The WADA Director explains the appeal to the CAS. Decision likely around March

JMR

Hall of Fame
Soooooo, why did WADA appeal the Sinner case again? If WADA is an investigator in this ( maybe im still not understanding) but why does WADA appeal? What is their stake in what tennis decides to do or not do?
WADA is worried that Sinner's light punishment (prize money and ranking points forfeiture, but no suspension) will reduce the in terrorem effect of the anti-doping rules and reduce respect for WADA itself. WADA thinks that having athletes live in fear about the potential consequences of a positive drug test provides a valuable deterrent: "Ohmigod, even if it's not my fault, I could lose a year or two of playing time! I'd better crack some heads on my support staff so they don't get sloppy!" WADA therefore wants more aggressive interpretation and application of the strict liability aspect of the anti-doping code. No excuses, just bans!

Thus, Sinner is being pursued essentially for being a bad supervisor. WADA is not challenging the finding that no intentional PED use occurred (and really would have no basis for doing so). WADA is pushing for a narrow interpretation of the "no fault or negligence" safe haven so the ban hammer retains its weight.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
lol. Oh here we go. The red guardian himself has appeared to defend the honor of the eastern world. I swear to god you must have key words set on your computer anytime someone on here mentions Russia or China;)
Probably. He's not convincing anyone to believe certain countries' corrupt sports programs and clients were / are innocent, but he will continue wasting his time in the attempt.
 

RSJfan

Hall of Fame
… WADA therefore wants more aggressive interpretation and application of the strict liability aspect of the anti-doping code. No excuses, just bans!…

It’s hard to draw the conclusion that it’s more than a selective WADA policy:



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insideguy

G.O.A.T.
WADA is worried that Sinner's light punishment (prize money and ranking points forfeiture, but no suspension) will reduce the in terrorem effect of the anti-doping rules and reduce respect for WADA itself. WADA thinks that having athletes live in fear about the potential consequences of a positive drug test provides a valuable deterrent: "Ohmigod, even if it's not my fault, I could lose a year or two of playing time! I'd better crack some heads on my support staff so they don't get sloppy!" WADA therefore wants more aggressive interpretation and application of the strict liability aspect of the anti-doping code. No excuses, just bans!

Thus, Sinner is being pursued essentially for being a bad supervisor. WADA is not challenging the finding that no intentional PED use occurred (and really would have no basis for doing so). WADA is pushing for a narrow interpretation of the "no fault or negligence" safe haven so the ban hammer retains its weight.
Ok so WADA is concerned that if this is the punishment for one of their positive tests that its a slippery slope until no one gives out any punishment. Got it.
 

insideguy

G.O.A.T.
Probably. He's not convincing anyone to believe certain countries' corrupt sports programs and clients were / are innocent, but he will continue wasting his time in the attempt.

Probably. He's not convincing anyone to believe certain countries' corrupt sports programs and clients were / are innocent, but he will continue wasting his time in the attempt.
I honestly have no idea why there are people who live in the West who just reflexively come to the defense of Russia and China all the time. Sometimes it seems to me that these people have something invested in these countries or something. I honestly dont know. Maybe they can move there and report directly from the home base for all of us dumb western people.

But they wont.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The world is a nasty place with no good guys, except Greenland, and lots of nasty ones. Oh, wait, nice Greenland is going to be eaten for breakfast.

And, no, nice Sinner is not being eaten by WADA although hopefully CAS will "rub" him out.

I honestly have no idea why there are people who live in the West who just reflexively come to the defense of Russia and China all the time. Sometimes it seems to me that these people have something invested in these countries or something. I honestly dont know. Maybe they can move there and report directly from the home base for all of us dumb western people.

But they wont.
 

RSJfan

Hall of Fame
Ok so WADA is concerned that if this is the punishment for one of their positive tests that its a slippery slope until no one gives out any punishment. Got it.

Or WADA is using tennis to try to resuscitate its tattered reputation. And The Carrot is a casualty of this WADA PR effort.

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insideguy

G.O.A.T.
Or WADA is using tennis to try to resuscitate its tattered reputation. And The Carrot is a casualty of this WADA PR effort.

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LOL. Well you could be right. I dont know. I dont have much knowledge base when it comes to testing and punishment in these international sports. Thats why I ask the questions.

Hell I barely understand the USA various sports and their testing procedures.

I do know in baseball, it's 6 months and a fine first time caught. 1 year and a fine next time. And banned from the game the third time. But that being said, I dont really know exactly what they are looking for when testing in baseball and if it's as comprehensive as these WADA tests are for Tennis. And the other three big sports? NFL, NBA, NHL? Man I dont have a clue.

I will say I dont hear a ton of stories about NFL guys getting busted for PEDs which is laughable on its face.
 

albertobra

Hall of Fame
Physiotherapist didn't know that there was an illegal substance in that spray? A highly qualified professional (I assume so for being a physio of #1 in the world), didn't know? Very strange.....
It looks more like it's the builted excuse case Sinner would be caught positive.
For me Sinner was taking the substance regularly with controlled timing knowing when tests could happen. But something went wrong with calculations and was caught with a small quantity that should have not appeared. Probably didn't clean in his body in time as expected.
The physio excuse was there ready case it was needed.

And I am a Sinner fan. But I am not blind.
 
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Mustard

Bionic Poster
Or WADA is using tennis to try to resuscitate its tattered reputation. And The Carrot is a casualty of this WADA PR effort.

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The episode of The Twilight Zone, called The Bard, where Burt Reynolds clearly takes the **** out of Marlon Brando, was hilarious. It's the obvious origin of their decades long feud.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
I honestly have no idea why there are people who live in the West who just reflexively come to the defense of Russia and China all the time. Sometimes it seems to me that these people have something invested in these countries or something. I honestly dont know.

It could be a number of reasons, including some sociopolitical leaning (native or adopted), leading to the kid of blind defense of corrupt governments seen with certain members. They never have a leg to stand on (regarding general policy, sports programs, etc.), yet they spend their every waking day trying to sell the idea that clear evidence of guilt in the PED case(s) is not what said evidence concludes it to be.


Maybe they can move there and report directly from the home base for all of us dumb western people.

But they wont.

Which makes them hypocrites for living off the benefits and access of the kind of government they scream against.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Wilful blindness is much in evidence, see above, even when it's irrelevant to the topic of Sinner's alleged misdeeds!
 
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RSJfan

Hall of Fame
I honestly have no idea why there are people who live in the West who just reflexively come to the defense of Russia and China all the time. Sometimes it seems to me that these people have something invested in these countries or something. I honestly dont know. Maybe they can move there and report directly from the home base for all of us dumb western people.

But they wont.
I think you can get paid .07 yuan per pro-CCP/Russian post which is about a US penny. You can also earn bonus money up to another penny depending on the level of engagement generated from your post. So if you continually monitor TTW and meet the CCP requirements it can add up. Some of the more prodigious trolls can rake in an extra dollar or so per week.

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The ignore button is very easy to push. Let them post into the void.:)

Please do not confuse my fav Dr Raul with these other scoundrels. His opinions are genuine and not for sale.
 
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Mustard

Bionic Poster
I honestly have no idea why there are people who live in the West who just reflexively come to the defense of Russia and China all the time.
Isn't it obvious? We are sick of US imperialism's warmongering. When did China last invade a country? Russia have done so a handful of times, like Afghanistan 1979-1989 and Ukraine 2022-present. The US has done it all over the world in countless countries for decades on end. The worst one of all isn't talked about enough, i.e. Indonesia 1965-1967. Operation Menu in Cambodia is another atrocity that leaves one's jaw on the floor.

Read the wikipedia article below. It's a pretty long one:


Even now, the US are still embargoing Cuba, after over 60 years.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The Soviet Union did not invade Afghanistan. It was invited into the country by the legal government of the country fearful of foreign-backed fighters.

PS:

Carter signed the order for military support to the insurgency in Afghanistan on July 3, 1979.

Isn't it obvious? We are sick of US imperialism's warmongering. When did China last invade a country? Russia have done so a handful of times, like Afghanistan 1979-1989 and Ukraine 2022-present. The US has done it all over the world in countless countries for decades on end. The worst one of all isn't talked about enough, i.e. Indonesia 1965-1967. Operation Menu in Cambodia is another atrocity that leaves one's jaw on the floor.

Read the wikipedia article below. It's a pretty long one:


Even now, the US are still embargoing Cuba, after over 60 years.
 
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Mustard

Bionic Poster
The Soviet Union did not invade Afghanistan. It was invited into the country by the legal government of the country fearful of foreign-backed fighters.
Look up Hafizullah Amin. The Soviet bureaucracy decided to invade Afghanistan because they were worried about the effect that the Afghan government's conflict with jihadists was having on Muslims in the Soviet Union who lived near the Afghan border. That, in turn, gave US imperialism the excuse to openly fund and back jihadis against the Soviets and the Saur revolutionaries in Afghanistan.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
There needs to be an inquiry into the Sinner fiasco if CAS suspends him from the game for a significant length of time.
 
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THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
I think you can get paid .07 yuan per pro-CCP/Russian post which is about a US penny. You can also earn bonus money up to another penny depending on the level of engagement generated from your post. So if you continually monitor TTW and meet the CCP requirements it can add up. Some of the more prodigious trolls can rake in an extra dollar or so per week.
Such as the one with a post above yours, which i'm quoting.
 

Rafa4LifeEver

G.O.A.T.
So it took wada exactly 1 year to give final results. The whole process is now full of corruption. First it took 6 months to see the story come out and now 6 months after first clearance.

Sinner may be 30 by the time they finally give final final result.

Corrupt

From the top to bottom.
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Speak truth from the bottom of your heart
 
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