Thermogate … uh oh

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
First Gen of anything (not just paddles) is risky from this standpoint.

Joola also sent Legacy a C&D letter over logo … patent law seems seriously messed up (cleaned that up) when someone can own a triangle image. Just a payday for patent lawyers. I know one thing … I now will never own a Joola paddle.

Some have pointed out Joola logo looks like Adobe’s… lol. Also … supposedly Linkin Park band gave the ok to Legacy on their logo.

Wow … add Trianglegate to Thermogate






 
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ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
My guess is they hire a cheap logo designer on fiverr or something and the logo designer ends up doing things like this.

I think Linkin Park logo is closer to the Legacy Pro logo

fighting over paddle logos … 1st world problems

yes … agree about Linkin Park logo … Chris mentioned that in a video.
 

tennytive

Hall of Fame
I have a first generation Phoenix Pro. Nice paddle but the edge guard kept splitting loose mainly at the 12. My fault from mishits, but the sound had the sickening resemblence to a cracked baseball bat which added to the embarassment of missing my shots in the middle of an otherwise interesting point. After repeated attempts with gorilla and loctite and even taping both sides of the top edge which looked tacky I decided to remove the edge guard completely and start from scratch. I was careful and was able to gently break the seal along the sides with a retractable blade and remove the guard in one long piece with no damage to it or the paddle's edge.
As I started to prepare the paddle by filling in several gaps in the edge with shoe goo, (high tech) I noticed how light the paddle now felt and weighed it to discover it was now an ounce and a half lighter. 7 oz versus 8.5. Playing with the X40 outdoor balls, my shots were sailing long or popping up at the net and control was missing from what I was used to indoors. I decided as an experiment to try this lighter version next time out so taped around the exposed edge and showed up the next day to see what would happen.
To my surprise the paddle performed much better that I expected. My tennis rackets and paddles were always weighted up which I preferred, so when this lighter paddle was allowing me to hit out and still keep the ball in and also avoid any mishits from a raised paddle edge I cancelled my intention to put the edge guard back on. I played with the paddle for another 2 months with better results and will continue to use it as my go to outdoor paddle. So many players I know buying up all the Joola Vison and Radius models because they're lighter made me curious.
I asked and was allowed to demo their paddles and to my mind I can't justify the expense to buy one of those when my paddle plays essentially the same.
Sorry for the wall of type, but I've had this on my mind for some time and never found a thread it seemed to fit. I hope it's interesting to some of you. As for logos, I prefer simple and subtle. Too many paddles are over designed im my opinion.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
I have a first generation Phoenix Pro. Nice paddle but the edge guard kept splitting loose mainly at the 12. My fault from mishits, but the sound had the sickening resemblence to a cracked baseball bat which added to the embarassment of missing my shots in the middle of an otherwise interesting point. After repeated attempts with gorilla and loctite and even taping both sides of the top edge which looked tacky I decided to remove the edge guard completely and start from scratch. I was careful and was able to gently break the seal along the sides with a retractable blade and remove the guard in one long piece with no damage to it or the paddle's edge.
As I started to prepare the paddle by filling in several gaps in the edge with shoe goo, (high tech) I noticed how light the paddle now felt and weighed it to discover it was now an ounce and a half lighter. 7 oz versus 8.5. Playing with the X40 outdoor balls, my shots were sailing long or popping up at the net and control was missing from what I was used to indoors. I decided as an experiment to try this lighter version next time out so taped around the exposed edge and showed up the next day to see what would happen.
To my surprise the paddle performed much better that I expected. My tennis rackets and paddles were always weighted up which I preferred, so when this lighter paddle was allowing me to hit out and still keep the ball in and also avoid any mishits from a raised paddle edge I cancelled my intention to put the edge guard back on. I played with the paddle for another 2 months with better results and will continue to use it as my go to outdoor paddle. So many players I know buying up all the Joola Vison and Radius models because they're lighter made me curious.
I asked and was allowed to demo their paddles and to my mind I can't justify the expense to buy one of those when my paddle plays essentially the same.
Sorry for the wall of type, but I've had this on my mind for some time and never found a thread it seemed to fit. I hope it's interesting to some of you. As for logos, I prefer simple and subtle. Too many paddles are over designed im my opinion.

Man … I love me some good DIY … great job. I actually read somewhere when replacing/re-gluing guard back on to scrape off old glue … so you did exactly the right thing.

I find 8ish oz paddle fills very light from baseline … so even if I find out lighter would help me at the kitchen I doubt I would go lighter. I think I am slowly accepting my baseline skills will always be better than those guys beating me in doubles. :-D
 

treo

Semi-Pro
Thermoforming is how tennis racquets are made and my $15 Optima paddle I bought in 2021 is thermoformed. I took off the buttcap and inside the handle looks exactly like a tennis racquet handle. After I sanded off the paint on the face I can see it is all one piece like a tennis frame and they inserted the poly core and glued the fiberglass faces on.
 

tennytive

Hall of Fame
Man … I love me some good DIY … great job. I actually read somewhere when replacing/re-gluing guard back on to scrape off old glue … so you did exactly the right thing.

I find 8ish oz paddle fills very light from baseline … so even if I find out lighter would help me at the kitchen I doubt I would go lighter. I think I am slowly accepting my baseline skills will always be better than those guys beating me in doubles. :-D
Thanks. I only use this lighter paddle outdoors with the more lively ball. My indoor paddle weighs 9 oz and with the lighter ball I can let the paddle do most of the work. The lighter paddle helps to mute the pace when facing hard drives at the kitchen line. Now the balls drop in the kitchen where I intend instead of popping up for sitters. Overall just a happy accident that may never have occurred had I not kept splitting the edge guard so often.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Thanks. I only use this lighter paddle outdoors with the more lively ball. My indoor paddle weighs 9 oz and with the lighter ball I can let the paddle do most of the work. The lighter paddle helps to mute the pace when facing hard drives at the kitchen line. Now the balls drop in the kitchen where I intend instead of popping up for sitters. Overall just a happy accident that may never have occurred had I not kept splitting the edge guard so often.

Other than a couple of initial times … all of my 3 months is indoors. We are provided (Lifetime Fitness) multiple types of balls … both indoor and outdoor types. To me … they are all plastic balls that don’t bounce enough ;) … but I do notice and do not like the Dura ball the tournament players like. Feels like hitting a rock to me. If I am picking the ball … don’t care indoor or outdoor … I just want the one that bounces the best. I bought some Onix Pure 2 (think that was the name) and wish all play was with it.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Thermoforming is how tennis racquets are made and my $15 Optima paddle I bought in 2021 is thermoformed. I took off the buttcap and inside the handle looks exactly like a tennis racquet handle. After I sanded off the paint on the face I can see it is all one piece like a tennis frame and they inserted the poly core and glued the fiberglass faces on.

Very interesting… I would have expected 100% automated. Chris … you look crazy fit … (y)
 

tennytive

Hall of Fame
Other than a couple of initial times … all of my 3 months is indoors. We are provided (Lifetime Fitness) multiple types of balls … both indoor and outdoor types. To me … they are all plastic balls that don’t bounce enough ;) … but I do notice and do not like the Dura ball the tournament players like. Feels like hitting a rock to me. If I am picking the ball … don’t care indoor or outdoor … I just want the one that bounces the best. I bought some Onix Pure 2 (think that was the name) and wish all play was with it.
Onix Pure 2 was my favorite outdoor ball too. Unfortunately the higher level players didn't like those and instead use the Franklin X40s. Took me an adjustment period, but now they're no problem except they crack so easily. Have also played with the Duras but don't care for them as much either. I think the pros use them in all their tournaments.

I think you will like outdoor play. Real court surface instead of wood, and the nets are much sturdier like tennis instead of the flimsy indoor type. Wind and sun can be challenging at times but that's part of the fun.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Onix Pure 2 was my favorite outdoor ball too. Unfortunately the higher level players didn't like those and instead use the Franklin X40s. Took me an adjustment period, but now they're no problem except they crack so easily. Have also played with the Duras but don't care for them as much either. I think the pros use them in all their tournaments.

I think you will like outdoor play. Real court surface instead of wood, and the nets are much sturdier like tennis instead of the flimsy indoor type. Wind and sun can be challenging at times but that's part of the fun.

Yes … always preferred outdoor tennis to indoors … and I see better outdoors. We got lucky on the indoor surface … they overlaid the basketball court surface with pickleball surface right before we joined. So I have played only briefly on outdoor tennis court surface, and 3 months on whatever (I will ask) you call our indoor surface.
 
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tennytive

Hall of Fame
If it's Pickleroll I'd be interested in how you like it. It's a giant mat they roll on the court. I've seen it used in pro tournaments. 5K. Wondering if it eventually would wrinkle from wear and tear.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
If it's Pickleroll I'd be interested in how you like it. It's a giant mat they roll on the court. I've seen it used in pro tournaments. 5K. Wondering if it eventually would wrinkle from wear and tear.

No … it’s not the pickleroll or mat … resurfaced like a tennis court
 

Lorenn

Hall of Fame
Onix Pure 2 was my favorite outdoor ball too. Unfortunately the higher level players didn't like those and instead use the Franklin X40s. Took me an adjustment period, but now they're no problem except they crack so easily. Have also played with the Duras but don't care for them as much either. I think the pros use them in all their tournaments.

I think you will like outdoor play. Real court surface instead of wood, and the nets are much sturdier like tennis instead of the flimsy indoor type. Wind and sun can be challenging at times but that's part of the fun.

Amazing how much impact the ball has on the overall game.

Onix Pure 2 is my favorite, especially in cold weather. My second Favorite was Penn. Third Franklin X-40 and finally Dura.

Dura I dislike mainly because the ball is not durable. I could adapt my game to the ball just fine.

X-40 is the compromise ball. It plays slightly like a dura but lasts longer.

Penn was the next step. I got a good deal on a large amount early on and really like the balls overall.

Onix Pure 2 is my favorite. They main negative is they don't normally fail. They just become increasingly soft.

Not really tried Core, Core Impact or Joola. Looking at them in photos I have opinions on how they would play from the looks of the plastic.
 
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tennytive

Hall of Fame
Played some with the Core. Very similar to the X40s but a little harder and more glossy finish. Never tried the others but that's because the group I play with all uses the X40s.
Indoors we use some orange ball, very soft. Different group, mish mash of levels and hard to get a good foursome. The guys I play with outside all joined club$ with indoor tennis court surfaces and still play with the X40s. Best of all conditions, perfect surface, strong nets, no wind or sun and good lighting. Too pricey for me so I have to wait for spring before playing with them again.
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
Amazing how much impact the ball has on the overall game.

Onix Pure 2 is my favorite, especially in cold weather. My second Favorite was Penn. Third Franklin X-40 and finally Dura.

Dura I dislike mainly because the ball is not durable. I could adapt my game to the ball just fine.

X-40 is the compromise ball. It plays slightly like a dura but lasts longer.

Penn was the next step. I got a good deal on a large amount early on and really like the balls overall.

Onix Pure 2 is my favorite. They main negative is they don't normally fail. They just become increasingly soft.

Not really tried Core, Core Impact or Joola. Looking at them in photos I have opinions on how they would play for the looks of the plastic.
-greta write up! tnx (y)
-i think i also like your sequence of favorites!
-i dont mind the PENN either!, its soft, quiet and slower, but it also bounces about as good as one can expect from a soft ball
-i did a bounce test between the X and PENN balls, and they both seemed to bounce very similarly
-some die hards dont like using anything but the X, but thats on them
-in cold weather, i think this will be my ball of choice!
-we crack too many Xs in VA cold weather!

-ohh btw, i like RED color balls on the sunlight, it seems to work better in daylight conditions, i have yet to try the RED ball indoors
-however, red balls at night are not as good, i switch to classic yelow at night!

-i also bought some lava-ORANGE ones for indoor play, will soon test them out!
 
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