Discussion in 'Racquets' started by ClubHoUno, Mar 16, 2010.
Where in the City do you play?
mostly roosevelt island. you?
LES- FDR & Seward Pk....prefer outdoors, especially during the summer.
Love my pb10 mid. VS17@50lbs is about to break. Going to try some polys next.
used to play LES/East River Park all the time when I loved close, not familiar w the Seward Park courts.
Anyone alter their grips? I saw the Redondo Classic grip mod thread - I think I'll try Balsa wood first to get a more square grip first. if that fails, ****.
I added two layers of extra power tape at the wider faces that works as well. Then I replaced the original DNX grip with Babolat Leather grip and a Dunlop Hydratac Overgrip.
I don't use/own a PB 10 mid, but I do use modified Volkl handles.
I have them setup as follows :
- 1 layer of head tape on the diagonal bevels
- 3 layers of head tape on the left side/right side bevels
- no tape on the top and bottom bevels.
This rounds/squares up the handle a bit. It also slightly increases grip size. I use a leather grip + Supergrap overgrip and I can still feel the bevels just fine with that setup. Hope this helps.
Since I use a 1hbh I only tape half of the handle since I don't touch the upper half, and hence don't need to modify it. This keeps the added weight to a minimum as well. It's not really noticeable.
Awesome, thanks Gee + Od1n for the tips on tape. will give that a try. probably easier than me fiddling with balsa.
Seward Park courts are on Essex bet Grand and Hester.
Using white athletic tape is common on the circuit to enlarge or change grip shapes--not every player can afford Roman's fees. It is easily available from the trainers, and tears in a straight line, which is even better than cutting. Also, its rough outer surface and stickiness when hot, allows your grip to adhere to your modification well. Additionally, 1/2 inch lead tape is of the same thickness, so they are interchangeable on the pallets for whatever your needs maybe.
How's it going with the PB10 Mid? How do you like it so far? Now it's not so hot anymore here, I assume you've given it some court time.
I'm considering trying this racquet as a replacement for my C10 Pro (or just as an addition).
I played 5 sessions with the PB10 Mid so far. Here are my findings.
The first session I hit the PB10 Mid on an artificial grass court. I only practiced groundstrokes, volleys and smashes for an hour.
I noticed that it swings very light compared to my TF335. It is also very low powered. When you mishit the ball it has no pace with a dead feel but this kind of symptom also means a very good feedback from the racquet.
Volleys are the best part with the PB10. Very maneuverable and rock solid. That DNX stuff at 3 and 9 o'clock position really works great.
Hitting smashes felt more effortless than I was used to with my TF335. I only was forced to concentrate a bit better with high lobs because its smaller headsize but that's not a bad thing.
Note: The second through the fifth session I played on a Provision court (artificial claycourt).
A different feeling than the first session.
Groundstrokes felt more solid with a firm ball contact. Through this I also noticed a more plow through effect. Especially with my one handed backhand when I hit through. My slice bh also felt buttery and smooth.
Volleys were solid as well like during the first session. You can really feel it has a solid firm head that is very suitable for net play.
And finally I also hit some serves because we played a doubles match.
A fantastic serving stick! Light into the shoulder with an effortless swing and still you clearly feel the weight behind the ball. Especially with flat serves. Slice and kick serves are also great. I was a bit anxious my slice and kick serves with the PB10 Mid wouldn't be as good as with midplus frames but I was gladly surprised it did its job very well. My slice and kick serves were more penetrating than with a Head MG Prestige Mid (that I demoed a few years ago) because of the 16x19 open string pattern of the PB10 Mid.
The third session again on Provision. This time I played a singles match. The first set with the PB10 Mid and the second one with my TF335. I won both sets with 6-1 but I felt more confidental with my regular TF335 into the rallies because the TF335 feels more solid during groundstrokes.
Fourth session I practiced with a former 6.0 player who hits with a lot of space and quick variations. We only hit groundstrokes and some volleys and smashes.
Groundstrokes felt not as solid as previous sessions and underpowered to my taste. It definitely needs more swingweight IMO.
So this time it all didn't feel as great as previous sessions.
Before the fifth session I added about 5 grams of lead at 12 o'clock position.
First I warmed up against that same guy (former 6.0 player).
My groundstrokes felt a lot better with the added weight. More power and more solid.
After that warming up of 20 min we played a doubles match.
During the match I hardly lost a point at my service. Really remarkable! It is an such a terrific serving racquet!
Serve of returns were difficult because all players were serving well but they felt precise and solid when I was successful.
So... I still need some time to get used to the PB10 Mid. Though it serves great I still think it swings too light with my groundstrokes. Maybe I 'll add another 5 grams at 12 in order to increase the swingweight.
Besides I need to customize the grip shape a bit more. I prefer a bit thicker and more square shape. I already put 2 layers of Tesa extra power tape at the top and bottom pallet faces. So I 'll add another layer.
Thanks for the feedback and sharing your experiences with the PB10 Mid. So in conclusion you could say that in stock form it's a great serve and volley stick (i.e. excellent for doubles), but lacks a bit of swingweight for the groundstrokes (i.e. not terrific for baseline play)?
(By the way, what is your rating according to the Dutch rating system? Just curious.)
The stick was designed 10 pts head light to be customized for what is standard practice for the level of play for which it was designed.
It plays fine stock for a few, but it was not designed to play straight off the rack.
Yes it is like you concluded. Though it is very arm friendly racquet with a great control it needs more weight into the hoop for a more solid and powerful baseline game.
I used to play at level 4 (Dutch rating). And you?
Thanks for your confirmation. I 'll examine more my best setup with the PB10 Mid.
I also think it needs a crisp and powerful string. I prefer multi but I don't like too much string movement. What string do you recommend? (I read many posters use MSV Focus Hex 1.10).
I used to be a level 5 player when I was young, but I now (aged 35) only play at level 6 (Dutch rating). Trying to get better, but I just don't have enough time to play as often as I would like.
Being somewhat of a racquet junkie I'm always interested in trying something 'better'.
I found that the stick played real well with Volkl Gripper 17ga which I strung at 56M/52.5C. NRG2 worked and felt very similar.
I recently had three cortisone shots to reset my shoulder, so I don't mess with poly. However, I tried it once with Cyclone 17 ga/16 ga Legend gut at 50 lbs M/C, and it really played awesome. When my shoulder feels good, I may try it again.
A question for the Dutch guys: do you know how the USA rating system corresponds to our Dutch rating system? I've always guessed that a Dutch rating of 6 corresponds to a USA rating of about 4, but that's just a wild guess. I've never been able to find any info on this.
My apologies for taking the thread off topic. I recently bought a PB 10 mid too, because of it's supposed arm friendlyness. This stick only has enough power for me when I string it at low tensions. I really love how it plays with MSC Focus Hex 1.10 at 17 kilo (about 37,5 pound), but unfortunately a poly string at very low tensions is still a poly string... my arm doesn't like it too much.
Having looked at the US rating system, I'd consider myself a high 3.5 or low 4.0 player, so I guess you're probably right.
Perhaps instead of a relatively stiff poly like MSV Focus Hex you could try a softer co-poly like Kirschbaum Pro Line II or Volkl Cyclone. Or maybe even a powerful multifilament string like Tecnifibre X-one Biphase. Or a hybrid of those. And you could try adding a couple of grams of lead at 12 o'clock to increase the power level.
Yes, Dutch 6 is comparable with 3.5-4.0 USA. See this international rating comparison table.
Maybe it's hard to believe but I learned from the book Technical Tennis from Lindsey/Cross that strings or lower string tension don't really add power. So called power strings (or a lower tension) deflect more that 'll result into a higher ball traject. Through this you 'ĺl hit deeper into the court. That 'll give you the illussion that you hit harder. Of course you should read this book if you want to understand this. ;-)
Stiffness, headsize, racquet length, swingweight and racquet speed are the most important factors that contribute to the power potential of a racquet.
So... you can add weight to increase the power potential of the PB10 Mid as I did. IMO this is also the best way to increase the power of a frame because you should play with the heaviest (highest swingweight) frame you can still handle comfortably. Besides this 'll improve both the power and control whereas you 'll lose some control by lowering string tension (or with a so called more powerful string).
I added lead strips of 20cm at 12 (about 5g). It feels more solid and powerful but still too maneuverable to me. I think I 'll add even more weight.
Thanks for the info on the rating system. That table is really handy.
Thanks for the tips on strings I should try (I thought that MSV Focus Hex already was considered soft for a poly, but maybe I was wrong... I'll look into softer strings) and on string tension. With these low tensions, the ball trajectory indeed seems to be much higher. But isn't the size of the sweet spot also related to string tension? It may be just in my mind, but I really feel that racquets like the PB 10 Mid and the PB 9 play easier with low tensions... Anyway, it's interesting info.
True. A lower tension will increase the sweet area as well as adding weight into the hoop.
In that case you should first determine where you hit the ball most frequently.
Especially at 3 and 9 'll widen the sweet area. Adding weight at 10 and 2 or at the tip of the head 'll raise the sweet spot a bit.
I don't think the PB10 Mid needs more weight at 3 and 9 because of the DNX material in that area. It has enough torsional stability IMO as volleys feel rock solid to me.
That's why I prefer to add weight at 12. Furthermore it is very headlight in stock condition.
Concerning strings you can try a multi string like TF X-1 Biphase 17g that is very comfortable and lively as well. That is at least a lot more arm friendly than a poly string.
Okay, after weeks of demo-ing this frame, I just placed an order for a "matched" pair of PB10 Mids from TW and went with Kirschbaum Helix 17 @ 55lbs. I am totally psyched... Can't wait for Thursday.
I find it hard to believe that this racquet has not drawn out the kind of fervent support we see from the PSL or the 6.1 95 or the K/BLX 90 or the Prestige Mid. It's everything you could want in a player's frame and a great template for customization...
After a very happy time with PSTs, I'm ready for this next racquet phase...
Would be very curious to continue to explore optimal string & tension with this frame.
Allright PB 10er's I'm preforming a last second re-demo of the racquet in my sig and the PB 10 mid. I love the thinner beam and flex of the PB10, but can't get over the plow and control of the 6.1 95.
So I want to lead up the PB10 on my re-demo, whats the best lead set-up to increase plowthru?
I would start with 3 grams at 3 & 9.
Ok so i will make it quick, Just went out for a hit w the demo PB10 mid.
Put all the lead I had left(4gs) @ 12 and plowthru felt good in warm up. But once we moved on to something a little more competitive my balls from the base-line were coming off the racquet at the speed of light.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE this frame but i cant afford to lose the base-line smash ability from my all-court game.
So ne full fast swingers out there that has tamed this beast?
If so whats ur set-up, strings, tension, lead?
I would love to be converted my serve and volley game is unbreakable w this stick!
Thnx PB 10er's
It may be sound weird but keep adding weight at 12 (or where ever you want) till your racquet speed 'll be slower and your shots are landing just before the baseline due the higher sw.
Through the slower swing you 'll be able to hit with more precision as well. Finally you 'll discover your ideal (maximum) swingweight by this way.
I love this stick!!
5 minutes into the demo I decided to order the PB10.
It plays great at low tension and, for me, it does everything right.
Serves, volleys are fantastic, 1HBH is sweet, ground strokes silky smooth. I can generate plenty of topspin, (not as much as with my POG but after all the POG is a Spin Monster) but I can easily hit powerful flat shots without losing control. The stability if offers makes it so easy of block the opponents big serves...I could go on all day...
Big, Big Volkl PB 10 mid Fan!!!!
My matched PB10s arrived on Weds and I've played 3 sets with them. So far they're everything I was hoping for. 1HBH was the first to find a groove and then the forehand. I was dumping the early volleys into the net and then eventually figured it out. The most amazing thing about the way the racquet forces me to play (prepare earlier, swing smoothly) is the options I feel like have on both wings (loop it, flatten it) and it feels like i have a tiny bit more time to make that decision. It's also forcing me to use my feet more thoughtfully. I had a hard time adjusting my flat serve at first, but I seem to have started to find the sweetspot towards the end of my match. And so far happy with the Helix 1.25 at 55.
But I agree with the consensus above that the racquet seems a bit slight in stock form. I'll probably start toying with a bit of lead over the next few months.
My PB10mid in stock with gut and poly strings came out at 346 static weight and 6 pts headlight (32.4cm). Considering I was expecting the racket to be around 10pts headlight in stock I was hoping I could have room to experiment with lead tape. Well, considering that my stock racket is already 6pts something I would have achieved if my stock had been around the TW stated 10pts headlight mark - should I therefore consider adding any lead at 12 to see if I can get more pop? I reckon the balance would probably go around 5 pts if I add say 3 grams or so...any thoughts?
Just picked up 3, but I'm having quite a bit of trouble dialing it in. I'm coming from a KBlade 98 so that might have something to do with it. I feel I can find the sweetspot much more consistently with the KBlade whereas with the PB10 it's been very sporadic. Might have been the strings or I'm just not good enough to wield the racquet.
What's the string set up you are using in the PB10?
ALU Power mains, Duraflex crosses at an unknown tension. Came like that. Have never been a big fan of either string so that might be one reason. Finding the sweetspot just seemed really difficult though. I can hit with my friend's Tour 90 just fine though so it shouldn't be a headsize issue
Also, on the rare occasions I did find the sweetspot, it seemed kind of low on the string bed. I'm more used to it being higher up in the hoop so that could also be another reason.
Agree with your last point. The swee spot does seem slightly lower on the face than i am used to. I think that's why it took me a while to figure out how to serve effectively with it. Was consistently making contact on flat serves too high in the hoop. But now that I have adjusted my timing, I can't argue with the results...although I still think it needs a bit of added weight.
I'm using Kirschbaum Helix 17 at 55lbs for both mains and crosses. So far, so good.
same exact happened to me in the beginning. I picked it up because I have always got along well with all the 10 series Volkl rackets.
I got discouraged because I didn't play well with it in the beginning but after taking a break from it and picking it back up it got better everytime I used it. Now I think it is one of the best rackets that are still being made.
First get the racket strung to your specifications then keep using it. The change will happen pretty quickly and you will be happy it did.
Yea. I got pretty discourage when trying to warm up with the PB10. When I switched back to my normal racquet everything just seemed so much easier. Laying the PB10 on top of my KBlade, I'm pretty sure it's not a headsize issue cause there doesn't seem to be that big of a difference between the 98 and the 93. However, it just seemed like I was shanking a lot with the PB10. I'm looking to switch to the PB10 because it's softer to use as I'm playing through a SLAP tear injury.
Also, any ideas on raising the sweetspot aside from lead at 12 o'clock?
Lead @ 9 and 3 to raise sweet spot.
On both demos w the PB10 I had trouble dialing it in as it is the first mid size stick i have used, but I eventually mastered it. Not surprisingly all I had to do was play my best all the time lol. Cant be lazy w this stick, except on the 1HBH cant miss one of those w this stick.
Im getting my PB 10 in a week and chose it because it forces me to play @ my best on a more consistent basis, and accentuates the best parts of my game, serve, volley, transition, slice BH. Gonna be strung w Focus Hex 17g @ 58(too high?) and I decided on 7gs of @ 12 to start w as the 5gs @ 12 I have on the demo feel like Im on the right path. Cant wait!
Oh and both demos I received from TW either had redone grips w over grip or 3 OG's, so I have no idea what the grip really feels like.
I fear it is, as I have heard, more like the Head grip shape and less like the Wilson which I prefer.
How do u guys like the grip shape and what would u compare it too?
Yes, it's more oblong and Head-like. And the wrap itself is a bit slippery...may try swapping a leather grip and over grip... Also on one of the racquets one of the staples near the butt cap has started bulging out. Will have to gently tap it with a hammer to get it back in there...
Just a quick note, I added a little more back bend on my serve and am getting UNGODLY(satanic) kick w the PB10, I highly suggest all of u that can, safely, try that, do so. PERFECT for serve and volley.
I went out to hit w/ the PB10 again today. Restrung at my usual tension, definitely did hit a lot better. However, I still can't find the rhythm/consistency that I have w/ my KBlade. I don't know if I should keep trying it or just give up on it.
I don't find the control with the PB10 Mid either like you mentioned. I have much more feel and better directional control with my PK Black Ace 98. My slice bh feels much more comfortable as well. Maybe it is due the 18x20 string pattern.
So I definitely switched to my PK BA98.
I think it's mainly because the KBlade affords me a greater margin for error. I know my strokes aren't that great and I tend to be a bit lazy on the footwork/preparation.
Demo'd the PB10 Mid a couple of weeks ago and have just taken the plunge. Will have mine as soon as they can get the stock in. Have chosen to have them strung with NXT Tour 17 am yet to decide what tension though, am split between 55lbs and 56lbs...
Off-topic: if you're looking to sell your PB10 Mid, I may be interested....
My suggestion is keep at it w the PB 10 and it will make u a better player. Then for those days u wanna be a little lazy and PB10 is frustrating u, have another racquet to play that will help u out a little more.
Or sell me ur PB10:twisted: Ill pay well:twisted:
My 3 are virtually brand new. How much you want to pay, haha
I really struggled with my PB mid 10s for ages, and so nearly gave up on them. Now I have them weighted up to 377g (12 o'clock and handle to keep the original balance) and I could not be happier.
The extra weight means I really don't notice the grip shape anymore, and to be honest I don't really care what strings or tension I am using, that all seems redundant. I have gone from 65 to as low as 40lbs alupower BB.
All I seem to be aware of is the smooth swing and the soft feel, it is kind of effortless.
For serve I have made a slight grip adjustment to get a bit more index finger knuckle round, which results in a very heavy serve.
Compared with a K88 I found slightly less kick on serve, but none of that lag on the backhand where if you don't get the racket moving early enough you have had it.
PB Md10 is a racket you can really grow into and feel very comfortable with. Even if my results were suffering I would still want to use this racket, but they are better and my level of play does not drop significantly at points over a long match.
Hey guys. I just demoed the Volkl DNX 10 since it was on sale. After 5 minutes with it I fell in love. No other racquet compared to it for me. However, I found the PB10 and noticed that other than balance they are almost identical in terms of specs.
Is there any major reason to get the PB10 over the DNX 10 considering the price difference is $70+?
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