any change to anything for any reason?
Congratulations, you earned a bad argument/logic uppercut twice in one post. :-D
I think you're just in a bad mood and happened to run into my post at the exact moment you wanted to argue with someone. Basically your logic is:

I don't agree with someone on the Internet, so I'll go on the attack with the "not logical" accusation because I just read an opinion by someone that doesn't match mine.
 
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Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
That is not what it says. You should read it again and understand the distinction between on-court coaching, and coaching from the stands. Two different practices being discussed in the article.

This thread should be nuked before it wastes a lot of people's time. A s$&@load of people are going to skim the article and chime in.....

@Aussie Darcy is correct.
This thread should be nuked because someone won't read the article? Really?

The info pertains to the experiments with coaching in the game in all levels and forms, so either you need 3 - 4 separate topics, or one can start such discussion with such a title and go from there. What is more, if they are introducing it in the junior ranks it is more than obvious that they plan on introducing it on the men's tour in the near future, so the thread is absolutely relevant to that new situation.

:cool:
 

Subway Tennis

Hall of Fame
Receiving coaching while on-court seems like a reasonable definition of on-court coaching.
If you only refer to where the player is and don't indicate whether the coach is in the stands or on court, you are not defining anything explicitly.
 
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Azure

Legend
I'm absolutely fine with it, at any level, for men too. Why not hear Ljubicic or Moya telling Rafa or Fed what they could change? Why fine for other sports but not for tennis? What if it might produce even better results sometimes?

To me it's like saying wearing anything else but white is a bad idea, or always insisting on white balls. No blue clay. I like change. ;)
I would rather the player figures it out on his own on the court. Aren't individual sports special because of this? I mean it's upto the individual to figure out alternate game plans, face adversity on the court by themselves etc. Tennis will lose its charm if coaching is allowed imo. I do not know of other individual sports that has coaching on the field/court (boxing?)
 

Luka888

Hall of Fame
OK, I read the article. I hate changes in tennis. I'm sorry. Young kids need to learn to be independent. Why would you coach a player and I don't care if he is a junior or a pro?

Kids will grow up at some point and then what ... You need a hug? I mean seriously. This is stupid. Learn how to think on your own.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
I would rather the player figures it out on his own on the court. Aren't individual sports special because of this? I mean it's upto the individual to figure out alternate game plans, face adversity on the court by themselves etc. Tennis will lose its charm if coaching is allowed imo. I do not know of other individual sports that has coaching on the field/court (boxing?)
I really don't have a strong opinion about this. Try it, throw it out if it doesn't work. Or don't allow it in the first place. It's not a big deal to me. As I said, I think it would be fun to see what happens. I personally think illegal coaching from the stands is worse somehow because it's sneaky.

Common sense says that coaching goes on during breaks. I don't know how, but when a player goes off court and might be consulting about an injury or some other physical problem, do you think they don't talk a bit about a possible change in strategy? Surely this goes on in spades when there is a halt in play for the day. So I don't see it as a black and white thing.

Also, so often rule changes turn out not to really change anything. Now we have a score clock. I can't see that this clock has changed much of anything. They guys who are fast still play fast. The slow guys wait for the score to be called and then watch the clock count down for every point. For me the shot clock was a huge deal about nothing.

To me moving to TBs was a much bigger change in tennis.
 

Tshooter

Legend
OK, I read the article. I hate changes in tennis. I'm sorry. Young kids need to learn to be independent. Why would you coach a player and I don't care if he is a junior or a pro?

Kids will grow up at some point and then what ... You need a hug? I mean seriously. This is stupid. Learn how to think on your own.
I need a hug after reading this.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
You got it. It's a virtual hug but it does mean something ;)
Question, and this could be for all against coaching:

Do you feel really strong about it? Would the way it is done make a difference?

I'm thinking of at least two very different scenarios, but of course there could be a lot more.

1. A coach is front and center, ready to "help" at any moment. That seems more like what you would expect with very young, inexperienced players.
2. You have short windows for coaching, maybe at the end of a set. You might in that case see the same thing going on that already happens in the lock room.

As I've said, I don't have any kind of strong view about this. I was 100% behind a shot clock but feared it might be done ineffectively, which is what has happened. I like TBs in the last set of a major to prevent a match going on forever as has happened and leaving the eventual winner so depleted that he has nothing left for the next match.
 
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