The "What's Wrong With Her?" Thread

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  1. NadalAgassi

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    With how weak the field is now I think Clijsters has a great shot at each of the remaining 3 slams.
     
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    ^^^ I saw that a while back. I think it's extreme to ban the girl. Her grunts can be toned down. Yet, you see no penalties for de Brito, Azarenka, Sharapova, Seles, Kirilenko, Serena, Venus, Wickmayer, etc.
     
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    that's it! show no mercy! ban the little 9 year old girl! why not just kick santa claus in the groin while you're at it! :evil:
     
  5. hugobosstachini

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    I really doubt Kim will win RG... that tournament will have a freaking huge surprise winner... clay is such a suck for girls that you could even comfortably pick Safina and end up being right... ROFL !!
     
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    Seeing as Safina is a two time finalist, why would this be at all a surprise if she won the tournament? Granted she hasn't played her best tennis as of late, but clay is her thing.
     
  7. NadalAgassi

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    LOL are you crazy.
     
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    None of the facts I stated were untrue.

    No I'm not crazy.
     
  9. NadalAgassi

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    The part where you said Safina winning shouldnt be a huge surprise at this point was completely crazy. Who cares if she is a 2 time finalist (who got destroyed in both her finals, in which the defacto final was on the other side anyway). Juan Carlos Ferrero is a 2 time finalist (and a RG Champion) and it would be a huge surprise if he won RG right now. And age aside she is even more washed up than he is.
     
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    ^^^i can understand both of your points, but i'd say safina's chances to win rg are better than jcf's for one simple reason: no one in the wta is a world-beater on clay like nadal has been. really, in my mind, as of right now, kimmay is the fav for any hc slam. there is no clear fav for fo and w (wta).
     
  11. NadalAgassi

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    Safina has lost 3 times in a row to 39 year old Date in the last year. She can barely get games off Clijsters or even Bartoli right now. Yeah her chances to win RG might be better than Ferrero only due to the sucktitude of the WTA but it is 0.0001% vs 0.0000001% sort of thing. Make no mistake, either one would be a huge miracle right now.
     
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    Pe'er blew another chance to get to top 10. All she needed was a win today, but she lost.
     
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    Hmm, she had a few chances to make the Top10 already.
    I guess she doesn´t even want to make it into the top10. lol
     
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    Suprise Fact - Safina has won six of her last 8 matches.

    That is a very positive for her, and I think top 50 after FO is doable for her.
     
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    I'm not saying she WILL win RG, I'm just saying I would not be surprised if she did, because historically she has played well at that tournament (two of the last three years, and yes I realize how much last year sucked big time).
     
  16. NadalAgassi

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    If Safina even gets to the round of 16 in any slams this year she will be very happy. Nuff said.
     
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    Is Stosur the most overrated top 5 player of ALL TIME?

    About to lose to Vesnina in Charlston, spraying balls meters out, and her serve is mad hyped, but IMO is predictable.
     
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    Woz squeaks past Strycova into the QF. Stosur got booted by the other Russian blond headcase.

    McHale might be make some moves upward, handing Dani a breadstick. Peng might have the makings of a potential top 20 player the way she's been playing this year.
     
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    You see I was right !!? Stosur who is the designated favourite for that surface - rightfully... she was 18-3 in 2010 beat Rena, Justine (who had beat her in Stuttgart) and Jankovic in RG... - can't even lign up 2 shots in a row to lose to Vesnina 6-4 6-1...

    Hail the new surprise winner of the 2011 FO.
     
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    Peng has an easy road to the finals....

    YEC??? i think yes !
     
  21. NadalAgassi

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    The favorites for Roland Garros by far are Clijsters and Wozniacki. Even if Kim doesnt play a match or win a match until Roland Garros, or Wozniacki doesnt win a clay court tournament going in, even with Clijsters having never won Roland Garros and Wozniacki not having won a major, and even with it being neither of their favorite surface, they are still the favorites for this years French. I cant really see anyone else winning it to be honest, the only outside shots I give beyond those two are Schiavone, Zvonareva, Ivanovic, or Jankovic. Sharapova will never win the French even if she recovers to win another slam elsewhere, Stosur is an overhyped joke, Kuznetsova just doesnt have it together enough right now, and the rest dont even merit a mention.
     
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    ^^^ Last year who would have guessed Schiavone winning the French? Even with her playing like garbage since the AO, I wouldn't rule her out.

    Clijsters was a clay specialist early in her career, but hard court is her specialty. Her lax attitude lately is rubbing me the wrong way.

    Wozniacki...no! Not at the French anyway. She scheduled 7 clay events last year. She retired in a few matches, then somehow made the QF at the French. Her game doesn't work great on red clay since she lacks variety in her shots to cause problems for clay players.

    It would not surprise me to see players like Pennetta, Schiavone, Ivanovic, Jankovic, Matrinez Sanchez do well here. Cibulkova is a wild card as she made the SF in 2009, but then again she has Safina's ex coach guiding her.

    Stosur might crumble in the 3rd or 4th round.

    Kuznetsova is just a mess. Then again, she does her best when nobody pays any attention. Petrova should just play doubles as it's painfully clear she's only 50% the player she was in 2006. If Safina somehow makes the 4th round I'll be elated.

    In short, this FO is going to be a wide open field, for better or worse.
     
  23. NadalAgassi

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    You make it sound like Clijsters and Wozniacki need to be on their best surface to win. They are so much better than the others that make up the mess of the WTA now they just need to show up in reasonable form and unless someone is having a Li Na AO like run, they will be there at the end, one or both.

    If Clijsters or Wozniacki play the likes of Ivanovic, Pennetta, Jankovic, Martinez Sanchez, or even Schiavone in a slam quarterfinal, semifinal, or final, right now on any surface they will win. The only way someone else will win the title is if both go out in a huge upset early, or if someone like Zvonareva (the only one sort of close to the top 2 right now) comes up big.
     
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    Hasn't Caro been THE FAVOURITE anyways one of them in the last 3, 4, 5 or maybe even more last majors !!? How much has she won !!? To say Caro is a clear favourite as Clijsters is really over the par... maybe she is by her #1 rank but by the type of surface and her gamestyle I think no.

    I can take the argument that Maria will never win Wimbledon again, certainly, but to say she'll never win the french is a very strong statement paying attention and comparing her results on both surface the last few years... the players who have frustrated Maria on clay when she has done well are typically the ones who were abled to drain her out in long exhausting rallies for her style (Patty Schnyder for example and also in Rome)... she only needs the luck to not get one of that type in her draw.

    I think clay is a good compromise for her...
     
  25. NadalAgassi

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    Maria isnt a good enough clay courter to win Roland Garros period. There will always be atleast 40 women in the draw with atleast a fighting chance against her, and atleast a handful who would beat her almost every time. Schynder has never taken her out of the French as far as I know. Most of the players she has lost to at the French since 2005 are in fact other agressive players or shotmakers like Henin, Safina twice, Ivanovic, players except Henin she handles easily on other surfaces (and even Henin sometimes handles on other surfaces) but who easily expose her clunky footwork and discomfort on the surface with their own agressive games. Of course she can be dressed down by junkballers or clever steady baseliners like Saurez or Cibulkova there too. Maria may well never win another slam anywhere but she has 10 times as much chance at Wimbledon as she ever will at the French. She might have won Wimbledon last year had she not run into Serena. At the French she lost to Henin, big deal it was a crappy Henin who was about 20% of her old level and still beat Maria, there are a whole bunch of women who would have taken either one out last year. It has mostly been the Williams and once eventual winner Mauresmo who stopped her at Wimbledon since she last won there, even if she has a couple really bad losses while just before and after her long injury layoff.

    I realize what you are saying about Wozniacki but she is really growing in confidence and consistency. I dont even like her or her playing style but I think the breakthrough is nearing.
     
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  26. Spin Doctor

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    WTH? Sharapova is TERRIBLE on clay. She even says so herself. She CAN'T MOVE, a virtual prerequisite for clay. I think she has a way better chance on grass or hardcourts. Seriously I don't even know how you even came up with this position, its so off base.
     
  27. NadalAgassi

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    He/she probably bases that on her going further in 2008 and 2009 than at Wimbledon. But seriously that whole period was a crapshoot time for her anyway, seriously injured and soon to miss alot of time (2008 ) and just coming back from injury (2009). At the French in 2009 she lucked out to play a bunch of chokers who gifted her to rounds she shouldnt have advanced to about 3 times before her luck ran out and she was nearly fed 2 bagels by an unimposing quarterfinal opponent. And her loss at Wimbledon 2008 was literally a career fluke. Maria just gets way better draws and luck of late at Roland Garros than Wimbledon it seems, absolutely brutal draws often at Wimbledon (eg- Williams in the round of 16 in 07 and 2010), but in no way is she stronger at RG.

    And some are probably impressed she took Henin to 3 sets last year but it really isnt impressive when one considers the kind of tennis Henin played in her 2nd career, where she was really playing 3rd/4th round caliber grand slam tennis at best. Obviously a prime Henin would easily have destroyed any version of Sharapova on clay, let alone the current, as she did multiple times with ease in the mid 2000s.
     
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    Safina retires against Vika with a back injury not looking good.
     
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    To my mind, just for sheer atrition, Wozniacki should be built for clay with her consistency.

    but that girl seriously needs a weapon, and for her size and build, its amazinng she doesnt have more power.
     
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    Not AGAIN?!?!?! Hoping she is just being cautious.
     
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    (1) :D Yes I was laxist on that but what I meant was players like Schnyder who are able to grind down Maria on clay can ruin a good amount of her little chances in the major... watch the double confrontation with Patty in Rome 2008 and in RG 2007... In Rome girls played in night session almost 2hrs+ next day Maria had to retire because of injury to Jelena Jankovic...

    In RG 2007 same stuff Maria had no chances to defend herself against Ana who just had a walk in the park in the 1/2... Maria IMO needs not to bump into the clay grinders for her chances to be good.

    (2) The players you cite have grown up on clay (or almost) and have the science of that surface... so it's not a surprise Maria has come to struggle against them just like how Ana comes to struggle on very fast surfaces like Deco when she faces opponents able to bring it to her.

    (3) You have a part of thruth but it's really bold to state Caro as a clear favourite for RG in the same league as Clijsters...

    Mmmmm... I had the feeling Maria played all right in FO 2009 though at some points she was gifted plenty by some of her opponents... we agree that Maria is not stronger on clay in no ways but she has become better while on grass she has deteriorated in some parts of her game...

    And prime Justine would have destroyed any freaking girl on clay... :D and not only Masha...

    That position is based on Maria's results on grass the last few years comparatively to her results on clay... Grass {W, SF, SF, 4th, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd}

    Maria's grass game has gone downhill most obviously because of her footwork who has lost plenty of precision on a surface who demands Swiss clock wise like placement...

    On the other hand, Maria's clay game has came from mediocre to being quite good as of lately...

    The quote "I move like a cow on ice" needs to be put back in time... this is something she said a little before the 2008 clay season being asked about her game on the surface... but only then after she wins her 1rst clay event in AI, makes the semis of Rome and was MPs away from getting passed Safina so much to tell...

    Another small indicator of her decline on grass is her 2009 come-back... after 8 months out she attempts for success in her first event in RG and reaches the 1/4 in various struggles... on grass now wich is supposed to be her so said surface of predilection and considering how well she had done on her worst can't even get passed Gisela despite having numerous chances...

    Clay IMO is more foregiving to Maria's game than grass... grass forces her to be rightfully very aggressive but her placement and footwork just doesn't allow it to be consistent anymore... Clay makes her take more time despite her atrocious movement.
     
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    I cannot believe no one has mentioned Azarenka yet? Although clay isnt her preffered surface, her forehand which has a bit more spin that this time last year could be deadly if she uses it wisely... If she sticks to a service motion, she may be a chance.
     
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    Azarenka dissapoints everytime she is built up for a big event so little wonder she is being overlooked. And matches like her one vs Li Na in Australia show she doesnt have the next gear when she meets a more powerful or stronger opponent that day.
     
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    The only way Sharapova wins FO ever is if they start giving bonus points for DFs.
     
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    Kuzy. Kuzy, Kuzy, Smh!
     
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    No talk on Jankovic either for FO?
     
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    Vesnina makes the final? Too bad she'll be 0-5 in finals after Wozniacki finishes her off.
     
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    Is this Vesnina's biggest single's final?
     
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    Peng had 2 set points in the first set. she was actually the better player throughout the match but it seemed like she was exhausted from playing so much matches recently.
     
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    This ties her biggest final. She made the Pilot Pen final a few years back where she lost to Wozniacki.
     
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    Not a good omen for today then
     
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    Woz got the first set.
     
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    Vesnina has no chance in this match. I wish she proves me wrong, but she's an errant basher with limited weapons. At best Vesnina is a poor Zvonareva.
     
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  44. NadalAgassi

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    Wozniacki looks like she is dominant all of a sudden. If she can win the French Open it would really cement her as the true #1.
     
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    Vesnina has a very high-pitch voice

    What's the (presumably Russian) word that she yells when she scores/makes a good point? "Kut-na or "Kitt-na" or something? LOL
     
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    Not sure. Vera says the same thing. I thought it might be otlichna which means "well done".
     
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    Azarenka trying to get off the list? Back-to-back titles. Now up to #5.
     
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    Oh oh! That last ball seemed in but Woz said it was out (ump came down and agreed) so now the Dane has the crucial break (5-3) and is serving for the match
     
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    Woz wins 6-2 6-3. Vesnina might match the 0-8 streak Schiavone had in finals the way things are going.
     
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    Kim got injured on her right ankle = result 4-6 weeks out of circulation.

    Ergo: won't be in Rome (besides next week's Fed cup)
     

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