There is no rule saying a player who hits somebody MUST be disqualified

sredna42

Hall of Fame
This was during the point.

Stop comparing apples and oranges.
For a top professional, ,it was a blatant act of aggression and unrealistic attempt, leading to potential severe injury to a minor. It is not unreasonable to suspect that he actually aimed at her too. Nadal's hostility to ball kids is well known, after his attempt to bite a ball kid on the face at the AO many years ago which was hushed up by the ATP. That ballkid in this instance was just lucky Uncle Toni was able to control him with the silent whistle Cesar Milan gave him before Nadal tried to bite her too. Something needs to be done about Nadal, I am going to repoart him to the President and the UN.
 

Candide

Hall of Fame
Come on man, "minor clip"? It was a backhand from Nadal at nearly point blank range to the face. It was probably at least twice as hard as this ball he hit here
I don't know about that. It was a bit harder no doubt but there's a big difference between being hit on your lantern jawbone and being hit right in the throat.
 
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navigator

Hall of Fame
So, I'm still waiting for specific instances where other players have hit refs, linespeople, or ballboys with a ball struck in frustration between points or after games... and were not DQ'd from the match. Who/when? No one's posted one yet. Given the consternation over Djokovic's DQ I assume these exist. Otherwise, I'm trying to understand the provenance of said consternation.
Still waiting....

C'mon conspiracy theorists, I know you can do better than this. This is a pitiful performance.
 
Still waiting....

C'mon conspiracy theorists, I know you can do better than this. This is a pitiful performance.
It's so funny how much this mirrors the objections of the Serena apologists to Carlos Ramos, where they talked about 'many' players being let off for the same thing that she did. And once you got into the granular details of these 'many' cases, not one had the same set of facts. The fact that the other players had known to de-escalate upon receiving the first warning (which she didn't) was ignored. Likewise the fact here that these 'other cases' did not involve actually hitting a linesperson when the ball was not in play is ignored to create a false narrative of biased action against Djokovic.
 

chatt_town

Hall of Fame
Every time an incident like this happens, we have people chiming in saying or implying that the rules say a player must be immediately disqualified if they hit someone else on court. This is not actually true, but it's so often repeated by fans and commentators that people think it is. Let's see what the rules actually say. Relevant sections:

N. ABUSE OF BALLS

Players shall not violently, dangerously or with anger hit, kick or throw a tennis ball within the precincts of the tournament site except in the reasonable pursuit of a point during a match (including warm-up).
Violation of this Section shall subject a player to fine up to $20,000 for each violation. In addition, if such violation occurs during a match (including the warmup) the player shall be penalised in accordance with the Point Penalty Schedule hereinafter set forth.
For the purposes of this Rule, abuse of balls is defined as intentionally hitting a ball out of the enclosure of the court, hitting a ball dangerously or recklessly within the court or hitting a ball with negligent disregard of the consequences.

Q. PHYSICAL ABUSE

Players shall not at any time physically abuse any official, opponent, spectator or other person within the precincts of the tournament site.
Violation of this Section shall subject a player to a fine up to $20,000 for each violation. In addition, if such violation occurs during a match (including the warmup), the player shall be penalised in accordance with the Point Penalty Schedule hereinafter set forth. In circumstances that are flagrant and particularly injurious to the success of a tournament, or are singularly egregious, a single violation of this Section shall also constitute the Major Offence of “Aggravated Behaviour” and shall be subject to the additional penalties hereinafter set forth.
For the purposes of this Rule, physical abuse is the unauthorised touching of an official, opponent, spectator or other person.


The player shall be penalized according to the Point Penalty Schedule. This is what the Point Penalty Schedule mandates:

S. POINT PENALTY SCHEDULE

The Point Penalty Schedule to be used for violations set forth above is as follows:

FIRST offence: WARNING
SECOND offence: POINT PENALTY
THIRD AND EACH SUBSEQUENT offence: GAME PENALTY

However, after the third Code Violation, the Referee in consultation with the Grand Slam Chief of Supervisors shall determine whether each subsequent offence shall constitute a default.


In cases of a particularly egregious offense, tournament referee MAY choose to default the player (section T of the code). So this is and always has been a judgement call; as it should be.

Rulebook: https://www.itftennis.com/media/2495/grand-slam-rulebook-2020-f.pdf
So what do you think should've happen in light of the other instances where people did hit someone with a ball or whatever and was put out of the tourney. I get your point of the person "not having to be thrown out". What do you think should've happened? I personally think if they threw other players out for it, he should've been thrown out for it as well. Him being the #1 player in the world shouldn't carry any weight.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
Henman did something similar at Wimbledon, when he was defaulted from a mixed doubles match for accidentally hitting a ballgirl with a ball. There is precedent for this.

Djokovic is a professional and should have known better. One of the things I like about tennis is no player, however big they are, is above the rules and bigger than the sport.
Why are sensible posts like this in the minority on TTW?
 
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