Thiem has the potential to dominate

REKX

Rookie
As a Federer and Nadal fan I feel very lucky to have watched these two who I rate as the two greatest of all time. It all culminated in the final of Wimbledon 2008 which was a match beyond anything, I mean compare the speed, shot making, intensity, timing etc of Wimbledon 2008 and Wimbledon 2019 final - how can anyone not appreciate what we had and saw in 2008.


Thinking about Thiem, I feel that he has quite a few of the qualities of the top 3/4. An excellent forehand and backhand, plenty of spin from both ends - similar to Nadal. His intensity is great, like Nadal he can keep it up for a whole match. He can play long points, has the consistency like Nadal and Djokovic.

I think we can all agree as of right now we would say he's the second best clay court player on tour, but on other surfaces he's clearly not as good. But if we recall, Nadal was in a similar position in around 2006, he was doing very well on clay but couldn't progress on hard and grass until he made a few changes.

I'm sure Thiem can apply some of these changes like shortening his back swing perhaps, stand closer inside the court, take time away from opponents, move opponents around I'm sure he can can be a force of all surfaces.
 
Nadal was 20 years old in 2006. Thiem is 26 right now. Not exactly the same thing.

Thiem has the game to hurt top players, and he beat all of them multiple times. However, so far he always found an opponent to lose to, even when playing well. The only exception was IW this year. He needs to actually start winning, not just trouble the top players and lose in the next round. Also, he is extremely inconsistent, even on clay. The big clay tournaments where he usually plays well are Madrid and RG. On the other hand in Monte Carlo and Rome he usually loses early.
 
Nadal was 20 years old in 2006. Thiem is 26 right now. Not exactly the same thing.

Thiem has the game to hurt top players, and he beat all of them multiple times. However, so far he always found an opponent to lose to, even when playing well. The only exception was IW this year. He needs to actually start winning, not just trouble the top players and lose in the next round. Also, he is extremely inconsistent, even on clay. The big clay tournaments where he usually plays well are Madrid and RG. On the other hand in Monte Carlo and Rome he usually loses early.
It is not the big 3 Thiem has to worry about going forward, it is essentially Rafa on clay, and everyone else. He loses to everyone... all the time. Thiem can peak at times, but will never consistently dominate a field.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Do you start every conversation/answer with "as a Federer and Nadal fan"?

- Excuse me, sir, what time is it?
- As a Federer and Nadal fan I really value their time on the court. They have produced such great tennis that every second is valuable. Sometimes Nadal gets a time violation but...

- How did your math test go?
- As a Federer and Nadal fan I have to say that watching them helped me understand math more. The angles that they produce are out of this world and they redefine the geometry...
 

StANDAA

Legend
Do you start every conversation/answer with "as a Federer and Nadal fan"?

- Excuse me, sir, what time is it?
- As a Federer and Nadal fan I really value their time on the court. They have produced such great tennis that every second is valuable. Sometimes Nadal gets a time violation but...

- How did your math test go?
- As a Federer and Nadal fan I have to say that watching them helped me understand math more. The angles that they produce are out of this world and they redefine the geometry...
Do you start every conversation/answer with something about Nadal though?

- Excuse me, sir, what time is it?
- I’d rather talk about Nadal’s time violations. Do you know how much time he takes inbetween points?

- How did your math test go?
- Went great, I’ve exercised counting the night before when I counted the huge number of mugs Nadal had to beat to win his Slams.
 
It is not the big 3 Thiem has to worry about going forward, it is essentially Rafa on clay, and everyone else. He loses to everyone... all the time. Thiem can peak at times, but will never consistently dominate a field.
He had his chances but he just doesn't use them. He could have won Madrid in any year between 2017 and 2019. But every time he ended up losing.
 
Do you start every conversation/answer with "as a Federer and Nadal fan"?

- Excuse me, sir, what time is it?
- As a Federer and Nadal fan I really value their time on the court. They have produced such great tennis that every second is valuable. Sometimes Nadal gets a time violation but...

- How did your math test go?
- As a Federer and Nadal fan I have to say that watching them helped me understand math more. The angles that they produce are out of this world and they redefine the geometry...
At least you can have some conversations with this guy. With you it's much harder, because you never stop crying.

-Excuse me...Omg, are you crying? What happened?!
-Nadal won USO... :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
 

BlueB

Legend
I mean compare the speed, shot making, intensity, timing etc of Wimbledon 2008 and Wimbledon 2019 final - how can anyone not appreciate what we had and saw in 2008.
Yeah, you are right, it was almost as tense as 2019 ;)

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Mike Sams

Legend
Thiem plays an extremely physical and punishing style. I don't know about him. I don't feel he's going to ever be a consistent top player. He'll go deep in 1 tourney and crash out in the next several.
 
Is this the guy all those “as a Federer and Nadal fan” memes stem from?
Yes.


Do you start every conversation/answer with something about Nadal though?

- Excuse me, sir, what time is it?
- I’d rather talk about Nadal’s time violations. Do you know how much time he takes inbetween points?

- How did your math test go?
- Went great, I’ve exercised counting the night before when I counted the huge number of mugs Nadal had to beat to win his Slams.
You forgot to include Berrettini.
 

dunlop_fort_knox

Professional
yes but first he needs to learn how to volley no?

As a Federer and Nadal fan I feel very lucky to have watched these two who I rate as the two greatest of all time. It all culminated in the final of Wimbledon 2008 which was a match beyond anything, I mean compare the speed, shot making, intensity, timing etc of Wimbledon 2008 and Wimbledon 2019 final - how can anyone not appreciate what we had and saw in 2008.


Thinking about Thiem, I feel that he has quite a few of the qualities of the top 3/4. An excellent forehand and backhand, plenty of spin from both ends - similar to Nadal. His intensity is great, like Nadal he can keep it up for a whole match. He can play long points, has the consistency like Nadal and Djokovic.

I think we can all agree as of right now we would say he's the second best clay court player on tour, but on other surfaces he's clearly not as good. But if we recall, Nadal was in a similar position in around 2006, he was doing very well on clay but couldn't progress on hard and grass until he made a few changes.

I'm sure Thiem can apply some of these changes like shortening his back swing perhaps, stand closer inside the court, take time away from opponents, move opponents around I'm sure he can can be a force of all surfaces.
 

guitarra

Professional
Dominic’s time will come, I’m quite confident he’ll win slams. But dominate the game to the extent to become no1. Possible but I think not very likely.
 

guitarra

Professional
yes but first he needs to learn how to volley no?
To be fair he tries to come in a lot more these days under Massú guidance, you could see it even in Beijing and Shanghai. He’s added a lot of variety to his game as of late. Obviously he’s not as great of a volleyer as Federer but seriously who is these days? Very few players. Nadal is very effective at the net but he usually plays the volleys in relatively easy positions because he rarely chooses to come in in uncomfortable positions. Djokovic is a good but not great volleyer in general. During the grass season he tried to come in more but usually on hard court and clay he sticks to the baseline. What I’m trying to say here is that being the great volleyer is not a condition to become a top player because in nowadays game only about 10-15% of points you’ll play at the net.
 

Tennisbg

Rookie
He does not have this potential, he has the potential to win sometimes vs top players. He is not consistent. That backhand swing is also not suited to hard courts which make the majority of tournaments.
 

Shangri La

Hall of Fame
He's already 26 and we are still talking about potential? What were the true dominators doing at 26. At least winning slams if not already dominating, no?

How about discussing potentials of Donald, who's forever Young?
 
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