The Vampire Diaries thread

[Razer]

There you go again, trying to sway the discussion into a different direction from what it was originally about.

Of freaking course if we talk about TVD like it was a documentary, and we judge every character's actions and morals like we would if real lives were at stake, then every at least semi-important character in that show is a horrible person not valuing human or animal lives. But thankfully TVD isn't a documentary. And I'm our Delena vs Stelena discussion, it's very clear that when I call Damon "bad boy", when he was actually a serial killer murdering people for fun, and call Elena "good girl", I specifically mean their character romance tropes and not my evaluation of them if they were people and vampires in real life. Just like it's clear that when you say you and majority of people liked Delena, it's not because you like serial killers.

Then again, it would seem you understood that we're not discussing these characters from real life POV. Given that you referred to Alaric, Jeremy, Bonnie as good when they did the exact same thing Elena did in terms of being buddy-buddy with serial killers. And yet you still chose to make it seem like I was wrong because I didn't account for something, when you also didn't account for that to make your previous argument.

You can never just let go of trying to prove that you're singularly right, so you will twist and turn, and pile on irrelevant arguments until we're miles away from the original debate. It's makes for a rather frustrating experience.

Well no, I am not diverting it to a different direction, not intentionally, it is just that my views on characters keep on changing with time. The more you binge-watch a show in a few years time, the more your views are prone to change.

In Season 1, I too was all Stelena and I too disliked Damon for killing Lexi, I used to respect Stefan's character as well. I used to consider Caroline and Jeremy as total chumps, infact they were, then season 2-3 onwards slowly these characters evolved into more mature characters, so I started to like them. Elena started to look manipulative, self obsessed with time. Stefan started to look like a crybaby more often, I also started to appreciate Damon's evolution into a more reasonable character. Like he was doing bad things in season 3-4 etc etc but now he was doing them for a reason, so he was worth forgiving now, but in season 1 he is just killing for fun.. So when I say Elena is source of all problems then it is after weighing in all of her actions throughout the show and watching it again and again.

Like now when I watch season 1 I remember that Elena did tell Stefan about her relationship with her ex Matt that it was not "passionate". Now seasons later the same applies to Stefan instead of Matt, when Damon arrives in her life she is finding him more passionate and exciting, thats why she dumped Stefan. So what do we learn here? We learn Elena herself is looking excitement in a relationship, thrill, that what Damon provides so Delena is better than Stelena

By the way, Bonnie did try to kill off these vamps on many occasions, she just couldn't, she was emotionally manipulated into helping them all for Elena. I dare say Elena used her for her magic. Vampire Elena treats people very badly like dirt in the show. She is not a good character. I truly believe Bonnnie was a good character, even Donovan & Jeremy are forced to play along, they loathe vampires but if they dont play along then they will get bullied. Already Matt gets pushed around too much in the show, if I was matt then I would find ways to kill off Damon, Stefan & Vamp Elena all of em. Thats just me, I imagine myself in multiple characters' shoes at time and think what would I do in such circumstances....




Ahh probably I do have a bit of a bad habit of trying to win arguments by stretching it, I donno, nevermind, don't be frustrated over it, just chill It is Ok to ship for Stelena as well. I never get angry over online debates/discussions. The internet is supposed to make us feel good, not upset.

 

[Razer]

Who’s the GOAT vampire?

I think Blade is the GOAT Vampire.

Wesley Snipes is just too cool.

 

[Beerus]

Stakoline is the best ship.

 

[Razer]

Stakoline is the best ship.

Lets Burn elena's coffin

 

[Beerus]

John Gilbert was a hero.

 

[Razer]

John Gilbert was a hero.

His intentions were good I guess..
Caroline's dad too had good intentions, but he was kind of a psycho, extremist...
Sheriff Forbes and Carol Lockwood were good people, they were forced to support their kids as they had no choice.

 

[The Fedfather]

Well no, I am not diverting it to a different direction, not intentionally, it is just that my views on characters keep on changing with time. The more you binge-watch a show in a few years time, the more your views are prone to change.

In Season 1, I too was all Stelena and I too disliked Damon for killing Lexi, I used to respect Stefan's character as well. I used to consider Caroline and Jeremy as total chumps, infact they were, then season 2-3 onwards slowly these characters evolved into more mature characters, so I started to like them. Elena started to look manipulative, self obsessed with time. Stefan started to look like a crybaby more often, I also started to appreciate Damon's evolution into a more reasonable character. Like he was doing bad things in season 3-4 etc etc but now he was doing them for a reason, so he was worth forgiving now, but in season 1 he is just killing for fun.. So when I say Elena is source of all problems then it is after weighing in all of her actions throughout the show and watching it again and again.

Like now when I watch season 1 I remember that Elena did tell Stefan about her relationship with her ex Matt that it was not "passionate". Now seasons later the same applies to Stefan instead of Matt, when Damon arrives in her life she is finding him more passionate and exciting, thats why she dumped Stefan. So what do we learn here? We learn Elena herself is looking excitement in a relationship, thrill, that what Damon provides so Delena is better than Stelena

By the way, Bonnie did try to kill off these vamps on many occasions, she just couldn't, she was emotionally manipulated into helping them all for Elena. I dare say Elena used her for her magic. I truly believe she was a good character, even Donovan & Jeremy are forced to play along, they loathe vampires but if they dont play along then they will get bullied. Already Matt gets pushed around too much in the show, if I was matt then I would find ways to kill off Damon, Stefan & Vamp Elena all of em. Thats just me, I imagine myself in multiple characters shoes at time and think what would I do in such circumstances....




Ahh probably I do have a bit of a bad habit of trying to win arguments by stretching it, I donno, nevermind, don't be frustrated over it, just chill It is Ok to ship for Stelena as well. I never get angry over online debates/discussions. The internet is supposed to make us feel good, not upset.

I get what you're saying and sure, agree with these points about Elena. I didn't particularly love her character myself, not even in the first seasons. But I wasn't making a deep five into the very flawed characters of TVD there, was I? I called out the good girl/bad guy romance trope, which Elena most certainly fit into. She was mostly trying to do well by others, at least in a superficial way, and showed disdain and reprehension for Damon's less than noble actions and intentions. Again, this trope appeals to people because it's dynamic, and can consistently ramp up the unresolved tension between characters. And when it comes to unresolved tension between an attractive man and woman, many people feel that the way to resolve it is for them to be lovers. For girls and women in particular, I think it's a power trip, in a way, the trope of an attractive guy being so infatuated with a girl that he'll fight for her affection even if she treats him like nothing.

Anyway, I do get angry and frustrated over online discussions because at its core it's a conversation that involves me. If I have no emotional stake in a convo, I just don't participate in it in the first place.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

@Poisoned Slice is in the TVD gang too? There's 4 of us

I've never watched the show. None of these guys like me here so I guess I was just being annoying.

But thank you for at least saying hello.

 

[Razer]

I get what you're saying and sure, agree with these points about Elena. I didn't particularly love her character myself, not even in the first seasons. But I wasn't making a deep five into the very flawed characters of TVD there, was I? I called out the good girl/bad guy romance trope, which Elena most certainly fit into. She was mostly trying to do well by others, at least in a superficial way, and showed disdain and reprehension for Damon's less than noble actions and intentions. Again, this trope appeals to people because it's dynamic, and can consistently ramp up the unresolved tension between characters. And when it comes to unresolved tension between an attractive man and woman, many people feel that the way to resolve it is for them to be lovers. For girls and women in particular, I think it's a power trip, in a way, the trope of an attractive guy being so infatuated with a girl that he'll fight for her affection even if she treats him like nothing.

Anyway, I do get angry and frustrated over online discussions because at its core it's a conversation that involves me. If I have no emotional stake in a convo, I just don't participate in it in the first place.

IMO Elena's character fits the bill of a good girl probably till season 3, but she stopped being that once she became a vampire as now she was quite grey shaded. I used to always consider Matt as boring and useless character (who should be killed off) in season 1-3, but later in season 4 when I saw Damon and Stefan bullying him on how he should feel thankful everyday that he is alive at the cost of elena, how he should feel regret and what not, I felt bad for him. That how hate for leads starts to develop slowly and steadily when they treat other characters as sh*t. Mind you Elena used to treat many characters badly season 4 onwards, she became much worse than Katherine I believe.

Damon's intentions became noble from season 2 onwards I think so ? Yes she did slap him initially when he tried to kiss her but later Damon did show that he cannot treat Elena the way he treats Caroline, so he did not force himself on her like he did with Caroline. The point is Damon's character has constantly evolved into being more and more likeable, thats why audience shipped Delena and forced Julie Plec to twist the story that way. He became good once he found love from Elena, at least when she started to reciprocate a little bit, finally she fell for him and dumped Stefan.

You are right about the power trip but it worked both way. She became content with wrapping them around her fingers and using them as bodyguards. She did treat Damon badly and later Stefan badly, they both were just content at being one of her options. All this was fun for a viewer like me till season 5, I lost interest once Silas was shown to be Stefan, then the travellers, then some augustine villians, then some heretics, then some sirens and in the end some guy called CADE who is some local version of Lucifer? lol.....The downfall of the quality of villains and the stagnant plot of the leads in mystic falls really made me lose interest. I used to wait every week for the new episode, that eagerness died.

 

[CoolCoolCool]

Peak Nina in straights.

 

[Beerus]

 

[TheNachoMan]

This is more heated than most political threads on here. I’m impressed.

 

[Razer]

Lord Elijah Teaching Damon some Manners .... nice scene....Respect for Elijah has always been there in the show, top class personality.

 

[Razer]

This is more heated than most political threads on here. I’m impressed.

Few years ago the debates were more heated on facebook and on the wiki forums.... now it has died down since the show ended.

Politics is evergreen, Russia-Ukraine crisis has taken political fights it its apex in recent times.

 

[Beerus]

I would have killed Damon in season 4 and end the show with season 5.

 

[Razer]

I would have killed Damon in season 4 and end the show with season 5.

Damon, Stefan, Elena all did die technically, it is just that Stefan returned, Damon didn't.

Which again makes me wonder, did Elena ever love Stefan ? Remember how upset Elena was when Damon didn't make it, she didn't cry for Bonnie, she didn't care for her ex (whom she care for her in her own words) Stefan safely being back from the dead, but she was all Damon Damon Damon. This makes me wonder, is she just a bad self obsessed person or was Stelena a total fake ship? See I've been telling ya, Delena is the real deal

 

[TheNachoMan]

Matt Damon is a great actor and a cool guy.

 

[Razer]

When I was a kid I used to have trouble differentiating between the faces of Matt Damon and Mark Whalberg ... for some reasons these people looked same, later on they started to look distinguishable to me.

 

[Beerus]

If I were a writer, Silas would be the final villain. Damon would burn in the sun in season 4. Silas would torture Caroline and then stake her. The Mystic Falls gang would beat Silas in season 5 and the show would end with Stefan and Elena being both human.

Now I am only a fan of early seasons. They ruined the show later with too many things.

 

[The Fedfather]

IMO Elena's character fits the bill of a good girl probably till season 3, but she stopped being that once she became a vampire as now she was quite grey shaded. I used to always consider Matt as boring and useless character (who should be killed off) in season 1-3, but later in season 4 when I saw Damon and Stefan bullying him on how he should feel thankful everyday that he is alive at the cost of elena, how he should feel regret and what not, I felt bad for him. That how hate for leads starts to develop slowly and steadily when they treat other characters as sh*t. Mind you Elena used to treat many characters badly season 4 onwards, she became much worse than Katherine I believe.

Damon's intentions became noble from season 2 onwards I think so ? Yes she did slap him initially when he tried to kiss her but later Damon did show that he cannot treat Elena the way he treats Caroline, so he did not force himself on her like he did with Caroline. The point is Damon's character has constantly evolved into being more and more likeable, thats why audience shipped Delena and forced Julie Plec to twist the story that way. He became good once he found love from Elena, at least when she started to reciprocate a little bit, finally she fell for him and dumped Stefan.

You are right about the power trip but it worked both way. She became content with wrapping them around her fingers and using them as bodyguards. She did treat Damon badly and later Stefan badly, they both were just content at being one of her options. All this was fun for a viewer like me till season 5, I lost interest once Silas was shown to be Stefan, then the travellers, then some augustine villians, then some heretics, then some sirens and in the end some guy called CADE who is some local version of Lucifer? lol.....The downfall of the quality of villains and the stagnant plot of the leads in mystic falls really made me lose interest. I used to wait every week for the new episode, that eagerness died.

After season 1, I was mostly watching for the Stefan and Damon hate bromance tbh. I wanted Stetrine to happen, but they kept teasing a great dynamic and then completely ruined it by practically cutting Kat from the show, focusing on Delena and Stefan being heartbroken, and then making up random ships. I kinda stopped watching regularly after season 3, though I am aware of events that happened after. The first two season were really fun to watch as a kid though, and I still have nice memories about it.

 

[TheNachoMan]

The first two season were really fun to watch as a kid though, and I still have nice memories about it.

I was watching teletubbies as a kid, you were watching vampires. You’re way cooler than me.

 

[The Fedfather]

If I were a writer, Silas would be the final villain. Damon would burn in the sun in season 4. Silas would torture Caroline and then stake her. The Mystic Falls gang would beat Silas in season 5 and the show would end with Stefan and Elena being both human.

Now I am only a fan of early seasons. They ruined the show later with too many things.

Even Silas for me was redundant. There being one doppelganger and eternal originals crowd being the most powerful beings, Klaus wanting to create hybrids - all the was more than enough to stretch it for 4 seasons, with Elena becoming a vampire not in an unfortunate incident, but as a means to save everyone from Klaus. Then that causes Klaus' rage and they all keep on trying to find a way to defeat him, while both Stefan and Damon come to terms with Elena being a vampire and what that means for their love triangle. The end should've been something ambiguous regarding their relationship, because why not? They could just foreshadow that they will have literal eternity to figure it out and we as mortal viewers can only have theories as to how their paths will end up. Stefan should've finished with some profound entry in his diary about life. The end.

 

[The Fedfather]

I was watching teletubbies as a kid, you were watching vampires. You’re way cooler than me.

My personality peaked when I was watching Supernatural

 

[TheNachoMan]

My personality peaked when I was watching Supernatural

My mom likes that show too. Yeah, you’d get along. lol

 

[Beerus]

Even Silas for me was redundant. There being one doppelganger and eternal originals crowd being the most powerful beings, Klaus wanting to create hybrids - all the was more than enough to stretch it for 4 seasons, with Elena becoming a vampire not in an unfortunate incident, but as a means to save everyone from Klaus. Then that causes Klaus' rage and they all keep on trying to find a way to defeat him, while both Stefan and Damon come to terms with Elena being a vampire and what that means for their love triangle. The end should've been something ambiguous regarding their relationship, because why not? They could just foreshadow that they will have literal eternity to figure it out and we as mortal viewers can only have theories as to how their paths will end up. Stefan should've finished with some profound entry in his diary about life. The end.

That's good. You should be a TVD writer, lol.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

 

[TheNachoMan]

He looks like he wants to sell me a used car

 

[Poisoned Slice]

He looks like he wants to sell me a used car

lol

 

[Beerus]

I liked Silas though. Having someone even more powerful than Originals would be cool. I liked how he was trapped for 2000 years and believed to be just a myth.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

His eyes are almost as powerful as Mike O'Hearn's. Almost feel like I'm under somebody else control when I dare to look at that avatar.

 

[Razer]

After season 1, I was mostly watching for the Stefan and Damon hate bromance tbh. I wanted Stetrine to happen, but they kept teasing a great dynamic and then completely ruined it by practically cutting Kat from the show, focusing on Delena and Stefan being heartbroken, and then making up random ships. I kinda stopped watching regularly after season 3, though I am aware of events that happened after. The first two season were really fun to watch as a kid though, and I still have nice memories about it.

I guess Katherine was too evil a character and she was show as petty and evil, so I guess there never was any scope for shipping with her.
For me TVD was during late teen years and in 20s, I guess I too overwatched it beyond its expiry date..

Even Silas for me was redundant. There being one doppelganger and eternal originals crowd being the most powerful beings, Klaus wanting to create hybrids - all the was more than enough to stretch it for 4 seasons, with Elena becoming a vampire not in an unfortunate incident, but as a means to save everyone from Klaus. Then that causes Klaus' rage and they all keep on trying to find a way to defeat him, while both Stefan and Damon come to terms with Elena being a vampire and what that means for their love triangle. The end should've been something ambiguous regarding their relationship, because why not? They could just foreshadow that they will have literal eternity to figure it out and we as mortal viewers can only have theories as to how their paths will end up. Stefan should've finished with some profound entry in his diary about life. The end.

That Atticus Shane Dude as Silas could have been a better option, he had some creepiness associated with the plot and some hype could have been generated, they totally goofed up with Paul as Silas. That was the end of any potential, they started off with shane explaining the importance of the tombstone in a biblical sort of narration and they end up with stefan as silas, lol....

I would say the show had a lot of potential, they could have explored bigger villians. The Originals show was also a bore after its initital 3 seasons I guess, the last 4th and 5th seem nonsense to me. Instead they could have introduced all these wonder characters of the originals as a parallel plot in TVD and created a solid storylines for season 5 to season 8, they could have even gone till 10..... as a writer I see a lot of potential in the show, they just threw it all away.

Then they started some new level of garbage called Legacies with teens and punks as actors, very bad actors and no relevance. God knows who watches the story of Klaus's daughter Hope and her journeys growing up, it seems Caroline, Alaric are all in that show. That show is too boring for me to even notice, I have not watched an episode of it..... thankfully now I cannot tolerate all this.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

 

[Razer]

I liked Silas though. Having someone even more powerful than Originals would be cool. I liked how he was trapped for 2000 years and believed to be just a myth.

Thats where the show True Blood rules over TVD and other shows, the folklore and suspense factor is intact at least till its second last season.

True Blood too has the same theme of a love triangle, but it introduces older and serious villians right till the end of season 6. then season 7 was crap and then ended the show.

 

[Razer]

My personality peaked when I was watching Supernatural

Supernatural is a great show, you've watched that ? In fact it is a cult show, the GOAT show in this supernatural genre.

When did you watch it ? I used it watch even before TVD, it has been a part of like half my life, very significant show.... ... My fav tv show of all time.

For me it is on par with Game of Thrones.

I was watching teletubbies as a kid, you were watching vampires. You’re way cooler than me.

Weren't you watch John Cena ?

omg teletubbles... what is that ? that is not even cartoons bruh

 

[Razer]

This fellow was there in the Ghost Rider movie.....a son of satan types character....

 

[TheNachoMan]

Weren't you watch John Cena ?

omg teletubbles... what is that ? that is not even cartoons bruh

Wrestling was the edgiest thing i was allowed to watch as a kid. lol

 

[Beerus]

Stefan and Kristina is my favorite ship.

 

[Razer]

Wrestling was the edgiest thing i was allowed to watch as a kid. lol

That is ironic because wrestling in mid-late 00s was too PG friendly, the wrestling of late 90s was too much Rated R. I donno how 2010s decade or today's wrestling is, not watched it in 2010s decade, probably I m guessing it has become more PG friendly than ever ?

 

[Razer]

Stefan and Kristina is my favorite ship.

Who is Kristina ?

 

[TheNachoMan]

Who is Kristina ?

You don’t wanna know.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

This fellow was there in the Ghost Rider movie.....a son of satan types character....

He's a pretty dark characer in Yellowstone, but still not sure how it is all going to end up for him.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Wrestling was the edgiest thing i was allowed to watch as a kid. lol

Kid me would have appreciated the same thing. I know I've told the nightmare on elm street story before. Watched part 3 before I was ready and no other horror character has able to match up, despite how scary the movie might be. Scared me until I was old enough to think, he goes after kids, more or less, so I'm too old for him now.

Yeah, Freddy messed me up. Stick to Vampires. They're alright.

 

[Beerus]

Who is Kristina ?

She was my 40-15

 

[Razer]

He's a pretty dark characer in Yellowstone, but still not sure how it is all going to end up for him.

wow...checked its wikipedia....Kevin Kostner in a a tv show.... must be really good...

Kid me would have appreciated the same thing. I know I've told the nightmare on elm street story before. Watched part 3 before I was ready and no other horror character has able to match up, despite how scary the movie might be. Scared me until I was old enough to think, he goes after kids, more or less, so I'm too old for him now.

Yeah, Freddy messed me up. Stick to Vampires. They're alright.

Thats true, I too have seen some scary films in kid days, actual horror. That kind of stuff messes with the young mind.

Compared to that the friendly vampires and hunters from american shows are fine for kids...

 

[The Fedfather]

I guess Katherine was too evil a character and she was show as petty and evil, so I guess there never was any scope for shipping with her.
For me TVD was during late teen years and in 20s, I guess I too overwatched it beyond its expiry date..




That Atticus Shane Dude as Silas could have been a better option, he had some creepiness associated with the plot and some hype could have been generated, they totally goofed up with Paul as Silas. That was the end of any potential, they started off with shane explaining the importance of the tombstone in a biblical sort of narration and they end up with stefan as silas, lol....

I would say the show had a lot of potential, they could have explored bigger villians. The Originals show was also a bore after its initital 3 seasons I guess, the last 4th and 5th seem nonsense to me. Instead they could have introduced all these wonder characters of the originals as a parallel plot in TVD and created a solid storylines for season 5 to season 8, they could have even gone till 10..... as a writer I see a lot of potential in the show, they just threw it all away.

Then they started some new level of garbage called Legacies with teens and punks as actors, very bad actors and no relevance. God knows who watches the story of Klaus's daughter Hope and her journeys growing up, it seems Caroline, Alaric are all in that show. That show is too boring for me to even notice, I have not watched an episode of it..... thankfully now I cannot tolerate all this.

They had Klaus fall in love with Caroline and kept dragging this romance all the way through legacies, but Katherine was too evil? I think it was probably contingent on Nina being the actress for Elena and Kat, so they had to make a choice of prioritising screentime. I understand, of course, why they went with Elena continuing being the center of all plotlines, Delena being the focus. I understand, but don't care, it was not interesting for me lol

I think by season 3 they were already milking the plot and characters at the cost of quality. I'm afraid to think what season 10 would look like.

 

[The Fedfather]

Supernatural is a great show, you've watched that ? In fact it is a cult show, the GOAT show in this supernatural genre.

When did you watch it ? I used it watch even before TVD, it has been a part of like half my life, very significant show.... ... My fav tv show of all time.

For me it is on par with Game of Thrones.

It was a pretty fun story with me becoming a Supernatural avid watcher. I had a really good childhood friend who was a fan and when I was maybe 10, he suggested we watch it together. As I understood later, he just really wanted to talk to someone about the show. He was like a big bro to me so I was pretty excited, even though I deffo was on a scaredy-cat side when it came to horror genre. So we watch the 1st episode (he wanted to start from the beginning for me), and though I really tried to seem cool about it, that crazy ghost mom was just too much for me. Mid episode my friend was like "okay, let's not traumatize you further". lol

So for a while we kind of strayed away from the topic of Supernatural, but then he apparently couldn't keep his love for the show to himself and when we were hanging out, which was practically every day, he'd ask me to play a game where he'd ask questions about the show and I needed try to guess the answers out of the options he was giving me. So like 'Who wants to be a millionaire' - Supernatural version. The premise probably sounds silly, but it really became a staple. I loved guessing answers to questions like "What was the name of the demon that killed Sam and Dean's mom?", then having him explain the answers, basically telling me about characters and plotlines in the show. And the more I listened, the more invested I was becoming in the whole thing.

After maybe a month of playing this game, I remember it so clearly - it was the start of summer holidays when I got home from again playing with my friend, it was almost midnight and out of the blue I got such an intense desire to watch Supernatural, that even while knowing I'll get scared, I decided to start the show. I was literally closing my eyes on every scary scene at first . But pretty much after getting through the first 3 episodes that night, got obsessed and bingewatched 5 seasons, probably around 5 episodes a day.

Not my favorite show, but up there, for sure.

 

[Razer]

They had Klaus fall in love with Caroline and kept dragging this romance all the way through legacies, but Katherine was too evil? I think it was probably contingent on Nina being the actress for Elena and Kat, so they had to make a choice of prioritising screentime. I understand, of course, why they went with Elena continuing being the center of all plotlines, Delena being the focus. I understand, but don't care, it was not interesting for me lol

I think by season 3 they were already milking the plot and characters at the cost of quality. I'm afraid to think what season 10 would look like.

Some Female Fans of Stefan were upset when Elena dumped Stefan in season 4, at that time Paul Wesley urged fans not to lose hope. He thought the relationship couldn’t be disregarded so easily as it had formed the core of Season 1. He maintained fans should hold onto hope Elena might return to Stefan. Ultimately, nothing of this sort happened and Stefan never became Elena’s love interest again. This was due to Delena being the demand of the audience, now imagine how low scope Katherine's character had for a parallel romance with Stefan ? 0 chance

If I am a writer, then I will go along with Delena and instead I will focus on the bigger picture, that is to build a real plot around Silas. The dude was 2000 years old, so why not show some background of that character and bring some characters of that level to the show ? Also I see no need for another show entirely based on the originals. Klaus, Mikael and others are 1000 years old, Silas was 2000, why not form a storyline that involves flashbacks and also involves a richer plot ? Silas should have been played by a badass actor with aura like Joshua Jackson, he would have been a real villain to be taken seriously.

IMO the biggest flaw of TVD was lack of villains, Damon was antagonistic in S1 along with some minor character. S2 had Klaus and Elijah. S3 had Ester, Mikael S4 was Silas. S5 onwards the weak era started because Klaus was no longer bad guy, he was on "good terms" with Damon and Elena, can you believe it ? He had even started to become Caroline's love interest by end of season 4, so that is where TVD went down, at least from.

From your Perspective I can understand, the first 2-3 seasons of Stelena memories all thrown away with a new couple.... especially the guy in it whom you perceived as a villian then..... must have sucked for sure....

 

[Razer]

It was a pretty fun story with me becoming a Supernatural avid watcher. I had a really good childhood friend who was a fan and when I was maybe 10, he suggested we watch it together. As I understood later, he just really wanted to talk to someone about the show. He was like a big bro to me so I was pretty excited, even though I deffo was on a scaredy-cat side when it came to horror genre. So we watch the 1st episode (he wanted to start from the beginning for me), and though I really tried to seem cool about it, that crazy ghost mom was just too much for me. Mid episode my friend was like "okay, let's not traumatize you further". lol

So for a while we kind of strayed away from the topic of Supernatural, but then he apparently couldn't keep his love for the show to himself and when we were hanging out, which was practically every day, he'd ask me to play a game where he'd ask questions about the show and I needed try to guess the answers out of the options he was giving me. So like 'Who wants to be a millionaire' - Supernatural version. The premise probably sounds silly, but it really became a staple. I loved guessing answers to questions like "What was the name of the demon that killed Sam and Dean's mom?", then having him explain the answers, basically telling me about characters and plotlines in the show. And the more I listened, the more invested I was becoming in the whole thing.

After maybe a month of playing this game, I remember it so clearly - it was the start of summer holidays when I got home from again playing with my friend, it was almost midnight and out of the blue I got such an intense desire to watch Supernatural, that even while knowing I'll get scared, I decided to start the show. I was literally closing my eyes on every scary scene at first . But pretty much after getting through the first 3 episodes that night, got obsessed and bingewatched 5 seasons, probably around 5 episodes a day.

Not my favorite show, but up there, for sure.

Is that the season 1-2 that you were watching as a kid ? Those are the only 2 seasons which are scary, at least for me, the first 2 were serious, lol. especially the first one, it is somewhat scary. 3 onwards it becomes a little less scary with all the jokes and stuffs, 4 onwards it becomes a fun exercise with castiel and other angels, season 5 is lucifer, that is amazing. 6 is war in heaven, becoming new god and all that.... at this point fear factor is vanished.... 7-10 are basically timepaas....a weak era type IMO.... 11th I liked, 12 onwards against weak plot and 15th was worst season ever, ended it on such a bad note....

Azael and Lucifer were cool viilians, later crowley and castiel are 2 fun characters, it is a good show.... what I like about the show is that it touched all sorts of mythology and urban legends .... Hated how they converted God into a jackass and Jack into God but other than that the experience was fun.

Supernatural in its last years also felt prey to lazy writing and maybe lack of budget, same as TVD I would say.

 

[The Fedfather]

Is that the season 1-2 that you were watching as a kid ? Those are the only 2 seasons which are scary, at least for me, the first 2 were serious, lol. especially the first one, it is somewhat scary. 3 onwards it becomes a little less scary with all the jokes and stuffs, 4 onwards it becomes a fun exercise with castiel and other angels, season 5 is lucifer, that is amazing. 6 is war in heaven, becoming new god and all that.... at this point fear factor is vanished.... 7-10 are basically timepaas....a weak era type IMO.... 11th I liked, 12 onwards against weak plot and 15th was worst season ever, ended it on such a bad note....

Azael and Lucifer were cool viilians, later crowley and castiel are 2 fun characters, it is a good show.... what I like about the show is that it touched all sorts of mythology and urban legends .... Hated how they converted God into a jackass and Jack into God but other than that the experience was fun.

Supernatural in its last year salso felt prey to lazy writing and maybe lack of budget, same as TVD I would say.

Yep, 1, 2 and 3 for me were scary. I was doing fine by season 2 on scary moments, but still the one that frightened me the most was season 3, episode 2 with the demon children. Murderous children scare the s*it out of me lol

And yeah, I absolutely loved seasons 1-3, 4 and 5 were cool, and then it was never the same after Sam came back from the dead.

 

[Razer]

Yep, 1, 2 and 3 for me were scary. I was doing fine by season 2 on scary moments, but still the one that frightened me the most was season 3, episode 2 with the demon children. Murderous children scare the s*it out of me lol

And yeah, I absolutely loved seasons 1-3, 4 and 5 were cool, and then it was never the same after Sam came back from the dead.

Yeah, 3rd season was scary too to some extent maybe.... I dont rem the S3E2, probably you are right, it must have scared you. 4 onwards I am sure nobody shall be scared. 1st one I could find some really creepy scenes, that lady in white on the road/in the backseat, all that is creepy stuff.....

Sam coming back from dead was interesting, the souless same angle and war in heaven... all fairly okayish, dip in intensity from season 5 for sure. What dissapointed me was the garbage they showed after season 12, they wasted these characters like michael, lucifer, empty, death etc etc. If God was to be defeated then they should have shown a larger picture involved more primordial entities and some epic way to bring him down. The way they showed it in the last season was total eww....