The way Djokovic went down in straight sets tells me something was up

TripleATeam

G.O.A.T.
Let the excuses flow

When Fed lost to Anderson at Wimbledon 2018 after a slip in the third set, Fed fans were mocked by Novak fans for suggesting an injury.

It turns out after the USO series, Fed admitted to a hand injury.

I’m personally not going to allow room for excuses when Novak’s fan base didn’t allow it.
No need for excuses. Novak lost to the better player today.
 
He broke the Medvedev serve just once, and that was at the very end when he was already 2-0 down in sets and like 5-1 down in the final set and the crowd were putting Medvedev off. Straight sets is just not right. Accumulated fatigue maybe? Massive nerves of the occasion? Didn't expect Medvedev to play at such a high level? If he lost in a 5 setter, fair enough. But straight sets, come on... he didn't look himself at all. Didn't show the usual determination that he does.
A phone call from Putin
 

Russeljones

G.O.A.T.
I'm arguing that his body failed him today. He had a tough draw and too many hours on court. It's a well-deserved victory for Medvedev, but no harbinger of doom for Djokovic.
So this is a disclaimer against anyone saying Medvedev did his job? Please remember that Djokovic was being lauded as being in prime shape. The draw comment is laughable.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The draw comment is accurate and made by nearly everyone on the board, but you (perhaps wisely) fail to read the posts you comment on.

Hardly anyone thought that Djokovic would be in prime shape after Berrettini and Zverev, so you are the one with the laughable claims old boy!

So this is a disclaimer against anyone saying Medvedev did his job? Please remember that Djokovic was being lauded as being in prime shape. The draw comment is laughable.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Yea, the pressure of the occasion was certainly up. Its not like he played blazing tennis the previous rounds. Fom what I read, he was there for the taking. Silly Next Gen caves when Djoko sneezes.
 

ghostofMecir

Hall of Fame
He broke the Medvedev serve just once, and that was at the very end when he was already 2-0 down in sets and like 5-1 down in the final set and the crowd were putting Medvedev off. Straight sets is just not right. Accumulated fatigue maybe? Massive nerves of the occasion? Didn't expect Medvedev to play at such a high level? If he lost in a 5 setter, fair enough. But straight sets, come on... he didn't look himself at all. Didn't show the usual determination that he does.
What’s up is that he isn’t the GOAT and is lucky to be where he is at right now. 38 year old pensionerer handed him a slam he outplayed him in. He should be thankful he’s at where he is.
 
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nov

Semi-Pro
Something wasnt right. If crowd wasnt supported him maybe he could get more motivation to push limits even if he was tired or something else.
 

GreenClay

Rookie
It was a Combo of insane pressure on Novak and Medvedev zoning. Djoker didn’t have ice in his veins like he almost always does. So he wasn’t quite himself and who can blame him? But there were a couple of key things that caught my eye that told me Med was going to be a much tougher match than I initially thought. I am eating my words now, since I said that Zverev would be by far the toughest match of the tourney for him. I was wrong. But here’s what caught my eye:

1. Medvedev did an incredible job disguising his serves. Zverev and Berrettini did for one set, then Djoker starting reading them quite well and then was able to tee off on them by the 2nd set. Med was much better at mixing them up and he kept Djoker off-balance.

2. Long rallies. Medvedev got the better of Djoker on rallies of 5+ hits. I was shocked. At one point during the match, Med led Djoker 16-7 in long rallies. This is shocking. I vastly underestimated Medvedev’s running forehand. He was able to run deep into the corner and then hit a laser to bring the rally back to neutral quite often from that wing. And he held his own from the backhand wing quite well too.

3. Movement. The gap in movement has gotten much closer between him and Djoker . Medvedev moves quite well and he didn’t wear out today.

It’s a shame Djoker didn’t make history. He was one match short of doing the unthinkable. But congrats to for an insane year.

And congrats to a job well done by Medvedev. That was the performance of a lifetime. And it’s going to give the younger players more confidence to beat this legend in a slam final, since now, somebody broke the seal.

2022 is going to be quite interesting. With that being said, I think that Djoker can bag 2 more titles next year, provided he’s 100% healthy. . After that, it’s going to be very tough.
Very well said. I agree that he “can” win 2 majors next year, but think that’s unlikely. I bet he wins one.
Regardless, outstanding year for Novak. And a masterpiece by Medvedev in the final.
 
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Start da Game

Hall of Fame
He broke the Medvedev serve just once, and that was at the very end when he was already 2-0 down in sets and like 5-1 down in the final set and the crowd were putting Medvedev off. Straight sets is just not right. Accumulated fatigue maybe? Massive nerves of the occasion? Didn't expect Medvedev to play at such a high level? If he lost in a 5 setter, fair enough. But straight sets, come on... he didn't look himself at all. Didn't show the usual determination that he does.
it was such a cold beatdown that novak the mental giant was reduced to tears, no one really saw that coming.......medvedev is a cold individual he was not going to give into this cygs nonsense........he just unleashed off both wings and served monstrous........quite frankly i wasn't aware he could play like that totally off putting novak and robbing him of time.......mary carillo and the other clown i don't know his name were all about djokovic from start to finish, simply the worst commentators and total idiots.......
 

Defcon

Hall of Fame
He broke the Medvedev serve just once, and that was at the very end when he was already 2-0 down in sets and like 5-1 down in the final set and the crowd were putting Medvedev off. Straight sets is just not right. Accumulated fatigue maybe? Massive nerves of the occasion? Didn't expect Medvedev to play at such a high level? If he lost in a 5 setter, fair enough. But straight sets, come on... he didn't look himself at all. Didn't show the usual determination that he does.
Is this the Djok version of 'Rafa lost so it means he was injured' bs that his fans have used his entire career?
 

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
A combination of pressure (main reason), Medvedev playing the match of his life (he made next to no bad error apart from the double faults when serving for the match the first time) and bad luck.

As strange as is sounds after a straight-set loss, but I think if not for the "music incident" Djokovic could have won. He could have gained an early break in Set 2 and everything would have been just "normal" for this tournament. Who can definitely say he wouldn't have lost his fear and turns it all around then?
 

Tarkovsky

Rookie
All in, let’s do it. I’m going to put my heart, my soul, my body, and my head into that one. I’m going to treat the next match like it’s the last match of my career
Hearing this, I was expecting him to be at maximum focus and concentration, like he was in some important matches against Fedal, but he failed to put "All in", he wasn't himself, as someone said.

He didn't have a moment when he makes a "breakthrough" in his inner mental battle and then lifts his play to another level...hostile crowd helps him achieve this moment, but this time the crowd was not hostile, Medvedev's play was intelligent and Zverev match sucked some mental and physical energy from Djokovic
 

aldeayeah

Legend
Bad day in the office. Happens to all players as they get older. Botched recovery, niggling pain, etc

Plus sometimes the other guy gives you very little to work with. Med is pretty good at that.

Like, when he was up a double break in the 3rd, he wouldn't feed Novak rhythm at all - he'd be slapping all returns. Hard to get into a zone like that.

I guess he learned the lesson in Australia: make the match as much about the serve as possible, don't feed the beast.
 

T007

Professional
I wonder if that did screw with him. Maybe he plays better with the crowd against him.
Remember in 2019 Final he said he was assuming that the crowd was chanting novak novak instead of Roger Roger...

This time he actually mistook the crowd by assuming they were cheering for med where as they were behind him in most part of the match.
 

CHIP72

Rookie
Players sometimes have bad days, and I think the accumulated pressure and physical toll from earlier in the tournament got to Djokovic. Medvedev played well too. That happens sometimes in sports.
 

Devtennis01

G.O.A.T.
Meddy was just the first guy to step up that's all. He was ready. His post match interview was good. I rarely watch them but wanted to see how he was. He definitely believes now, and that's a big thing. Nothing could be more natural than a 25 year old world No.2 with his hard court skills beating a 34 year old world No.1 with Djokovic's recent hard court form.
 

Slicehand

Semi-Pro
he just didnt recover very well after zverevs match, and playing a lot of 4 setters, age plays its part on that, pressure was also there, but i think it was basically that he wasnt moving as fast, he could have copped with pressure if he was moving well i think, so there you go
 

Halba

Hall of Fame
That's how it goes. He had an all-time pathetic draw at Wimbledon.

Novak has a part in determining how many hours he has on court.

Nothing is sweeter than the lamentations of Novak fans.
the grass field is extremely weak. medvedev isnt great on grass or clay but is a superb hard courter.

medvedev is basically a taller, faster, bigger server, version of djokovic...
 

Ducky Lucky

New User
This was one of the highest levels Nole has played at in years but his way overhyped "mental toughness" finally got exposed.
I don't think his mental toughness is iverhyped but we all have our weaknesses. I have said it before but he can want things too much. That did for him at the FO, Olympics and yesterday.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The Olympics was a case of trying to do too much, not wanting too much. Going to the Olympics was almost universally judged to be a mistake before it happened. And people were right.
 

The Fedfather

Hall of Fame
Novak said it in his presser, it was a lot of pressure and he was physically tiring out as well. Was such drop in form due to nerves sudden? Yes, but it is maybe a bit more surprising that he didn't show more signs of the pressure getting to him throughout the tournament. It was piling up and then the bubble burst.
 

uscwang

Hall of Fame
Saw this coming since he made the decision to play Tokyo.
After winning the AO and the Channel Slam, he was like holding A-10 playing blackjack. And then he called "hit me".

Novak and Nadal are in such extreme contrast over their career. Novak has wasted so many opportunities and never gained control emotionally. Nadal has made good use of every opportunity and always stayed calm. I like Novak but hope Nadal gets the GS record since Novak is so flawed and actually spoiled despite his humble beginning.
 

Crazy Finn

Hall of Fame
the grass field is extremely weak. medvedev isnt great on grass or clay but is a superb hard courter.

medvedev is basically a taller, faster, bigger server, version of djokovic...
Yup.

Novak will be a top contender at Wimbledon until it's proven he isn't.

Heck, elderly Federer proved he's still a contender, there when able to play - so Novak definitely is.
 

Amen786

Semi-Pro
He broke the Medvedev serve just once, and that was at the very end when he was already 2-0 down in sets and like 5-1 down in the final set and the crowd were putting Medvedev off. Straight sets is just not right. Accumulated fatigue maybe? Massive nerves of the occasion? Didn't expect Medvedev to play at such a high level? If he lost in a 5 setter, fair enough. But straight sets, come on... he didn't look himself at all. Didn't show the usual determination that he does.
Role reversal of AO final. But Djokovic played better than Daniil in the lead up this time.
 

Amen786

Semi-Pro
It tells me one thing. If you want to beat djoker at a grand slam, do it better in 3 sets. Since his resurgence in 2018, he only lost when it was straight sets demolition like 2020 FO or the lineswoman created havoc.

If the match goes to 5th set, he can turn it around.
So opponents should keep his in mind
Thiem says hi.
 

NADALalot

Hall of Fame
He broke the Medvedev serve just once, and that was at the very end when he was already 2-0 down in sets and like 5-1 down in the final set and the crowd were putting Medvedev off. Straight sets is just not right. Accumulated fatigue maybe? Massive nerves of the occasion? Didn't expect Medvedev to play at such a high level? If he lost in a 5 setter, fair enough. But straight sets, come on... he didn't look himself at all. Didn't show the usual determination that he does.
Actually Medvedev looked extremely nervous, 9 double faults, and repeatedly playing horrible drop shots, and he said that he was so nervous in the 3rd Set at 5-3 that he got cramps (whether that's true or not, he's saying he felt extremely nervous).
I think Djokovic struggled to break serve because Medvedev served extremely well, and when they got in long baseline rallies it became clear that Medvedev was better, and he's often been better than Djokovic in the past too, because this is the 4th time Medvedev has beaten Djokovic.
The only difference between this match and Medvedev's other wins over Djokovic, is that Medvedev served bigger and better than usual.
But the baseline rallies going Medvedev's way, is not strange, especially given that Djokovic hasn't played well in this US Open (dropping sets in almost every match).
 

StringGuruMRT

Semi-Pro
He broke the Medvedev serve just once, and that was at the very end when he was already 2-0 down in sets and like 5-1 down in the final set and the crowd were putting Medvedev off. Straight sets is just not right. Accumulated fatigue maybe? Massive nerves of the occasion? Didn't expect Medvedev to play at such a high level? If he lost in a 5 setter, fair enough. But straight sets, come on... he didn't look himself at all. Didn't show the usual determination that he does.
Even GOATs have injuries, have off days... Shows just how difficult it is to win them all.
 

a10best

Hall of Fame
He broke the Medvedev serve just once, and that was at the very end when he was already 2-0 down in sets and like 5-1 down in the final set and the crowd were putting Medvedev off. Straight sets is just not right. Accumulated fatigue maybe? Massive nerves of the occasion? Didn't expect Medvedev to play at such a high level? If he lost in a 5 setter, fair enough. But straight sets, come on... he didn't look himself at all. Didn't show the usual determination that he does.
The Excuse reaching team is here. Oh yeah, we're going to believe a random anonymous poster's conspiracy... save it for politics. Time can be spent better doing something else. We know Djokovic is still having a good time win or lose. He said as much
Let's stop the lunacy. It wasn't Brooksby or Rune who beat him soundly. It was the No 2 ranked player in the world.
 

NADALalot

Hall of Fame
Djokovic looked 100% determined, very angry and annoyed, and eventually cried.
He just didn't know how to return Medvedev's booming serve, and he didn't know how to win the long rallies.
Medvedev is an expert at long rallies, and was striking the ball perfectly (except for the drop shots), and Djokovic wasn't striking the ball perfectly (same as most of his other matches).
 
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