The X-Men!

JackB1

G.O.A.T.
Re...ports vs. holes....somebody post a direct comparison already!!! I'm placing an order on monday and I need to know what to order!!!
I will be doing that soon! I have one of each now. Might be hitting it some today at lunchtime (indoors).
 

chaddles

Semi-Pro
Could you describe the feel a bit more please? And were serves better compared to the string holes?

And one more question...when you say more control on topspin shots, do you mean that the ports gave you more control innately (is that even a word?) or were you finding more control because of any extra spin generated?

Sorry to bombard you with questions...but thanks! Everybody seems to be talking about the ports. I'm going to have to pick up some myself!

Thanks,

OneHander
It felt like you couldn't miss the sweetspot, it was very smooth compared to the string holes - there was less feel than the string holes. I had a hit with both the other night and the string holes definitely had more control and I enjoyed the feedback that the string holes gave me.

The control came from easier spin production, without sacrificing direction. The lower tension could of helped with that too which is why I am going to try the ports at my regular tension. The ports were definitely more forgiving, I couldn't say which I favoured more, they both had there ups - think I might have 2 ports and 2 string holes set upo for the future.

Did you notice a large increase in power with the ports or is it just a slight increase?
I didn't notice a huge increase in power, just a smoother feel and I felt like I controlled the ball a lot better and was able to get more action on the ball with slices and topspin.
 

JackB1

G.O.A.T.
Any new Rebel owners have some difficulty getting good pace of their shots at first? Did going to a lower tension help? I just had a session where I went back and forth with my Radical Pro and there was noticeably more pop and power in my shots with the Radical. Right now I am strung at 56/54 with multi/poly. Should I go down to 50-52 with full multi for most power?
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
Jack, try your poly at 50#s and multi at 52.

I used to want more power out of my sticks, but the more I play, the less power I need. So this could be a good thing for you in the long run. The problem I had with the Rad was I could not hybrid (broke them too fast) and had to go full poly. Full poly at low tensions was comfy but too much power and not enough control.

You tend to think too much it seems, and if someone says your shots are not as hard, you can't let that make your racquet choice. I was told that with the 4D when I started it, but I was also told I was a far better player with it. I was just told last night that I am hitting just as hard now as with the Rad.

So give it some time and don't overthink this stuff. As long as your shots are consistent and everything is going in, you are good. The racquets I switch from are the ones that I can't control after a while due to stroke development.
 

JackB1

G.O.A.T.
Jack, try your poly at 50#s and multi at 52.

I used to want more power out of my sticks, but the more I play, the less power I need. So this could be a good thing for you in the long run. The problem I had with the Rad was I could not hybrid (broke them too fast) and had to go full poly. Full poly at low tensions was comfy but too much power and not enough control.

You tend to think too much it seems, and if someone says your shots are not as hard, you can't let that make your racquet choice. I was told that with the 4D when I started it, but I was also told I was a far better player with it. I was just told last night that I am hitting just as hard now as with the Rad.

So give it some time and don't overthink this stuff. As long as your shots are consistent and everything is going in, you are good. The racquets I switch from are the ones that I can't control after a while due to stroke development.
You are right about overthinking things :)

I am definitely going to do everything I can to keep the Rebel. I love the feel of it so much, they will have to pry it from my hands :)

That said.....I will try 50/52 next......I just wish I hadn't strung it so high.
I heard you can "loosen" a stringbed by putting the racquet on the ground and lightly standing on it for a few seconds. Has anyone tried this? Also, this was a brand new stringjob and they always tend to be tightest first time out.
 

TheOneHander

Professional
That said.....I will try 50/52 next......I just wish I hadn't strung it so high.

I heard you can "loosen" a stringbed by putting the racquet on the ground and lightly standing on it for a few seconds. Has anyone tried this? Also, this was a brand new stringjob and they always tend to be tightest first time out.
Yep. 50/52 is good. Most people here except for chaddles and ryushen like it :)

But the bold is a no-no. Standing on the strings is generally a bad idea because you're exerting more force and putting weight and stress on the racquet that isn't used to. I've done this before and it warps the frame too much and damages the grommets.

I'd just play it for a while and I'd string the poly even a bit lower too.

Hope this helps, and enjoy your new stick! :)

OneHander
 

JackB1

G.O.A.T.
Yep. 50/52 is good. Most people here except for chaddles and ryushen like it :)

But the bold is a no-no. Standing on the strings is generally a bad idea because you're exerting more force and putting weight and stress on the racquet that isn't used to. I've done this before and it warps the frame too much and damages the grommets.

I'd just play it for a while and I'd string the poly even a bit lower too.

Hope this helps, and enjoy your new stick! :)

OneHander
I decided against standing on the strings...I heard it works, but I dont want to damage the frame or the grommets. I'll just play with it a little and see if it loosens up some and if not just restring.
 

ryushen21

Legend
Yep. 50/52 is good. Most people here except for chaddles and ryushen like it :)

But the bold is a no-no. Standing on the strings is generally a bad idea because you're exerting more force and putting weight and stress on the racquet that isn't used to. I've done this before and it warps the frame too much and damages the grommets.

I'd just play it for a while and I'd string the poly even a bit lower too.

Hope this helps, and enjoy your new stick! :)

OneHander
In my defense, I used to play with poly at lower tensions but had a number of problems with it. Mainly it was too much power and not enough control. You have to remember that I'm not a big spin hitter. I like to ht flat as much as possible. The other thing that I found was that strings at lower tensions broke faster for me. I don't know if was the added movement from the lower tensions or whatever.

All that being said, all of the qualities of the rebel that I love have been the ones that I have described at my current tension. The idea of stringing at a lower tension is really beyond me because of my stroke style and hitting style.
 

TheOneHander

Professional
In my defense, I used to play with poly at lower tensions but had a number of problems with it. Mainly it was too much power and not enough control. You have to remember that I'm not a big spin hitter. I like to ht flat as much as possible. The other thing that I found was that strings at lower tensions broke faster for me. I don't know if was the added movement from the lower tensions or whatever.

All that being said, all of the qualities of the rebel that I love have been the ones that I have described at my current tension. The idea of stringing at a lower tension is really beyond me because of my stroke style and hitting style.
Not trying to attack you at all :) Just didn't know your story. It's kind of funny because heavy spin players and flat hitters alike enjoy this frame so much.

Thanks!

OneHander
 

Sup2Dresq

Hall of Fame
Update on Monfil's rebel.

The touring pro was at the club this week. We talked. He was hitting with a new Dunlop. Told him his fan base *which was funny to him* wants to know why? He never liked the retail rebel, and Prince stopped giving out the monfils rebel since march. he doesn't know why.

He's trying to earn some points to get into the French open doubles draw. He is going to asia I think to start.

Anyways, I thought it was a good time to see if any of you guys want to make bids on this Monfils racquet and those experimental racquets (I posted pics/video of these in this thread). Then we can work something out with this guy.

Great opportunity. Just need to know what to bid. Ross? You hearing this?

p.s. Ross, I got your honorary x-men post but didn't make the list from the last post. Maybe you need more trumpets to sound the news. :(
 

Ross K

Legend
Update on Monfil's rebel.

The touring pro was at the club this week. We talked. He was hitting with a new Dunlop. Told him his fan base *which was funny to him* wants to know why? He never liked the retail rebel, and Prince stopped giving out the monfils rebel since march. he doesn't know why.

He's trying to earn some points to get into the French open doubles draw. He is going to asia I think to start.

Anyways, I thought it was a good time to see if any of you guys want to make bids on this Monfils racquet and those experimental racquets (I posted pics/video of these in this thread). Then we can work something out with this guy.

Great opportunity. Just need to know what to bid. Ross? You hearing this?

p.s. Ross, I got your honorary x-men post but didn't make the list from the last post. Maybe you need more trumpets to sound the news. :(
Sup and TheOneHander,

Great info again. We all owe you a debt around here for what you've uncovered (and even secretly photographed!) I'm not running things in these parts any longer, so... OneHander could you please oblige and add Sup2DResq to the membership as an honorary member for his services to the cause!?...

Cheers chaps!

R.

BTW, Sup, thanks for the heads up... I would be VERY interested in acquiring the pro experimental if it wasn't for a certain huge issue - namely, the ridiculous import tax hassles (and other problems I've experienced before) that unfortunately rules out purchases from the US and other countries for me.:( Surely others will be more than happy to take it off your friend's hands though???
 

Sup2Dresq

Hall of Fame
BTW, Sup, thanks for the heads up... I would be VERY interested in acquiring the pro experimental if it wasn't for a certain huge issue - namely, the ridiculous import tax hassles (and other problems I've experienced before) that unfortunately rules out purchases from the US and other countries for me.:( Surely others will be more than happy to take it off your friend's hands though???
He's a struggling pro player, traveling between asia/europe and here. Bet you could works something out during one of his trips. Just putting that out there.
 

TheOneHander

Professional
1 - Ross K (Exo3 Reb 95, Kirshbaum ProLine 2 @ 50lbs)
2 - Taz23 (Exo3 Reb 95)
3 - Donbot (Exo3 Ignite)
4 - Ljubicic for no 1 (Exo3 Reb 95 & Graphite 100)
5 - kimguroo (Japanese/Asian Exo3 Reb 95)
6 - davetennis (Exo3 Reb 95)
7 - Prince03UserInOz (Exo3 Graphite 100)
8 - SlAyEr (Exo3 Reb 95)
9 - Anton - (Exo3 Reb 95, Topspin Cyber Flash 17L @ 60)
10 - GhOst (Exo3 Graphite 100)
11 -Tennis_dude^V^ (Exo3 Reb 95)
12 - vasquez90 (Exo3 Reb 95)
13 - themitchmann (Exo3 Reb 95)
14 - Tipsy (Exo3 Reb 95)
15 - JonnyJolly11 (Exo3 ignite)
16 - Teyko (Exo3 Reb 95)
17 - Chicken Neck (Exo3 Reb 95)
18 - game set match 46 TIMES!! (Exo3 Reb 95 Team, some string at some tension)
19 - Applesauceman (Exo3 Ignite 95)
20 - lefty10spro (Exo3 Graphite 100)
21 - rchang730 (Exo3 Reb 95)
22 - ninobrn99 (Exo3 Reb team)
23 - chaddles (Exo3 Reb 95)
24 - ci2ca (Exo3 Reb 95)
25 - tenniscourtoath (Exo3 Reb 95)
26 - Klementine79 (Exo3 Reb 95)
27 - IStern (Exo3 Reb 95)
28 - i_need_rice (Exo3 Ignite 95)
29 - gfc101 (Exo3 Reb 95)
30 - TheOneHander (Exo3 Reb Team 95, Prince Poly EXP)
31 - JackB1 (Exo3 Reb 95, Prince Premiere LT 17/Prince Poly EXP 18 @ 54)
32 - baseline_monster (Exo3 Reb 95, Luxilon Big Bander Alu Power @ 54)
33 - ryushen21 (Exo3 Reb 95, Tecnifibre Black Code)
34 - artworks (Exo3 Reb 95, Kirshbaum ProLine 2 @ 50lbs)
35 - Woodersen (Exo3 Reb 95, NXT Tour/Alu Power)
36 - PrinceAce (Prince Exo3 Graphite/ 58 All round hybrid strings Prince Exo3 Reb 95/ 55Mains 53Cross Hybrid)
37-Sup2Dresq (Honorary Member)

Yay honorary members! :D

And if you don't give me the experimental frame, I will remove your name from the members list by the power vested in me!

Or lack thereof...

Just kidding though :D

Happy hitting!

OneHander
 

TheOneHander

Professional
So what do you guys think about naural gut in the Rebel or preferably the Rebel Team?

What is the general consensus from the X-Men?

Thanks!

OneHander
 

TheOneHander

Professional
So are diaper shorts...but they're just like natural gut. Considered a must have item for many and super comfortable while playing tennis.

:D

Have you tried NG?

Thanks!

OneHander
 

Anton

Legend
So are diaper shorts...but they're just like natural gut. Considered a must have item for many and super comfortable while playing tennis.

:D

Have you tried NG?

Thanks!

OneHander
I've tried it once and absolutely hated it - it was pocketing the ball too much, I like a firmer feeling stringbed and poly gives me everything I need - I don't have to fix it all the time, it's firm, consistent and gives me good deflection angle to pick up the the low balls.

As far as comfort, you don't need any if your racket is heavy and stable enough. Fully poly in my Rebel is very comfortable for me.

Oh - and it costs 1/4 of what cow intestines go for and last about two-three times longer
 
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Anton

Legend
So, the 4D 200 I played with had more swingweight and I was playing fairly well with it, so I decided to play around some more with lead.

Originally when I had the lead at 10 and 2 I didn't get a very uniform feel on the face of the racket - I felt it flexed it a little different because of it.

So this time I just put 2 grams at 12 - the difference was big and racket felt very whippy and carried the stroke well - but torsional stability was iffy and slightly off center hits would effect the racket a lot.

From there I decided to spread out the weight and ended up using about 4 grams of lead. I cut it up into 15mm pieces (each spanning the width of the frame) and just distributed them as even as I could from about 8 to 4.

That came out to be seriously SOLID and with very good swing balance. In fact the extra weight had the balls digging deeper into my string bed to the point that now I had to go all the way to western grip to control the ball on full swing.

I popped the 17L poly on one of my serves and went for a bit stiffer setup for better control - I used 17 gauge Gosen Polylon SP at 61lbs (probably around 57lbs on properly calibrated machines).

I'm really impressed with the result. I just had so much confidence on every stroke - serves, forehands, returns. Now I could really setup well and take some seriously fast swings at the ball without it flying out - so solid, and consistent. :twisted:
 
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chaddles

Semi-Pro
So what do you guys think about naural gut in the Rebel or preferably the Rebel Team?

What is the general consensus from the X-Men?

Thanks!

OneHander
I tried a full bed of nat gut with string savers in a Reb 95, and I didn't like it much at all - it was very disappointing. So I cut out the nat gut crosses and replaced them with Alu Rough (plus string savers) and it played a lot better, but still not even close to M2 Pro.

I didn't like the lack of feel that the nat gut had and the lack of spin that it produced compared to M2 Pro especially - I use an eastern forehand and the M2 Pro really gives you good spin on all shots.
 

Ljubicic for number1

Hall of Fame
I think NGUT is sooo last millenium :)

Yeah I agree.
I have tried a full job and hybrids with poly x's and hated both set ups.

I have just changed my set up from BAM @50lbs to full blue gear 1.25mm @ 50lbs. Really loving this set up, wish I done it months ago, I now feel like I have wasted the last few months with the other set up. Can really get some fizz on my shots now.
 

JackB1

G.O.A.T.
So, the 4D 200 I played with had more swingweight and I was playing fairly well with it, so I decided to play around some more with lead.
Anton.....is the 200 much lower powered than the Rebel? How about sweetspot size and access to spin?
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
IMO, the 4d is less powered then the rebel. the sweetspot is also smaller. The tradeoff is that the racquet's precision is ridiculous. It also gives you huge power IF your technique is good.

I started with it and was not hitting as hard as I can now. It takes time to get comfortable with a player's racquet. But once you get there, the rewards are huge.

Let's see what Anton thinks. I don't need to lead up the 4d. I think the weight is awesome as is for my game already. Right around 12ozs and over 335 in SW is about all I really need right now.
 

Anton

Legend
Anton.....is the 200 much lower powered than the Rebel? How about sweetspot size and access to spin?
Power about the same - but 200's string pattern is a bit tighter towards the middle so at same tension and string it will play stiffer and more flat. I also felt that 200 felt slightly more "bulky" in it's balance and took more preperation time to get comparable swing speeds - probably because my rebel had a more polarized weight destribution.

Sweetspot was big but not quite as sweet as Rebel's.

But keep in mind when I say sweetspot I most closesly mean stable, torque free area of the racket face and not the feel of tiny vibrations , which don't particularly concern me much.

For both 200 and my lightly leaded up Rebel the sweetspot is pretty much the entire stringbed. Though like I said, 200 had more of a "dry" feel with more tiny, high-frequency vibrations coming through, so if "sweetspot" is all about feel for you then 200 had a smaller one.

Also - in stock form my Rebels had much smaller sweetspot, a bit smaller then 200 - but still sweeter ;)
 
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JackB1

G.O.A.T.
Also - in stock form my Rebels had much smaller sweetspot, a bit smaller then 200 - but still sweeter ;)
How did you lead up your Rebel again Anton? I wish it were a little lighter so I could add a little lead to the hoop to make it about 4-6 pts HL.

So which stick are you favoring at the moment?
 

Anton

Legend
How did you lead up your Rebel again Anton? I wish it were a little lighter so I could add a little lead to the hoop to make it about 4-6 pts HL.

So which stick are you favoring at the moment?
I like Rebel more because of feel, a bit more open and more even spaced stringbed, and also the grip shape works better for me.

However, 200 4D does look a bit more sturdy and looks like it could outlast the Rebel frames. I'll see how long Rebels last me, but if they get flexy fast or break like they did for an aquaintaince of mine, I may switch to 200 just to save money and not have to deal with re-matching my frames.

I didn't put the 200 on the scales, but for me the Rebel cuts through the air easier even with lead.

Keep in mind there are deviations from one frame to the next - TW tested Rebel that was 12.3oz without the og, the two main ones I have are 12.35 with the og (which is about 0.2oz) - thats about 6 grams difference. This is why it's best to just get a few frames at once, so they come from same batch and are consistent.

Don't be afraid to try out lead on the loop - even if you'll make it +1 point more healight the difference in plow through and stability will be very substantial.

I'll take a picture of my lead setup when I get home.
 
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Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
That's another thing that turned me off a little from Prince. The QC is bad. The demo I had with no lead was 12.5ozs while all the Dunlops were solid at 11.9oz.

I agree that if I bought a rebel, I would lead up at 12. I also would bet that the Pro version of the Rebel is less headlight. I think that is why Sup's friend switched to a Dunlop. They are somewhat similar racquets, but the Dunlop's balance is probably more similar to the Rebel Pro mold..that is just a guess.
 

JackB1

G.O.A.T.
That's another thing that turned me off a little from Prince. The QC is bad. The demo I had with no lead was 12.5ozs while all the Dunlops were solid at 11.9oz.

I agree that if I bought a rebel, I would lead up at 12. I also would bet that the Pro version of the Rebel is less headlight. I think that is why Sup's friend switched to a Dunlop. They are somewhat similar racquets, but the Dunlop's balance is probably more similar to the Rebel Pro mold..that is just a guess.
I guess I'll try a little lead at 12 oclock to see how that feels/plays. I'll start with 2 grams and go from there.
 

JackB1

G.O.A.T.
thanks for the pics.

I've never seen anyone apply lead in that manner before. What is the total added weight? Any reasons why you did it that way? I am going to try (2) or (4) 4" strips at 12 o'clock and see how that plays.
 

Anton

Legend
thanks for the pics.

I've never seen anyone apply lead in that manner before. What is the total added weight? Any reasons why you did it that way? I am going to try (2) or (4) 4" strips at 12 o'clock and see how that plays.
IMO 4 grams at 12 is an overkill.

the total weight added is about 3 grams or .1oz - 16 pieces each about 15mm.

I was trying to spread out the added weight because when I concentrated it in single spots (2 and 10) I felt like racket flexes a bit uneven around the face and I think I was getting less consistent hit. With lead spread out it just feels solid and confident.

I don't know what your level is but even with my setup now I rarely "max out" the power or feel like rarcket was anything less then solid. If I have full time to setup (which is not all that often if you are playing competetively) I can really bash the crap out of the ball confidently.
 
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JackB1

G.O.A.T.
IMO 4 grams at 12 is an overkill.

the total weight added is about 3 grams or .1oz - 16 pieces each about 15mm.

I was trying to spread out the added weight because when I concentrated it in single spots (2 and 10) I felt like racket flexes a bit uneven around the face and I think I was getting less consistent hit. With lead spread out it just feels solid and confident.

I don't know what your level is but even with my setup now I rarely "max out" the power or feel like rarcket was anything less then solid. If I have full time to setup (which is not all that often if you are playing competetively) I can really bash the crap out of the ball confidently.
You may be right, but I won't know until I try it. Weight at 12' has the most impact with the least amount needed. I am just trying to bring down the extreme HL balance a little and add a little more power at the same time.
I will start with just 2g's at the tip and go up slowly from there until the racquet feels too heavy.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
Jack..put your index finger in the throat and hold it that way to see the balance. That is the easiest way to get a feel for how much lead you will need. I'd run to the tennis shop and try it with a stick balanced around 5-7 points and make a mental note, then you will be set.
 

JackB1

G.O.A.T.
Sorry guys, but I am going to go with my YT Radical Pro instead of the Rebel. It just works for me so much better. I love the power the Rad gives me and to get the same pace on the ball with the Rebel, I have to work much harder.

Long story short, I will be putting my 2 beauties up F/S shortly and they are MINT and one has brand new strings. It really pains me to let go, because hitting with the Rebel is smoooooth as silk. But I have to pick which works better for me.
 

TheOneHander

Professional
Jack...does this mean that you won't be on the member's list?

Now, thanks to you, I have to renumber everything again!

Thanks a ton buddy :evil:

/sarcasm

Just kidding :)

I'll edit it when we get a new member.

Bye Jack. If you're feeling clubmembership sick, might I suggest the "Long Live the Radicals!!!" thread? :D

Thanks,

OneHander
 
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JackB1

G.O.A.T.
Jack...does this mean that you won't be on the member's list?

Now, thanks to you, I have to renumber everything again!

Thanks a ton buddy :evil:

/sarcasm

Just kidding :)

I'll edit it when we get a new member.

Bye Jack. If you're feeling clubmembership sick, might I suggest the "Long Live the Radicals!!!" thread? :D

Thanks,

OneHander
You can leave me on the list :)

I might keep one around just because....
 

TheOneHander

Professional
Alrighty then. Will do!

It seems like there has been less interest in our fine establishment. Curse those YT Prestiges and the dreaded APDGTs!

Although the EXO3 Whites and Blacks just came out, there's not a lot of people talking about it :cry:

May the ports be with you!

OneHander
 

Anton

Legend
I play with the ports...I like the feel of it better...the (pingy) sound from the holes did not appeal to me...
with the rubber band no pinging from my rebels and I hate pingy noise, so I would notice.

With the added weight it just *THUMP*s like Prestige Classic 600.
 
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JackB1

G.O.A.T.
I play with the ports...I like the feel of it better...the (pingy) sound from the holes did not appeal to me...
I didn't notice much difference between the ports and the string holes. Maybe a bit more muted with the ports. Nothing major.
 

Anton

Legend
Oh man hitting with my main leaded up frame past few days - got better used to the setup and I'm playing really aggressively.

The frame is just so solid and so well balanced I feel like not a single stroke is lacking. Serving bombs without effort, almost no double faults, consistently putting crazy pace and spin on forehands, nice control, deep placement and quick defense on backhands, volleys are like a wall.

I was also surprised how well my defensive game is working - I'm really being able to get to those out-wide shots and aggressively slice them back to get back into point. The balance is just right so I can snap the racket on the stretch for a solid block-slice.

Return game has been tremendous too, feeling really confident ripping back any second serve - just relax slightly, split step forward when the guy hits the ball and the rest just happens.

Never played so well :twisted:

I've string my hole port racket up again with thinner gauge string (17L) - I'll try that next time I play.
 
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JackB1

G.O.A.T.
Aaarrrggghhhhh my eyes!! The yellowness!!
It looks great with these overgrips and strings. I get comments on the court all the time.

BTW, I only have 1 left. If anyone wants it, let me know ASAP. (4 1/2).
 
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