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Damon or Stefan?

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Moment when you realized that a guy who murdered her and her aunt is no longer a bad guy / even a dangerous guy for Elena.

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Likewise Klaus forgot that Elena plotted and murdered his brother. He is back in Mystic falls to save Elena just to impress Caroline

 
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The Fedfather said:
Even Silas for me was redundant. There being one doppelganger and eternal originals crowd being the most powerful beings, Klaus wanting to create hybrids - all the was more than enough to stretch it for 4 seasons, with Elena becoming a vampire not in an unfortunate incident, but as a means to save everyone from Klaus. Then that causes Klaus' rage and they all keep on trying to find a way to defeat him, while both Stefan and Damon come to terms with Elena being a vampire and what that means for their love triangle. The end should've been something ambiguous regarding their relationship, because why not? They could just foreshadow that they will have literal eternity to figure it out and we as mortal viewers can only have theories as to how their paths will end up. Stefan should've finished with some profound entry in his diary about life. The end.
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The more I think about it, this is how TVD should have ended. 10/10 ending. Worth rewatching.
 
Beerus said:
The more I think about it, this is how TVD should have ended. 10/10 ending. Worth rewatching.
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There is a similarity between Stefan Salvatore and Kai Parker

Both completed transition to a vampire by drinking their father's blood, that's how bad these characters were, cringe-worthy! :sick:

I feel sad for Stelena Fans that your bubble burst in the 4th season, but then Stefan was always too boring for such a bubble to last, he lacked the class of Lord Elijah, the passionate approach to life of Damon but he retained the savagery of Klaus (not a very likeable trait unless it is backed by charismatic personality which Klaus had and Stefan lacked).

In simple words : Stefan was the Murray of the Big 4 (Damon-Klaus-Elijah-Stefan) in the show. 8-B
 
In terms of charismatic personalities (males)

Rank 1 : Damon
Rank 2 : Klaus
Rank 3 : Elijah
Rank 4 : Marcel Gerard
Rank 5 : Stefan
Rank 6 : Alaric Saltzman (very solid personality but the plot does not allow him to rise up the ranks)
Rank 7 Mikael (this actor is superb, but he is too old and plot restricts him to a hateful villian ....he played the role of Balthazar in Supernatural)

Charismatic personalities (female)

Rank 1 : Elena/Katherine
Rank 2 : Caroline
Rank 3 : Rebekkah
Rank 4 : Bonnie
Rank 5 : Hayley

Among males Top 4 are superb actors, among ladies only top 1 is a superb actress

Originals succeeded and TVD flopped (after season 4) is because 3 superb male actors can make the show interesting but too much load on Damon's shoulders to run the show post season 4 in a thin plot, the Delena plot alone was carrying the show with irrelevant side actors and nonsense plots......and to make things worse Nina left the show in season 6 so she had to show in some coffin :-D:-D:-D


Trust me, I am not hater of Paul Wesley any means, he is a good guy and stefan himself was interest in season 1-2 as one of the leads, but then facts are what they are, acting skills are not so good and that shows.
 
I watched five seasons of this many years ago, one of my old flat mates was a huge fan and had them on DVD, coerced me into the series. Don't remember too much, especially about any love polygon drama that occurred.
 
If I have to add the tv show Supernatural characters as well to TVD universe and rate on charisma then rankings change

Rank 1 : Dean Winchester
Rank 2 : Damon
Rank 3 : Lucifer (played by Mark Pellegrino .... GOAT villain:cool:)
Rank 4 : Klaus
Rank 5 : Sam Winchester
Rank 6 : Elijah
Rank 7 : Marcel Gerard
Rank 8 : Stefan Salvatore
Rank 9 : Alaric Saltzman
Rank 10 : Castiel

Notice how Stefan drops to 8th spot when another TV show characters are added here, I am being generous to him, even Alaric should be ranked ahead of Stefan and Stefan should be at 9th in reality based on acting skills and on screen charisma.

If we add more Tv shows to this, this exercise becomes more interesting.
Like for example if I add Breaking Bad to this, then Heisenberg probably rises to rank 1 :D or maybe Dean remains at 1, it is debatable. But definitely they shall push Stefan further below in the hierarchy, Jesse Pinkman would also be rated above Stefan if I'm not mistaken.
 
rick kerr said:
If I have to add the tv show Supernatural characters as well to TVD universe and rate on charisma then rankings change

Rank 1 : Dean Winchester
Rank 2 : Damon
Rank 3 : Lucifer (played by Mark Pellegrino .... GOAT villain:cool:)
Rank 4 : Klaus
Rank 5 : Sam Winchester
Rank 6 : Elijah
Rank 7 : Marcel Gerard
Rank 8 : Stefan Salvatore
Rank 9 : Alaric Saltzman
Rank 10 : Castiel

Notice how Stefan drops to 8th spot when another TV show characters are added here, I am being generous to him, even Alaric should be ranked ahead of Stefan and Stefan should be at 9th in reality based on acting skills and on screen charisma.

If we add more Tv shows to this, this exercise becomes more interesting.
Like for example if I add Breaking Bad to this, then Heisenberg probably rises to rank 1 :D or maybe Dean remains at 1, it is debatable. But definitely they shall push Stefan further below in the hierarchy, Jesse Pinkman would also be rated above Stefan if I'm not mistaken.
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Shane is a badass.
 
Paul is the most charismatic in the TVD cast, from what I've seen.
Stefan is just a very different type of personality he needed to portray, and he's done a nice job with it, imo. And I enjoy watching charismatic and fun characters, don't get me wrong. Love Dean in Supernatural, Iron Man is my favorite in Marvel, always rooted for Captain Jack Sparrow, and the Joker in TDK is probably the most memorable character for me in anything I've watched.

However, for me, a character doesn't need to be charismatic and cracking jokes every other minute to be interesting. I do very much like the brooding noble hero types like Stefan, Batman or Captain America.

The good guys are often juxtaposed with the more fun - even if evil - characters, and the (relatively) kind protagonists often don't get their popularity dues for that reason. But it's not a coincidence that the serious good guys are often the leads. Many people love to root for charismatic anti-heroes so long as they are not actually forced into their POV as the primary one, where with someone like Damon, half of the first season you'll be watching a dude ruthlessly planning and executing murders, feeding on people, and stalking Elena.
 
The Fedfather said:
Paul is the most charismatic in the TVD cast, from what I've seen.
Stefan is just a very different type of personality he needed to portray, and he's done a nice job with it, imo. And I enjoy watching charismatic and fun characters, don't get me wrong. Love Dean in Supernatural, Iron Man is my favorite in Marvel, always rooted for Captain Jack Sparrow, and the Joker in TDK is probably the most memorable character for me in anything I've watched.

However, for me, a character doesn't need to be charismatic and cracking jokes every other minute to be interesting. I do very much like the brooding noble hero types like Stefan, Batman or Captain America.

The good guys are often juxtaposed with the more fun - even if evil - characters, and the (relatively) kind protagonists often don't get their popularity dues for that reason. But it's not a coincidence that the serious good guys are often the leads. Many people love to root for charismatic anti-heroes so long as they are not actually forced into their POV as the primary one, where with someone like Damon, half of the first season you'll be watching a dude ruthlessly planning and executing murders, feeding on people, and stalking Elena.
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Yes, my rating for Stefan is only for his on screen character and Paul's average acting skills. Not for his real life personality, in real life he certainly must be charismatic and interesting for sure.

I think Damon even as -ve in season 1 was still one of the 3 protagonists, he was never an antagonist. The romance angle is same as True Blood where there is a love triangle, Eric Northman is the damon like character in it, Sookie stackhouse is elena gilbert of that show, Bill Compton is the equivalent of Stefan Salvatore in it. Eric is also doing bad things in season 1 and 2, even in 3 he is shown so vile things but he becomes fan fav, eventually he mellows down for the love of Sookie ... In the end of the show, Bill asks Sookie to stake him and kill him, same as Stefan sacrificing for damon, they both die ..... sookie marries a human and leads a normal life in the show while in TVD damon and elena are together... these are only difference.....

In stark contrast, Klaus enters the show as an actual antagonist in season 2 (main villain who is hated by the leads), then remains villian in 3 and then even becomes a +ve character hanging around with these people by season 4, then he leaves for Originals where he is the protagonist.... that too is interesting evolution of character plot...

I guess acting matters too, Damon, Eric both became popular despite being bad boys and klaus jumped from antagonist to protagonist with his own show based on his acting, I dont think Julie Plec planned on making Klaus character epic, good acting has its own impact .... in contrast Paul killed off the role of Silas with his double role act, more than a 2000 years old man he seemed like a modern day dude...horrible acting.
 
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In Supernatural ..... Dean has lot of impact.... but Sam too has his own impact, he doesn't lack impact.

Mark Pellegrino as Lucifer is just too good.... I almost root for him even more than Dean in the show...... amazing role as an antagonist

Acting matters
 
Stefan and Davina were together in the show called Tell me a story. Too bad the show didn't last that long.

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The Fedfather said:
Many people love to root for charismatic anti-heroes so long as they are not actually forced into their POV as the primary one, where with someone like Damon, half of the first season you'll be watching a dude ruthlessly planning and executing murders, feeding on people, and stalking Elena.
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Also abusing Caroline. The man was an abuser.
 
Beerus said:
Also abusing Caroline. The man was an abuser.
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He was. They did make the narrative such that he was this kind of Casanova dream boat for girls, and young viewers especially don't question it much because most of them don't have a real life example of this as a reference point. But in reality, a dude of Damon's age constantly being around school, flirting and hitting on underage girls would be perceived as a creep by many adults at least, even if some girls liked him.
 
Beerus said:
Also abusing Caroline. The man was an abuser.
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Caroline and Vicki were 2 "victims" of Damon in Season 1.

Caroline was saved because she is a friend of Elena, however Vicki was not so lucky. Her best contact to Elena is her brother Matt who himself gets bullied too often by the salvatore brothers.
 
If I was Matt then I would have dated Rebekkah and got Salvatores killed by her, however 1 problem is that itself is a double edged sword, dealing with Rebekkah means Klaus kills her boyfriends first :rolleyes:
 
Lol
ngl, the show doesn't hold up well for me. Even some of the scenes I used to like in particular look childish and overdramatic more than anything. But it was genuinely very fun to watch back in the day
 
To like TVD one must have interest in the supernatural theme and one must also like romance based shows, if these 2 factors not there then public might find it to be absolute garbage. Plus the older a series gets (any genre) it starts to get outdated. I tried to watch "Friends" but found it super boring and annoying. The humor looks fake to me. Maybe thats because the show is actually from the 1990s and I cannot connect with it, it is a bit before my time for watching tv series. I found Friends very annoying but a lot of my friends like it....
 
rick kerr said:
To like TVD one must have interest in the supernatural theme and one must also like romance based shows, if these 2 factors not there then public might find it to be absolute garbage. Plus the older a series gets (any genre) it starts to get outdated. I tried to watch "Friends" but found it super boring and annoying. The humor looks fake to me. Maybe thats because the show is actually from the 1990s and I cannot connect with it, it is a bit before my time for watching tv series. I found Friends very annoying but a lot of my friends like it....
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Never even tried watching Friends, but every bit of the show I've seen (on yt, TikTok, and one time watched a couple episodes at a Friends themed cafe) didn't impress in any regard. But I also do know some people who liked it quite a bit, and I think this show is commonly recommended for learning English.
 
rick kerr said:
To like TVD one must have interest in the supernatural theme and one must also like romance based shows, if these 2 factors not there then public might find it to be absolute garbage. Plus the older a series gets (any genre) it starts to get outdated. I tried to watch "Friends" but found it super boring and annoying. The humor looks fake to me. Maybe thats because the show is actually from the 1990s and I cannot connect with it, it is a bit before my time for watching tv series. I found Friends very annoying but a lot of my friends like it....
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I never found Friends funny. Anything with a laugh track that’s trying to tell you “laugh now” doesn't sit right with me.
 
The Fedfather said:
Never even tried watching Friends, but every bit of the show I've seen (on yt, TikTok, and one time watched a couple episodes at a Friend's to themed cafe) didn't impress in any regard. But I also do know some people who liked it quite a bit, and I think this show is commonly recommended for learning English.
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Not sure about Friends being good for learning english, it is too basic. The shows for advanced GRE/GMAT level vocabulary are Frasiers, True Blood, Seinfeld, Glee... these are very good. One can also watch Suits, Boston Legal, The Practice ...lot of stuffs you can learn about law here, vocab will also improve...
TheNachoMan said:
I never found Friends funny. Anything with a laugh track that’s trying to tell you “laugh now” doesn't sit right with me.
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Same here, people laughing in the background is definitely not funny, it is forced laughter.

Beerus said:
I like the show's fashion and jewelry. It stayed with me.
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I watched the show on for the romance theme + the immortality theme, all got me fixated with it. Plus the lifestyle of Stefan and Damon seemed very cool at that time. These guys dont work, they just just wake up everyday in the morning, sip bourbon/wine, have lot of money, live in a mansion, attend high school for fun .... lol.... what a theme.....:-D:-D:-D .... It was very popular in my friends circle too.... I guess TVD is the perfect show for teens and people in 20s, anyone younger might not like it if you show them later, and others who have no interest in all this will find it too kiddish, melodramatic....
 
Among old TV Shows, I've watched "I Dream Of Jeannie". It is a comic fantasy supernatural theme based show from the 1960s and 1970s, Thats the only old Tv show that I've ever watched. Otherwise I cannot watch Tv shows that are pre 90s, I really struggle at it......
 
Lapis lazuli was used for the daylight amulets. A daylight amulet is a piece of jewelry with a lapis lazuli gemstone enchanted by witches, which help to protect vampires from the sunlight. That's why the rings and necklaces were blue.

Here are Damon's ring and Katherine's necklace.

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Beerus said:
Lapis lazuli was used for the daylight amulets. A daylight amulet is a piece of jewelry with a lapis lazuli gemstone enchanted by witches, which help to protect vampires from the sunlight. That's why the rings and necklaces were blue.

Here are Damon's ring and Katherine's necklace.

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In practice, it would make far more sense to make these life-protecting elements less obvious. A huge-ass ring or necklace you wear every day is just asking for trouble lol
 
The Fedfather said:
It was the scariest scene in the entire show lol
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Yea, it looked very gore, I wont say scary but it can be disturbing.
There are other scenes too, Elijah chops off Trevor's head with his hands. There are scenes where Stefan bites necks so hard that the head of the victim gets decapitated.

Compared to them Klaus kills in a smooth way. He is a killer but a polished killer. :-D
 
rick kerr said:
Yea, it looked very gore, I wont say scary but it can be disturbing.
There are other scenes too, Elijah chops off Trevor's head with his hands. There are scenes where Stefan bites necks so hard that the head of the victim gets decapitated.

Compared to them Klaus kills in a smooth way. He is a killer but a polished killer. :-D
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Yeah, there were gorier scenes, but Katherine bringing that knife down on them fingers was the only one that startled me, and my brain went into imagining what that pain felt like. It wasn't great :notworthy:
 
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