The Wimbledon 2025 Final has finally convinced me to agree that JCF needs to go. Long post/analysis of the match

As of this point, Ferrero is just fine. Carlos has had a great season and made his 3rd straight Wimbledon final, he got beaten by the world #1 who played a better match. Alcaraz was too reactionary and passive today and Sinner being the aggressor was the factor.
Lots of overreaction. I was the only person who kept bringing up their match 3 years ago on grass as I was there courtside.

On grass Sinner if he plays well will always beat Alcaraz. It's not rocket science. On clay Alcaraz will always bear Sinner if playing well as we saw the past two years in Paris.. yes they were 5 sets BUT when Carlos had his back to the wall he played properly and Sinner didn't have answers. Same in reverse on grass really.

Sinner hits a very hard flat ball off both wings far harder than Carlos who while he can flatten it out can't do that 10nshots in a row in a rally like Sinner. Alcaraz natural shots have more top spin. On grass a flat hit against a player who prefers to hit with spin is like kyrptonite.

Yes Carlos was not at his best far from it. He was clearly mentally fried. But even at his best he likely loses that in 5 sets.

People should just chill out. These are two great players who will beat each other. Its not going to be Federer v Roddick lol.

Alcaraz needs to win USO to match Sinners two this season and all good. Its like 2017 and 2019 again
 
More than coaching (which definitely is an issue), I feel his overall attitude of "I just wanna be happy and play with joy" attitude is not going to serve him well in the long run. I was disappointed at the absolute lack of disappointment in Carlos' face after losing a Wimbledon final. It seemed like he was almost too happy to lose to Sinner. He is undoubtably the more talented of the two. He has so many options, so much spontaneity, instinct and creativity which very few gifted people have right from the start. But he needs to develop a more killer mentality. Every loss against him has to be earned. Didn't feel that way after the final. He can learn a lot from Sinner regarding that.
Great Post. And bang on. I get they are friends and I've no issue with that. But Sinners reaction at the FO was perfect. He had perspective, raised a smile but was clearly gutted. Not crying like a baby but just like Rafa Roger and Novak always were.

Carlos was way too cheerful. That's a concern as if losing doesn't hurt enough then eventually it means a player won't die on court to win (figuratively speaking).

Carlos should be chomping at the bit to win the USO like Rafa was in 2017 and 2019 when he was 2-1 down in Slams those seasons to Roger and Novak after W. I'm yet to be convinced Carlos views things like that
 
Great Post. And bang on. I get they are friends and I've no issue with that. But Sinners reaction at the FO was perfect. He had perspective, raised a smile but was clearly gutted. Not crying like a baby but just like Rafa Roger and Novak always were.

Carlos was way too cheerful. That's a concern as if losing doesn't hurt enough then eventually it means a player won't die on court to win (figuratively speaking).

Carlos should be chomping at the bit to win the USO like Rafa was in 2017 and 2019 when he was 2-1 down in Slams those seasons to Roger and Novak after W. I'm yet to be convinced Carlos views things like that

i am amused that people are not talking about his real issues , it’s not his attitude or being a happy loser or winner but his shot selection , tennis iq , lack of point construction and no plan on return position.l , making errors while he needs to play percentage shot on big point to start a rally. These are the basics he needs to work on
 
i am amused that people are not talking about his real issues , it’s not his attitude or being a happy loser or winner but his shot selection , tennis iq , lack of point construction and no plan on return position.l , making errors while he needs to play percentage shot on big point to start a rally. These are the basics he needs to work on
U can't turn him into Sinner. He is a more up and down player and has more variety to his game so shot selection at times will be off as he chooses the wrong option.

That said he nowadays seems less willing to stay in long rallies compared to 2022 when he burst on the scene. That's a concern obviously. Also his FH return on the deuce side is a massive weakness players are now targeting more. His serve is improving though but he needs to maintain a higher 1st serve percentage.
 
I don't know if Ferrero has to go, but something has to change. Sinner is now the better player and it took a miracle for him not to be holding all 4 slams.

If Ferrero stays as head coach, IMO he needs a service specialist, a return specialist and a sports psychologist to help him stabilise his intensity and concentration.

I'm not convinced someone his height can hit his spots serving at 136. I seriously wonder if dialling it back to Federer / Djokovic speeds and trying to serve more accurately with a higher percentage wouldn't be a lot more effective. He could use the 136 serve at the body (where there's more margin for error) as a changeup.
This is a really excellent point. I tend to shy away from writing/commenting about the hyper-technical aspects of the sport, just because I don't think I understand the biomechanics of a tennis swing/serve motion at the level needed to opine on them, but this makes a ton of intuitive sense.

Not to mention, I am a staunch, staunch advocate for placement > speed when it comes to serving. It's why, for my money, Kyrgios had a better serve than Isner, Opelka, Raonic. His ability to paint the T at will was unmatched.
 
U can't turn him into Sinner. He is a more up and down player and has more variety to his game so shot selection at times will be off as he chooses the wrong option.

That said he nowadays seems less willing to stay in long rallies compared to 2022 when he burst on the scene. That's a concern obviously. Also his FH return on the deuce side is a massive weakness players are now targeting more. His serve is improving though but he needs to maintain a higher 1st serve percentage.

Asking him to fix the basic and learning the point construction is not asking him to be Sinner , these are prerequisite to greatness in modern baseline era ( Big 3 has that) I have been following him since last 3 days and trust me there’s zero improvement in his game. You can’t just show up play like a maniac and win, if he doesn’t work then he will play second fiddle to the rest of his career and Sinner will create a huge gap between these two. Even Fed wasn’t stupid enough to go for winner on serve on big points.
 
It’s because Sinner understands true greatness and what it takes. He found like-minded individuals to help push him to that level, and holds them ruthlessly accountable - see how he dumped his physio team pre Wimbledon. He doesn’t mess around, he constantly strives for excellence in everything. Every margin is somewhere he wants to win.

I’m not convinced Carlos gets it to that degree. I think he’s too nice, I think he’s a lovely boy who has a gift and wants to enjoy life
. And of course it is always more player than coach in tennis. But I think Ferrero being unable to get through to him and keeping him in an amateur mindset of tennis is catching up to him. He needs to move past his youth academy days and get a proper coach for Alcaraz the man.
I usually want to refrain from any vibes type analysis but I think this really is it. Carlos was the toast of the tennis world and even beyond that after that Houdini act at RG and seemed very happy go-lucky post that win, Emma shipping, highlights of his shotmaking and talent, etc., etc.

Then there’s the entire height issue and whether Carlitos at his best can deal with Sinner at his best if Sinner’s serve improves in placement because nothing Carlos can do can match that due to height limitations. Sinner’s floor his higher, his base level is higher, and now his top end may be higher due to improved serve and at that point, no matter Carlitos’s shot making magic, it might not matter.
 
There are very few instances where a coaching chance would actually significantly improve a player. Alcaraz's issues are mostly related to his game, not his coaching. It's not JFC's issue if he starts spraying a bunch of unforced errors one after the other.
 
Nothing more overrated in tennis at this level than a coaching change.

It's literally one of the simplest sports on earth, there really aren't that many different tactics involved. And when you do make a successful change, an opponent of equal skill will adapt and neutralize that new advantage. To win a Bo5 match you basically need to do everything well for hours at a time. You can't just pound a backhand 80% of the time or serve to the T every time or whatever. There wasn't some obvious key to beating Sinner that Alcaraz and his coaches were too stupid to figure out. One guy hit his spots today and the other didn't. Take it in stride and move on to the next one.
Exactly, too much is made of coaching influence in tennis, perhaps because of football and other tactics and coach-centred sports.
A coach should be a good tactician, of course, but at this level the most important factor is stability, trust and confidence. Real life is not an inspirational sports film where the coach finds a magic formula to win the "big match" at the end.
 
Also, a 22 year-old holding 5 Slams is hardly in need to change anything if he's won a major and been in the final of another only this year.
He's in Nadal territory in terms of Slam progress, and I doubt anyone was panicking and asking young Rafa to get rid of his uncle when he happened to lose one of those early Slam finals at Wimbledon.
Fans are way too anxious these days.
 
This is a general idea, not directed at Carlos - These days players are too dependent on their coaches for instruction and guidance. They don't know how to adequately troubleshoot and solve problems on the fly.

The coach is there for a second opinion or for brainstorming, tactics, ideas, patterns etc. It should primarily be the player who needs to think through problems and their game plan.

Also, maybe Ferrero told him all the right things and Carlos could not execute..!!! Maybe we saw Sinner play at such a high level that Carlos was not able to change tactics (Ex. Wawrinka vs Djoka at the French Open).
 
I don't agree with the OP's claim that it was fairly neutral between them from the baseline, and do agree with the Calf that Juice was much better than him from the baseline during the match.
 
More than coaching (which definitely is an issue), I feel his overall attitude of "I just wanna be happy and play with joy" attitude is not going to serve him well in the long run. I was disappointed at the absolute lack of disappointment in Carlos' face after losing a Wimbledon final. It seemed like he was almost too happy to lose to Sinner. He is undoubtably the more talented of the two. He has so many options, so much spontaneity, instinct and creativity which very few gifted people have right from the start. But he needs to develop a more killer mentality. Every loss against him has to be earned. Didn't feel that way after the final. He can learn a lot from Sinner regarding that.
When the chips are down, I think I agree with this sentiment. Greatness in individual sports—ones that involve direct opposition with one other individual (not talking about running, swimming, biking etc.)—require a bordering-on-delusional level of confidence, really arrogance. They require the belief not only that you are great but that you are better than every other human on the planet at that sport. Greatness, then, requires a modicum of disrespect toward opponent. Not because you're purposefully trying to be an ass, but because losing should be an affront to your own conception of yourself. Losses should infuriate you because you should believe they are the wrong result, that they are not indicative of who is actually the better athlete.

Of course I'm not saying he should come out and start talking poorly about others, but it is quite disappointing that he was as jovial as he was during the trophy presentation. I mentioned in the match thread that I think it would behoove them both to be a bit less buddy-buddy, but really it would benefit Alcaraz a lot more than it would benefit Sinner, because Sinner is already so even-keeled and steady I don't think it affects him much. It's always going to be harder to raise your level in important moments when you feel some sort of sympathy for the player across the net.

It's another reason I didn't like Alcaraz yelling about how Sinner's better than he was from the baseline. Not only was it wrong, but it was the wrong type of self-talk. It should be centered around himself, not Sinner—"I'm not doing x, I can't do y"—as opposed to "He's so much better than I am." You need the narcissistic self-belief in a sport like tennis, and I'm not sure Carlos it to the level he should.
 
I don't agree with the OP's claim that it was fairly neutral between them from the baseline, and do agree with the Calf that Juice was much better than him from the baseline during the match.
I mean go rewatch the match if you don't believe me. I'll concede Jannik may have had a slight overall edge from the baseline, but to say that's why Jannik won the match is just wrong, both based on the stats and the eye test. Jannik won because he absolutely dominated the serve/return dynamic, especially in the third and fourth sets, the importance of which the surface amplified.
 
I mean go rewatch the match if you don't believe me. I'll concede Jannik may have had a slight overall edge from the baseline, but to say that's why Jannik won the match is just wrong, both based on the stats and the eye test. Jannik won because he absolutely dominated the serve/return dynamic, especially in the third and fourth sets, the importance of which the surface amplified.

From my eye test, Sinner was a fair bit better from the baseline. Some of that no doubt is that he found it easier to get into neutral points on Calf's serve than vice versa.
 
I usually want to refrain from any vibes type analysis but I think this really is it. Carlos was the toast of the tennis world and even beyond that after that Houdini act at RG and seemed very happy go-lucky post that win, Emma shipping, highlights of his shotmaking and talent, etc., etc.

Then there’s the entire height issue and whether Carlitos at his best can deal with Sinner at his best if Sinner’s serve improves in placement because nothing Carlos can do can match that due to height limitations. Sinner’s floor his higher, his base level is higher, and now his top end may be higher due to improved serve and at that point, no matter Carlitos’s shot making magic, it might not matter.
I don't know how many people on here follow American football, let alone collegiate American football, but there's this story/quote from one of the great American football coaches of all time, Nick Saban. The team he was coaching won a big game on a last-minute play, a miracle, and the next week they proceeded to go out and lose 29-0. He said this in a documentary, talking about those two games: "It wasn't just about winning or losing the game. There was a process; there was a value placed on how you played the game. The most difficult thing I have to deal with is to get people, after you win, to have the same kind of commitment to improving and changing [as they have after a loss]." Feel like a lot of that sentiment flared up on Sunday.
 
This is a general idea, not directed at Carlos - These days players are too dependent on their coaches for instruction and guidance. They don't know how to adequately troubleshoot and solve problems on the fly.

The coach is there for a second opinion or for brainstorming, tactics, ideas, patterns etc. It should primarily be the player who needs to think through problems and their game plan.

Also, maybe Ferrero told him all the right things and Carlos could not execute..!!! Maybe we saw Sinner play at such a high level that Carlos was not able to change tactics (Ex. Wawrinka vs Djoka at the French Open).
Completely agree with the idea players are far too dependent on coaches. If I had my way, they would undo the coaching rule change.

But we've got to work with what's allowed, and when coaching is allowed and the coach can't even step in to correct a player's (mostly) incorrect assessment of a match during the match, something has to change.
 
In this video, Alcaraz can be seen yelling at his box (using a rough translation here, I don't speak spanish): "Much better than me. From the back of the court he’s much better than me, much much better than me. And it’s by far, by this much. He’s MUCH better than me, much better." This sentiment was the cause of the visible frustration Carlos displayed for the entire match, the belief that he was getting destroyed in baseline rallies by Sinner. Debate as you will who was better solely off the ground today, but here are some stats from the Wimbledon website match recap.

By all accounts, the stats point to a pretty neutral groundstroke battle.
Yeah, I think Alcaraz was overreacting because the way Sinner played was frustrating him. He felt Sinner's power was neutralizing him and he was doing too much defending, but in reality Alcaraz was playing fine off the ground... the difference being that this match was very first strike heavy and therefore not much ground game stuff. But this is basic player talk. They get frustrated and scream at their coaches knowing full well they're being irrational. We don't know if JCF actually believed in Carlos's assessment or corrected him at any point.
It's also likely the stats are less favorable to Alcaraz if you remove the first set, set and a half, which contributed to Alcaraz's perception at the time.
Serve/Return Dynamic:
Continuing from above, Carlos's indignant attitude toward playing longer rallies was especially noticeable when he was on serve. Sinner's return game really picked up in sets 3/4. He hit a one clean return winner, but for the most part it was just good, deep neutralizing balls. Even on second serves, Alcaraz—perhaps out of pride, but I really think out of worry for having to play a rally from neutral—was adamant about stepping in and taking the ball on the rise, regardless of Jannik's return placement. He would often try to play aggressive shot, borderline an approach shot, no matter the return. It was infuriating to watch as a Carlos fan. There aren't (yet) good stats out there for return and +1 balls (or maybe I just don't have access to them) so I'm mostly going off of the eye test.

On return, the same sort of attitude plagued Carlos. He had done well in the first set and a half at neutralizing the Sinner first serve, but he had been woeful on the the second serve return. Alcaraz's return prowess comes more from his innate athleticism than technique, in my opinion, and so while he's quite good at neutralizing first serves (or at least getting a higher % in play and then neutralizing the point after), he is not nearly as good as Sinner at attacking second serves.
Yup, through 2 sets (or more accurately 1.5-1.75 sets) a compelling case could be made that Alcaraz was clearly the better player and probably should've cashed in both sets. He was clearly in more of Sinner's return games, neutralizing his first serve incredibly effectively, and while he was struggling on the 2nd it wasn't enough to bridge the gap since Carlos's own first serve was firing away, and his second serve was holding up decently well. The reason Sinner won that 2nd set? Well, Carlos turned in an absolute clunker after winning the first. Just sleepwalked his first service game. That set really probably should've gone to a tiebreak.
One big turning point? A game in the 2nd set where Alcaraz was up 40-0, played a loose point then double faulted twice, faced a break point before finally holding. It showed a clear lapse in focus (a trend that would continue throughout the match) and was never adjusted for. His 40-0 play was just horrible, no excuses. I also think those double faults made him lose some confidence in his second serve leading to it being crushed the rest of the match.
I do maintain that there wasn't much wrong with how Alcaraz handled the Sinner second serve imo, just that Sinner was hitting it very well. If there's one thing we could nitpick Alcaraz on, it's that he was scared of the baseline rallies, refused to start points neutrally, and I think that also contributed to him overpressing on the first serve at the expense of accuracy.
On Carlos's Mental Game:
Zooming out from today's final, the general bigger issue with Carlos is his inconsistency within the season, within tournaments, and within matches. I'm not inside Carlos' head, and I don't pretend to know what causes his all-too-frequent lapses in concentration. But I do know that it's been an issue for far too long and JCF really hasn't done anything to change it. Truly very few things are unchangeable with devotion and practice. Novak has spoke at length about how his mental strength is not a "gift," but rather something he has developed over years through conscious, devoted practice. These are not things JCF has had success at teaching Carlos.

Maybe that's the magic of it all. Perhaps the ebbs and flows are all just part of his makeup and it will be with him for his entire career—that you can't have the ridiculous highs without the ominous lows. I'm aware of the Netflix documentary, his partying til 6am, his need for the approach to be somewhat laissez faire. I'll be a fan regardless. But he's 22, his prefrontal cortex is not yet fully developed. He needs a coach who is able/willing to steer him in the right direction. With prospects of a top-5 career in the sport's history and your main rival has just taken the lead in momentum between you two, there's very little excuse not to try to work on these things. I'm not saying he has to go sober and become a monk, but he's got to do something to help with his focus issues.
I highly doubt JCF has just let Alcaraz off the hook for his lapses... sometimes it's just something you can't help. I'd put more of the burden on Alcaraz to figure that part out, or even a therapist or sports psychologist of some sort. I genuinely believe it has to do with how much fun he's having as well, and in matches like these where he feels suffocated I imagine it's just not as fun for him vs the high-octane French Open rallies for example.
As for the Netflix documentary stuff, I don't think there's any reason to put stock into that. Netflix needed some narrative to make their documentary compelling. Alcaraz's work ethic is fine and his partying is completely normal for a 22 year old global megastar. Nadal even said he used to do the same exact thing. It's normal to celebrate the victories, to blow off some steam afterwards. Alcaraz would actually be a worse player if he did not enjoy his victories. Mentally it would be very difficult on him. I really think that's such an overblown narrative overall that fans (and the press) took and ran with.
Rebuttal to "Carlos has won 5 slams with JCF. Why would he fire him?"
There have really only been two slams that Carlos has won during which he needed a tactical adjustment, Wimbledon 2023 and the French Open 2025. I won't dwell too much on the Wimbledon 23 F, to be honest I can't really remember to what extent tactical adjustments were made/changed throughout the match, I remember it a lot more as a momentum-driven affair. On the latter, what really needs to be said. Alcaraz was a point away from losing because he/JCF hadn't made a single tactical adjustment until God seemingly stepped in before it was too late. Carlos didn't actually change his game at all in late third, fourth, or fifth set. He just played better.
A coach's only job isn't to make tactical adjustments. Not only that, but if the coach creates a good game plan to start with, the final won't be 5 sets, so a blowout like Wimbledon 2024 is a compliment to JCF. But more than that, JCF gets along well with Carlos and lets him have fun while still keeping him focused. I tend to not have a strong opinion on coaching anyways since we don't know what happens behind closed doors and it's a very multifaceted field, but I think it's reductive to say a coach's only role is making mid-match tactical adjustments. Especially because Alcaraz is such a talented player and so well-rounded that any game plan can work or can fail. For example, how do you tell him to move back on the return when he's so talented at taking it early? If you tell him to move back and he loses the match, people will wonder why he played so passively. That's just one example where it's more about Alcaraz's execution than the actual adjustment.
 
This is so wrong!
Really? Because Agassi said Nadal had one of the highest Tennis IQs he'd ever seen and yet Nadal during his interview with Roddick said his strategy vs Djokovic was basically "play better than him" because there were no specific attackable weaknesses.

Obviously there are adjustments Alcaraz could have made that might have helped him not be punished as effectively by what Sinner was doing well on that particular day, but Alcaraz has shown initiative in changing his return position multiple times during matches vs Sinner and others previously - and without prompting from his coach.

Besides that, I remember last year when everyone was whining about how Carlos was too dependent on his coach to perform well and he basically told him what to do. This year, JCF is letting Carlos run his own matches to learn how to be more independent and yet the forum is angry about it?
 
Completely agree with the idea players are far too dependent on coaches. If I had my way, they would undo the coaching rule change.

But we've got to work with what's allowed, and when coaching is allowed and the coach can't even step in to correct a player's (mostly) incorrect assessment of a match during the match, something has to change.
True, we gotta work with what the players want. :)
 
Really? Because Agassi said Nadal had one of the highest Tennis IQs he'd ever seen and yet Nadal during his interview with Roddick said his strategy vs Djokovic was basically "play better than him" because there were no specific attackable weaknesses.

Obviously there are adjustments Alcaraz could have made that might have helped him not be punished as effectively by what Sinner was doing well on that particular day, but Alcaraz has shown initiative in changing his return position multiple times during matches vs Sinner and others previously - and without prompting from his coach.

Besides that, I remember last year when everyone was whining about how Carlos was too dependent on his coach to perform well and he basically told him what to do. This year, JCF is letting Carlos run his own matches to learn how to be more independent and yet the forum is angry about it?
Dude, no player is going to divulge their strategy against their nemesis. Agassi did not tell Becker about his tongue thing he did till they retired.
 
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Really? Because Agassi said Nadal had one of the highest Tennis IQs he'd ever seen and yet Nadal during his interview with Roddick said his strategy vs Djokovic was basically "play better than him" because there were no specific attackable weaknesses.
Well that was more a credit to how complete Djokovic was. Nadal was basically saying Federer had a weakness that was easily exploitable in targeting his backhand, but Djokovic did not have anything for Nadal to directly exploit, so he knew he just had to execute his best tennis.
Obviously there are adjustments Alcaraz could have made that might have helped him not be punished as effectively by what Sinner was doing well on that particular day, but Alcaraz has shown initiative in changing his return position multiple times during matches vs Sinner and others previously - and without prompting from his coach.

Besides that, I remember last year when everyone was whining about how Carlos was too dependent on his coach to perform well and he basically told him what to do. This year, JCF is letting Carlos run his own matches to learn how to be more independent and yet the forum is angry about it?
Yeah JCF vs Carlos fans has been a very "damned if you do, damned if you don't" type of relationship. In my opinion, it's near impossible for us to assess the overall impact JCF has on Alcaraz because there's a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes that we don't know about, between their personal relationships, how much JCF pushes him off-court, their film study/tactical discussions, how willing Alcaraz is to buy-in.
 
Im also surprised at Alcaraz 2nd serve return strategy, which obviously was a huge failure. In the 2nd set Sinner won 73%(!!) of his 2nd serves, and only 68% of his 1st serves. How often do we see this? I expected a match where Sinner would avoid rallies at all cost, while Alcaraz would primarily try to get most balls into play. Instead he adopted a hyper aggressive 2nd serve return tactic, which was a huge tactical failure. Just a simple thing as standing further behind the baseline would probably improve Alcaraz return stats. Sinner also used an aggressive 2nd serve return tactic, to stay out of rallies vs Alcaraz. For Sinners part, this was a great tactic, also because Alcaraz serve is attackable, partly because of his height.
 
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This was after Nadal retired....
Ahh, i got you. Only thing i think of is Djoka is still playing and he does not want to reveal the secret...lol

or he really did not have a bullet proof strategy/game plan. He just had to play better than Djoka.
 
I feel until Carlos and Sinner come close to 13-15 Grand Slams each, we cannot truly compare them to the Big 3.
 
Agreed. I should have been clearer; I meant Sinner's form at the Wimbledon final was Djokovic-esque IMO.

Maybe Carlos made some strategic choices that hampered his ability to show his own best tennis, but I don't think there was some strategy for "beating" Sinner that was overlooked here.
Oh, then yeah I would totally agree with that assessment. There truly wasn't any secret cheat code Alcaraz could've brought out there to beat Sinner in the final. I just think he needed to play better. And if we're being specific, I suppose have a better forehand day, hit the 2nd serve better, maybe be more willing to rally with Sinner by hitting more neutral returns and upping the first serve percentage by taking a bit off it. Also that 2nd set 1st service game clunker really bit him in the ass; imo that set should've probably gone to a tiebreak or swung Alcaraz's way.
The only one of these things I listed that was an example of a tactical adjustment Alcaraz could've made was playing a bit more passively. But how do you tell Alcaraz to play passively? The guy is the best baseline attacker in the sport and always wants to be in control, on the front foot hitting big forehands and approaching net.
 
Yes, that title in part references @Kralingen. Please prepare for a longer-than-average post.

Today's Wimbledon 2025 Final has finally convinced me Carlos needs to looks elsewhere for coaching. Carlos, after taking a 1-0 lead, got beat fairly soundly over the next three sets to lose 6-4 4-6 4-6 4-6. I mainly want to focus on JCF's complete lack of tactical adjustments or even correction to Alcaraz's analysis of the match.


On Today's Match Tactics:

Ground Strokes/Neutral Ball Rallies Dynamic:

In this video, Alcaraz can be seen yelling at his box (using a rough translation here, I don't speak spanish): "Much better than me. From the back of the court he’s much better than me, much much better than me. And it’s by far, by this much. He’s MUCH better than me, much better." This sentiment was the cause of the visible frustration Carlos displayed for the entire match, the belief that he was getting destroyed in baseline rallies by Sinner. Debate as you will who was better solely off the ground today, but here are some stats from the Wimbledon website match recap. (Also, for the sake of clarity, Player X's forced errors are forced errors made by player X, not errors player X forced):

Rally Stats, Ground Strokes:
FH Winners: Alcaraz 4, Sinner 9
BH Winners: Alcaraz 3, Sinner 2
FH Forced Errors: Alcaraz 9, Sinner 7
BH Forced Errors: Alcaraz 5, Sinner 8
FH Unforced Errors: Alcaraz 14, Sinner 15
BH Unforced Errors: Alcaraz 9, Sinner 16

By all accounts, the stats point to a pretty neutral groundstroke battle. They might demonstrate that Sinner had a slightly better day on the FH and Alcaraz had a slightly better day on the BH (FWIW, if I had to I would give Jannik the slight nod in winning the battle from the baseline). But whatever marginal conclusions you may arrive at, the general consensus should be that neither one was destroying the other off the ground. And yet, Carlos was so convinced that was the case he started playing hyper aggressive, especially when on serve.

Serve/Return Dynamic:

Continuing from above, Carlos's indignant attitude toward playing longer rallies was especially noticeable when he was on serve. Sinner's return game really picked up in sets 3/4. He hit a one clean return winner, but for the most part it was just good, deep neutralizing balls. Even on second serves, Alcaraz—perhaps out of pride, but I really think out of worry for having to play a rally from neutral—was adamant about stepping in and taking the ball on the rise, regardless of Jannik's return placement. He would often try to play aggressive shot, borderline an approach shot, no matter the return. It was infuriating to watch as a Carlos fan. There aren't (yet) good stats out there for return and +1 balls (or maybe I just don't have access to them) so I'm mostly going off of the eye test.

On return, the same sort of attitude plagued Carlos. He had done well in the first set and a half at neutralizing the Sinner first serve, but he had been woeful on the the second serve return. Alcaraz's return prowess comes more from his innate athleticism than technique, in my opinion, and so while he's quite good at neutralizing first serves (or at least getting a higher % in play and then neutralizing the point after), he is not nearly as good as Sinner at attacking second serves. Through the first two sets of the match, Sinner was winning a greater percentage of points on his second serve than on his first. Just an unforgivable statistic, especially on this surface. Perhaps Carlos' return woes today are less on JCF than they are on Carlos, but regardless, there was no sort of strategy change, no sort of adjustment from JCF. Just a lot of positive energy and thumbs up.

Sinner really picked up his serve in the third and fourth set. Not only his first serve percentage, but his first serve placement improved and velocity seemed to rise. This was pretty obvious to anyone watching, as Jannik hit all 8 of his aces in the third and fourth sets. Of course, credit to Sinner here for raising the level, but there was almost no tactical adjustment from JCF and Alcaraz as Sinner's serve improved. As I said before, Alcaraz's return prowess is most prominent on the first serve return because of his ridiculous athleticism. Much has been said/written about the effect to which he used the chip return vs Novak in both the 2023 and 2024 Wimbledon finals, but there was none of that in the third or fourth set today. In sets three and four, Sinner served a total of 10 games. He held at either love or at 15 in 6 out of 10 of those games.

Net Points/All-Court Dynamic:

Of course, people have probably read the stat that Jannik won 30/40 net points to Carlos' 12/23. I think this stat is a little bit misleading. Carlos's 5 drop shot UEs count as net points won for Jannik. Alcaraz's first serve % also really just never ticked up from the 53% with which he finished, whereas Jannik's went from 55% in the first set to 81% in the third, finishing with 67%, which helped him start more points in attack and thus get to the net. I think the net stat is more of a testament to how brutally Sinner won the serve/return dynamic as opposed to being a testament to him dominating Carlos off the baseline.

I will insert a caveat here that I don't want this to be an excuse for Carlos' loss nor am I attempting to take anything away from Sinner's win. I am very confident Sinner wins this match regardless of any adjustments Carlos could have or should have made; Jannik played at a very high level in the third and fourth. My frustration and the motive behind this post is really driven by fact that Carlos was yelling at his box saying "I'm getting beat from the baseline," when really, he was getting beat on the serve, getting beat on the return, and getting beat at the net—getting beat from everywhere except the baseline. And JCF did nothing to tell Alcaraz his assessment was incorrect.


On Carlos's Mental Game:


Zooming out from today's final, the general bigger issue with Carlos is his inconsistency within the season, within tournaments, and within matches. I'm not inside Carlos' head, and I don't pretend to know what causes his all-too-frequent lapses in concentration. But I do know that it's been an issue for far too long and JCF really hasn't done anything to change it. Truly very few things are unchangeable with devotion and practice. Novak has spoke at length about how his mental strength is not a "gift," but rather something he has developed over years through conscious, devoted practice. These are not things JCF has had success at teaching Carlos.

Maybe that's the magic of it all. Perhaps the ebbs and flows are all just part of his makeup and it will be with him for his entire career—that you can't have the ridiculous highs without the ominous lows. I'm aware of the Netflix documentary, his partying til 6am, his need for the approach to be somewhat laissez faire. I'll be a fan regardless. But he's 22, his prefrontal cortex is not yet fully developed. He needs a coach who is able/willing to steer him in the right direction. With prospects of a top-5 career in the sport's history and your main rival has just taken the lead in momentum between you two, there's very little excuse not to try to work on these things. I'm not saying he has to go sober and become a monk, but he's got to do something to help with his focus issues.


Rebuttal to "Carlos has won 5 slams with JCF. Why would he fire him?"
There have really only been two slams that Carlos has won during which he needed a tactical adjustment, Wimbledon 2023 and the French Open 2025. I won't dwell too much on the Wimbledon 23 F, to be honest I can't really remember to what extent tactical adjustments were made/changed throughout the match, I remember it a lot more as a momentum-driven affair. On the latter, what really needs to be said. Alcaraz was a point away from losing because he/JCF hadn't made a single tactical adjustment until God seemingly stepped in before it was too late. Carlos didn't actually change his game at all in late third, fourth, or fifth set. He just played better.

Closing:
For what it's worth, I think all of these things should be on the players' shoulders regardless, at least during matches. Tennis should be an individual sport where you have to diagnose and make changes on your own. But given that coaching is allowed, I really do think JCF is holding Carlos back.

Carlos is a magical athlete; he has a steel nerve unlike anyone in the sport's history, save for Novak. He is very, very good at adapting and raising his level, but I view adapting as expressly different from making a tactical adjustment, something I really think he's still incapable of doing. I think this is, to an extent, a large part of what drives his inconsistency of results during parts (hard court swings) of the season. The round 2 loss at the USO was maybe the best example of this; he just kept hitting his head against the wall trying to hit the ball through Botic Van de Zandschlup and never actually changed his tactical approach. At some point, his raw talent and top-3 ever athleticism won't be enough to stave off the rest of the tour, but really won't be able to stave off Sinner, as was demonstrated today. I think a new coach is in order, because these are problems that will only fester if they go uncured.



P.S. This is my first attempt at a longer analysis of a match diving into some stats/what I saw while watching. I quite like to write and I quite like to watch tennis, so I figured this would be a good outlet for it. Any feedback would be appreciated.

you should DM this to JCF
 
Compared to most sports it's very true. This is a 1 on 1 sport, there are no super complex gameplans. And Carlos doesn't need technical help like fixing his footwork or forehand or anything like that. Maybe could still make a few tweaks on his serve motion or return positioning, but it's incredibly minor in the grand scheme.

For most of tennis history there was no in match coaching at all. A pro at that level can make mid-match adjustments on their own. You don't need a coach to tell you where to stand or where to aim each point.

Hell, Federer didn't even have a coach at all during one of his most dominant periods. Alcaraz has played Sinner more than enough times to know what to do, it's all about execution at this level.
No I totally get that. I guess I was just questioning the general concept of tennis being a simple sport. More so than most, if not all other sports, tennis at the highest level requires mastery of a ton of specialized movements/actions. For example a baseball pitcher only has to master the execution of one basic movement. (I know he has to learn different pitches but the general action is the same) Similarly a tennis serve is the same basic movement and you have to learn different serve types. Except you also have to do a TON of other crap.

So basicaly it's not just on court strategy. It's mastery of a bunch of different strokes, you have to have the mental focus and concentration of an elite golfer, the fitness demands are greater than most other sports. I think all that is what makes it way more complex than most lay people think.

An elite level pro with a good match strategy will make it look easy and simple but when you factor everything that went into making it look easy and simple it's anything but.
 
Alcaraz is not someone that’s going to benefit much from any coach. He plays on instinct and feel. He’s not like Sinner who maps everything out and has a plan for every occasion.

The only way a coach can really help him is be a good motivator (which usually isn’t an issue anyways), and maybe instill some discipline.
 
I don't think it's a coaching problem as much as a Carlos problem. The fact he came out in the second set and instantly lost his serve was entirely, 100% on him and his inability to maintain his focus. I'm actually very pessimistic about his chances going forward. Sinner can now beat him relatively easily on hardcourt and grass and he really should've beaten Carlos in Paris too.

IMO the disparity between them is only going to increase with time, which is great for Sinner's fans but not for the rest of us.
 
I don't think it's a coaching problem as much as a Carlos problem. The fact he came out in the second set and instantly lost his serve was entirely, 100% on him and his inability to maintain his focus. I'm actually very pessimistic about his chances going forward. Sinner can now beat him relatively easily on hardcourt and grass and he really should've beaten Carlos in Paris too.

IMO the disparity between them is only going to increase with time, which is great for Sinner's fans but not for the rest of us.
When you are (relatively) short, the serve is only ever going to be so good.

I’m not a Carlos fan either, but this is indeed going to be a suck time for the sport.
 
Just like Alcaraz now, Federer rarely made drastic tactical adjustments mid-match, because he rarely needed to. His talent was often enough. He didn’t have to out-coach an opponent, he just played better tennis. And like Alcaraz, when it worked, it looked like genius.
 
I kind of like Agassi's assessment that Alcaraz has all these tools but doesn't know what to do with them. If you look at the big3, they have their bread and butter point construction strategy tailored toward their game. Alcaraz i feel doesn't or haven't quite established this yet.

I think what he needs is to pick a style and becoming a master at that instead of this jack of all trades approach which maybe contributing to him losing focus or being erratic in his performance.
 
I don't think it's a coaching problem as much as a Carlos problem. The fact he came out in the second set and instantly lost his serve was entirely, 100% on him and his inability to maintain his focus. I'm actually very pessimistic about his chances going forward. Sinner can now beat him relatively easily on hardcourt and grass and he really should've beaten Carlos in Paris too.

IMO the disparity between them is only going to increase with time, which is great for Sinner's fans but not for the rest of us.
It’s definitely a huge knock on Carlos that he lost serve to start the 2nd. He had all the momentum with 2 straight breaks and a masterful set point, but then he just donates the first service game to suck all the life from the lead he earned. I feel like from that moment you basically felt the match was tied, and that’s not a feeling you want to have after the emotional highs of winning a set.

I do think being realistic, Sinner will keep a comfortable lead over Alcaraz at world #1 for the foreseeable future due to his sheer consistency along with now seemingly playing the big matches just as well as Alcaraz. But I still anticipate it being very competitive going forward particularly in the H2H and Alcaraz will make adjustments.
 
Some people on this forum fail to understand that in tennis, sometimes a great player loses to another great player that was just better that day.

Are you trying to tell us that things like form of the day, match up etc. are for real? And that a tennis players' level is fluid, rather than a fixed situation from day one to the end of times? Wow.
 
OP, I like your match analysis a lot.
To me it was just a day when he woke up with his tennis a little bit off. When he complained that Sinner was better from the baseline (I was perceiving that they were more or less equal), it meant that he could not find a way to play in his own terms; this is, by creating holes to play winners, dropshots, or opportunities to go to the net. Credits to Sinner, but in reality most of the rallies, even if the numbers in the end are balanced, come from the serve and return dynamics, which favoured Sinner by a wide margin.

Basically, he needs to figure out an identity. Is he a power baseliner? A counter puncher? An all-court offensive player? You cay say he does all of that, but that is the problem. Yes, he CAN do all of that because he is an immense talent. But it's too schizophrenic. He should NOT be getting overwhelmed in baseline rallies with such a great FH. He should not be bailing on rallies with his great groundstrokes and horizontal movement.

His game is incredible, but it's a mess.
The thing is, he can play many styles and that should be a good thing. I agree that he needs to play more "ordered" in the sense of chosing a game style that is suited to bother his opponent depending on the circumstances and the opponent himself. Whether this is JCFs fault or not, that's a difficult statement.
 
Which is longest slam men finals both in terms of time & games at all 4 slams

Tn in advance

Open era only
 
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People keep piling on JCF to acknowledge their tennis know-how, fact is none of them has done anything in tennis!

How do you shape Charlie's career? All of you will do miserably!
 
RG 2025 also comes to mind. JCF went on record stating he didn't expect Carlos to. He was stunned to see Charlie full of self belief staring at death, vamosing to himself.

The USO campaign with Lopez was stellar work though. Showed what JCF could still do when he gave two shots about being a full-time coach doing work in accordance to the pay received
 
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