Thiem skipping Tokyo 2020 to vulture yet another 250 tourney

yokied

Professional
Maybe he needs to have a few drinks with Tittypass to set him straight. In reality however, Thiem seems equally immune to good advice as Kyrgios. A dumber, harder training, more polite version.
 
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TimHenmanATG

Professional
You care! If you didnt, you wouldnt be insulting him.

Thiem has a choice and he makes with 100% clear intention. If anything, this deserves respect. Some people couldnt accept that someone has a different opinion than them.

And Olympics are very, very far from being the 5th Major.
I care, because I see flaky bottlers in the upper echelons of pro tennis consistently failing to adopt the attitude which one needs to be very successful at the top-end of the game.

I'm indifferent to Thiem, but it's obvious that his disrespect for the Olympic tournament typifies how his career is going nowhere. The bloke is just attempting to eek out prize money, as he's obviously never going to win anything more than a Masters 1000.

I'm assuming that your nation has been unsuccessful at the OG, hence why you are salty about it.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
I care, because I see flaky bottlers in the upper echelons of pro tennis consistently failing to adopt the attitude which one needs to be very successful at the top-end of the game.

I'm indifferent to Thiem, but it's obvious that his disrespect for the Olympic tournament typifies how his career is going nowhere. The bloke is just attempting to eek out prize money, as he's obviously never going to win anything more than a Masters 1000.

I'm assuming that your nation has been unsuccessful at the OG, hence why you are salty about it.
That sort of statements lack logic and any good reasoning actually.

He will not achieve anything because he prefers money over national pride; really? Once upon a time players that have already made it pretty big deliberately missed the OG, so participating in them is not a sign of "big" or "small" mentality.

Your last sentence is very typical, but, please, do tell which country you are from that has been exceedingly successful at the OG, so that we can gauge the success of your own country. Only, for the sake of your credibility, let it not be GB as your user name suggests. That would be pretty anticlimactic, considering how the country has failed for decades to win big at the OG, considering the number of its citizens and its economic power.

@Bukmeikara If you would like, you could share which country you come from and we can make a quick comparison.

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TimHenmanATG

Professional
Once upon a time players that have already made it pretty big deliberately missed the OG, so participating in them is not a sign of "big" or "small" mentality.
You said it yourself: "once upon a time". Now that tennis is firmly ensconced as an Olympic sport, the tournament is huge (the 5th major).

I don't blame Dominic for bottling it. How the hell would he even stand a chance in Tokyo against the demon-possessed editions of Rog, Rafa, Novak, Andy, et al.?

Golf got back to the Olympics at Rio, and a lot of top pros didn't bother with it, yet now they are getting severe FOMO feelings, due to its unqualified success!

let it not be GB as your user name suggests.
U bloody wot, m8?

Are you actually serious? Britain has finished 3rd or 4th in every medal table since Athens 2004. We have only been surpassed by the highly populous Olympic powerhouses of China, the USA, and Russia.

GB has either invented or codified every single major sport in the world (including tennis), and don't you forget it!
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
You said it yourself: "once upon a time". Now that tennis is firmly ensconced as an Olympic sport, the tournament is huge (the 5th major).
That would be a negative. It wasn't a "5th Major" even when presumably all of the top 4 players were gunning to win it, let alone now, when its prestige has started to decline.

I don't blame Dominic for bottling it. How the hell would he even stand a chance in Tokyo against the demon-possessed editions of Rog, Rafa, Novak, Andy, et al.?
You surely are trolling. Andy? You do realise that Murray probably won't even make it to the next Olympics, let alone be competitive enough to push out the likes of Thiem. BTW, Thiem is no slouch on medium HC as many top players can testify, so you are selling his chances extremely short, and only because you know that as of now your claims won't be tested.

Golf got back to the Olympics at Rio, and a lot of top pros didn't bother with it, yet now they are getting severe FOMO feelings, due to its unqualified success!
Ahh, a mix of a tour in the psychology of the top golfers and untestable assumptions!



U bloody wot, m8?

Are you actually serious? Britain has finished 3rd or 4th in every medal table since Athens 2004. We have only been surpassed by the highly populous Olympic powerhouses of China, the USA, and Russia.

GB has either invented or codified every single major sport in the world (including tennis), and don't you forget it!
I didn't know that the OG started in 2004. Oh, now you are going to brag about the Empire! Jeebus, I hope that Bukmeikara decides not to list his country of origin, lest it turns out that GB is a huge balloon ready to pop.

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Mainad

Bionic Poster
Your last sentence is very typical, but, please, do tell which country you are from that has been exceedingly successful at the OG, so that we can gauge the success of your own country. Only, for the sake of your credibility, let it not be GB as your user name suggests. That would be pretty anticlimactic, considering how the country has failed for decades to win big at the OG, considering the number of its citizens and its economic power.
Top 4 in the last 4 editions and top 3 in the last 3 considering we have 5 times less people than USA, between 3 and 4 times less than Russia and about 20 times less than China (the other top countries). Try checking some facts first before you go chucking salt around! :cool:
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
Top 4 in the last 4 editions and top 3 in the last 3 considering we have 5 times less people than USA, between 3 and 4 times less than Russia and about 20 times less than China (the other top countries). Try checking some facts first before you go chucking salt around! :cool:
Same answer as to the previous poster: did the OG start in 2004?

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Mainad

Bionic Poster
I see that you completely ignored what I said, or do you want to compare countries that are multiple times different in population or economic power?

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To be honest, I've totally lost the point you're trying to make and, given your obvious stubborn ignorance of basic facts on this issue, strongly suspect that it's not worth either of our time to pursue it anymore! :cool:
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
To be honest, I've totally lost the point you're trying to make and, given your obvious stubborn ignorance of basic facts on this issue, strongly suspect that it's not worth either of our time to pursue it anymore! :cool:
TBH, I am surprised that you lost your reasonable approach so fast. BTW, I am pretty sure that I have a better grasp of the facts than you, hence the more abbreviated view that I am able to discuss as opposed to your clumsy approach from the position of last instance. You failed to explain to me how a country with multiples the population and economic power is comparable to other countries that are much smaller and much weaker financially.

I am not even going to go in detail in the shining star of your current Olympic achievements, the British Cycling, proudly doped with the help of a number of notorious figures from the track and road cycling programmes, not least famous around the current dominant Tour de France team Ineos (previously known as Team Sky), in comparison to which Team Discovery of Lance Armstrong looks like a kindergarten.

As you can see, the facts can be a curious thing, so, if you want to say something be civil. Otherwise you might find yourself in a rather uncomfortable position to deal with real facts that are otherwise not brought up in such discussions.

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TimHenmanATG

Professional
That would be a negative. It wasn't a "5th Major" even when presumably all of the top 4 players were gunning to win it, let alone now, when its prestige has started to decline.
Are you actually living in the real world? It just gets bigger at every Olympic edition.

When Juan Martin Del Potro said that winning the Bronze Medal at London 2012 was the greatest moment of his career, he wasn't lying.

Ahh, a mix of a tour in the psychology of the top golfers and untestable assumptions!
The tournament at Rio was hugely successful. It was also yet another Gold Medal for Team GB! I started losing count once we hit the 20 mark!


didn't know that the OG started in 2004. Oh, now you are going to brag about the Empire! Jeebus,
We are third in the all-time medal table!

And considering that you are interrogating everyone on the their country of origin, what portentous Olympic nation do you hail from?
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
Are you actually living in the real world? It just gets bigger at every Olympic edition.
No, they don't. The importance of the Olympics depends on many things, not least of political situation and the raise of nationalistic tendencies (as it is the perfect stage for demonstrating such). They also have objective reasons to be popular or not. The last Olympics didn't reward any ATP points which forced players that have to think about their ranking (i.e. almost every player not named Federer, Nadal, Djokovic or Murray) to think whether it is worth it. Subsequently six top players decided to not participate in Rio.

When Juan Martin Del Potro said that winning the Bronze Medal at London 2012 was the greatest moment of his career, he wasn't lying.
The importance of the Olympics are not decided by the subjective feelings a player might have, but even if they were, the people are notoriously fickle in their preferences and what is important today becomes irrelevant tomorrow. It would be curious if Del Potro, even with his career earnings, would choose an Olympic bronze medal over a Major title and 2 mil USD. I suspect that the answer is a resounding "No", but that is only a speculation.


The tournament at Rio was hugely successful. It was also yet another Gold Medal for Team GB! I started losing count once we hit the 20 mark!
Good for you. I didn't even watch the Olympics outside of Tennis, Equestrian and Mountainbike. The rest was an absolute boredom, so I skipped it.

We are third in the all-time medal table!
No, you are not, at least not corrected for population and economic power.

And considering that you are interrogating everyone on the their country of origin, what portentous Olympic nation do you hail from?
I hail from several countries, so I can pile up a significant advantage over you, but that is not my goal here.

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TimHenmanATG

Professional
The last Olympics didn't reward any ATP points which forced players that have to think about their ranking (i.e. almost every player not named Federer, Nadal, Djokovic or Murray) to think whether it is worth it. Subsequently six top players decided to not participate in Rio.
Which proves my point that it very much sorts the men from the boys.

Imagine being a multi-millionaire tennis player and crying about ATP points at the expense of representing your nation at the most important global sporting event?

If the likes of Thiem need to be bribed by ranking points and prize money, then that says a lot about them.

would be curious if Del Potro, even with his career earnings, would choose an Olympic bronze medal over a Major title and 2 mil USD. I suspect that the answer is a resounding "No", but that is only a speculation.
He said this nearly 3 years after he won the US Open.

South American nations haven't traditionally been so successful at the Olympics, so winning a bronze for Argentina was a huge achievement for him and his nation.

Good for you. I didn't even watch the Olympics outside of Tennis, Equestrian and Mountainbike. The rest was an absolute boredom, so I skipped it.
So now we come to the crux of the issue. You are just generally not really into the Olympics.

Which is fine, but you shouldn't let that cloud your perspective on the issue.


No, you are not, at least not corrected for population and economic power.
That's not how this works. Croatia can't claim to be World Cup winners because they are much smaller and slightly poorer than France.

In addition, we (Great Britain) consistently outperform Germany, France, Italy, and Japan. All of those countries have the same population or greater, and similar economic conditions.

In fact, we do far better "pound for pound" than even the United States.

I hail from several countries, so I can pile up a significant advantage over you, but that is not my goal here.
Stop chickening out!

You've asked me and at least one person to reveal their country, yet you are as big a bottler as Thiem!

Whilst I can't vouch for others, I can certainly say that I'd never mock, belittle, or denigrate another person's country.
 

stingstang

Semi-Pro
Aside from the big ones, I would just play tourneys in places I would want to go. Ten challengers in the Caribbean to make up the minimum required :cool:
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
TBH, I am surprised that you lost your reasonable approach so fast. BTW, I am pretty sure that I have a better grasp of the facts than you, hence the more abbreviated view that I am able to discuss as opposed to your clumsy approach from the position of last instance. You failed to explain to me how a country with multiples the population and economic power is comparable to other countries that are much smaller and much weaker financially.

I am not even going to go in detail in the shining star of your current Olympic achievements, the British Cycling, proudly doped with the help of a number of notorious figures from the track and road cycling programmes, not least famous around the current dominant Tour de France team Ineos (previously known as Team Sky), in comparison to which Team Discovery of Lance Armstrong looks like a kindergarten.

As you can see, the facts can be a curious thing, so, if you want to say something be civil. Otherwise you might find yourself in a rather uncomfortable position to deal with real facts that are otherwise not brought up in such discussions.

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Lol at you trying to accuse the UK of doping in a world where Russia, USA, China plus European cyclists would make British athletes look like novices!

You are the one who turned this conversation nasty and it appears you have a particular problem with sportspeople from my country, hence the copious amounts of salt you have been busy spreading everywhere.

This conversation has come to a conclusion as far as I'm concerned. :cool:
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
Which proves my point that it very much sorts the men from the boys.
So, if the players participate they Olympics are prestigious, but if top players skip, the players are "boys". It looks like there is no point talking to you at all.

Imagine being a multi-millionaire tennis player and crying about ATP points at the expense of representing your nation at the most important global sporting event?

If the likes of Thiem need to be bribed by ranking points and prize money, then that says a lot about them.
And you ask me whether I live in the reality!

He said this nearly 3 years after he won the US Open.

South American nations haven't traditionally been so successful at the Olympics, so winning a bronze for Argentina was a huge achievement for him and his nation.
Thanks for confirming that the value of the Olympic achievements depend on many things that have nothing to do with a supposed absolute value of the Olympic competition itself.

So now we come to the crux of the issue. You are just generally not really into the Olympics.
That is not the crux of the issue at all. You think that saying that gives you an advantage without realising that that is one of the sides of the same coin.

Which is fine, but you shouldn't let that cloud your perspective on the issue.
Just like being too much into them shouldn't cloud your perspective on the issue.

That's not how this works. Croatia can't claim to be World Cup winners because they are much smaller and slightly poorer than France.
They can't claim that they have won. However, IF they did that it would have been perceived as a much greater achievement, considering the size of the country.

In addition, we (Great Britain) consistently outperform Germany, France, Italy, and Japan. All of those countries have the same population or greater, and similar economic conditions.
I have nothing against comparing GB with any of the above. Germany outperforms GB in medals all time, corrected for wealth, and so do France, Russia, Italy, Austria, Switzerland and several more.


In fact, we do far better "pound for pound" than even the United States.
No, you don't. USA is a firm leader corrected for wealth, but there are some considerations that need to be taken into account like for example what is the influence of hosting the Olympics. Naturally, the host nations have a home advantage, and also in some cases, focused doping programs (like the one for the Barcelona Olympics) have had effects on the way the country performs in one or even several Olympic cycles. Also, the number of the participations also plays a role.

Stop chickening out!

You've asked me and at least one person to reveal their country, yet you are as big a bottler as Thiem!

Whilst I can't vouch for others, I can certainly say that I'd never mock, belittle, or denigrate another person's country.
I don't understand from what I am chickening out. That is a personal information that I am not willing to share, and when I addressed Bukmeikara I specifically said that he can do it if he is willing to, not that he has to. I don't need to list any links to any country to have a meaningful conversation. If you think otherwise too bad.

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Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
Lol at you trying to accuse the UK of doping in a world where Russia, USA, China plus European cyclists would make British athletes look like novices!
You are out of your depth here. No country in the history of the Olympics has profited so massively from the doping in cycling as GB in the last two Olympic cycles. Ever. If you know of such country post which one and in which Olympics.

You are the one who turned this conversation nasty and it appears you have a particular problem with sportspeople from my country, hence the copious amounts of salt you have been busy spreading everywhere.
I don't have any problems with sportspeople from GB whatsoever. One of my favourite "sportspeople" is in fact an athlete from GB and has won gold in Rio.

My initial response in this thread was due to the absurd claim that Thiem is stupid for not participating and that slowly transfers into more stupid generalisations about the athletes that don't participate (like the above comments that the players that don't want/plan to participate "chicken out" or are "boys")

This conversation has come to a conclusion as far as I'm concerned. :cool:
The funny part is that I not once insulted anyone here, have worked exclusively with facts and was of a much more moderate position as far as the OG participation is concerned, yet you were riled up to the point of accusing me of not knowing "basic facts". Interesting, when did you ever presented any facts at all, to say such a thing? You actually refused to have a conversation about the criteria how the Olympic achievements are measured, by twice ignoring my question about the relative value of the Olympic medals.

On a side note, and to illustrate my point about how certain "factors" influence the Olympic glory:

Here the Olympic medals from the summer Olympics for GB for the last three Olympic cycles (the one before they hosted the Olympics, when they were a host and the following cycle):

2008 51
2012 65
2016 67

Here the results of GB in the previous 10 Olympic cycles:

2004 30
2000 28
1996 15
1992 20
1988 24
1984 37
1980 21
1976 13
1972 18
1968 13

While some of the increase over the years can be explained with the increased number of sports in the Olympic program, the jump immediately before, during and after the host Olympics is obvious.

The jump in the Cycling medals from 2004 (4) to

2008 (14)
2012 (12)
2016 (12)

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TimHenmanATG

Professional
So, if the players participate they Olympics are prestigious, but if top players skip, the players are "boys". It looks like there is no point talking to you at all.
What? You're not making any sense.

Thanks for confirming that the value of the Olympic achievements depend on many things that have nothing to do with a supposed absolute value of the Olympic competition itself.
This is absurd.

By your reductionist logic, then Wimbledon is just a tournament hosted by the AELTC, and its overall value is also not inherent.

hat is not the crux of the issue at all. You think that saying that gives you an advantage without realising that that is one of the sides of the same coin.
You said yourself that you only enjoy about 3 sports at the Olympics. It's clear that you are just not really into the Games, as a whole.

Once again, there's nothing wrong with that. But shouldn't that temper your opinion on the matter somewhat?

They can't claim that they have won. However, IF they did that it would have been perceived as a much greater achievement, considering the size of the country..
You sound very out of touch with how these things work, and with public perception.

I have nothing against comparing GB with any of the above. Germany outperforms GB in medals all time, corrected for wealth, and so do France, Russia, Italy, Austria, Switzerland and several more.
Well, we don't do winter sports in the UK, and those figures include medals in the Winter Olympics (hence Austria and Switzerland being so prominent).

Also, the German totals include the DDR...

No, you don't. USA is a firm leader corrected for wealth
You are talking through your derriere, old chap. The USA is 5 times larger than the UK, yet they don't win 5 times as many Golds as us.


I don't understand from what I am chickening out. That is a personal information that I am not willing to share
Oh come on, you absolute chicken!

Unless you're from a microstate like Liechtenstein or San Marino, then there is no chance of you being doxxed by telling us where you are from.

You can dish it out, but you can't take it. Even Bernard Tomic has more bottle than you!

I'm guessing that you must be from one of our former colonies, hence that humongous chip on your shoulder surrounding British excellency!
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
What? You're not making any sense.



This is absurd.

By your reductionist logic, then Wimbledon is just a tournament hosted by the AELTC, and its overall value is also not inherent.



You said yourself that you only enjoy about 3 sports at the Olympics. It's clear that you are just not really into the Games, as a whole.

Once again, there's nothing wrong with that. But shouldn't that temper your opinion on the matter somewhat?



You sound very out of touch with how these things work, and with public perception.



Well, we don't do winter sports in the UK, and those figures include medals in the Winter Olympics (hence Austria and Switzerland being so prominent).

Also, the German totals include the DDR...



You are talking through your derriere, old chap. The USA is 5 times larger than the UK, yet they don't win 5 times as many Golds as us.




Oh come on, you absolute chicken!

Unless you're from a microstate like Liechtenstein or San Marino, then there is no chance of you being doxxed by telling us where you are from.

You can dish it out, but you can't take it. Even Bernard Tomic has more bottle than you!

I'm guessing that you must be from one of our former colonies, hence that humongous chip on your shoulder surrounding British excellency!
It’s only because Federer never won it he doesn’t care for tennis in olympics. Simple as that ;)
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
It’s only because Federer never won it he doesn’t care for tennis in olympics. Simple as that ;)
You cannot even make a simple logical connection: if that was the case I wouldn't be interested in the Olympic tennis tournament. I am and instead am not interested in most of the rest. Jeebus, it really can be very tragic for some.

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Mainad

Bionic Poster
You are out of your depth here. No country in the history of the Olympics has profited so massively from the doping in cycling as GB in the last two Olympic cycles. Ever. If you know of such country post which one and in which Olympics.



I don't have any problems with sportspeople from GB whatsoever. One of my favourite "sportspeople" is in fact an athlete from GB and has won gold in Rio.

My initial response in this thread was due to the absurd claim that Thiem is stupid for not participating and that slowly transfers into more stupid generalisations about the athletes that don't participate (like the above comments that the players that don't want/plan to participate "chicken out" or are "boys")



The funny part is that I not once insulted anyone here, have worked exclusively with facts and was of a much more moderate position as far as the OG participation is concerned, yet you were riled up to the point of accusing me of not knowing "basic facts". Interesting, when did you ever presented any facts at all, to say such a thing? You actually refused to have a conversation about the criteria how the Olympic achievements are measured, by twice ignoring my question about the relative value of the Olympic medals.

On a side note, and to illustrate my point about how certain "factors" influence the Olympic glory:

Here the Olympic medals from the summer Olympics for GB for the last three Olympic cycles (the one before they hosted the Olympics, when they were a host and the following cycle):

2008 51
2012 65
2016 67

Here the results of GB in the previous 10 Olympic cycles:

2004 30
2000 28
1996 15
1992 20
1988 24
1984 37
1980 21
1976 13
1972 18
1968 13

While some of the increase over the years can be explained with the increased number of sports in the Olympic program, the jump immediately before, during and after the host Olympics is obvious.

The jump in the Cycling medals from 2004 (4) to

2008 (14)
2012 (12)
2016 (12)

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Very strange, bitter and twisted individual aren't you? You clearly have an enormous chip on your shoulder about anyone from the UK. I don't know what it is and I really couldn't care less. We're done. Cheerio!
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
What? You're not making any sense.
I am glad that you say that. Those are literally your words.

Which proves my point that it very much sorts the men from the boys.

This is absurd.

By your reductionist logic, then Wimbledon is just a tournament hosted by the AELTC, and its overall value is also not inherent..
Not only is it not absurd, but you said it yourself, depending on how successful the nation is in other venues (including Olympics) it can be perceived as more or less prestigious. I am not aware of such phenomenon regarding the perceived value of Wimbledon.

You said yourself that you only enjoy about 3 sports at the Olympics. It's clear that you are just not really into the Games, as a whole.

Once again, there's nothing wrong with that. But shouldn't that temper your opinion on the matter somewhat?
I already cleared that matter, didn't I? Whether I "enjoy" only three sports at the Olympics is absolutely irrelevant to the validity of my opinion, and I also said that your opinion is exactly as much influenced by being too much "into" them. BTW, it wasn't always like that, so I have quite a long perspective on the whole shebang (including the political games around Moscow 1980 and LA 1984).


You sound very out of touch with how these things work, and with public perception..
So, you say that, for example Serbia winning the WC, and Germany winning it will be viewed as the same achievement for the country?



Well, we don't do winter sports in the UK, and those figures include medals in the Winter Olympics (hence Austria and Switzerland being so prominent).
Yes, and they don't "do" much summer sports. Each nation specialises in something, they specialise in what they are strong and have natural conditions for.

Also, the German totals include the DDR...
Yes, although I have seen graphs that separate both. The differences are not great, as DDR also means more population and lower GDP.

You are talking through your derriere, old chap. The USA is 5 times larger than the UK, yet they don't win 5 times as many Golds as us.
Your perspective is skewed by observing only recent Olympic Games, where UK basically more than doubled their Olympic medals input. Before that USA was outnumbering you 1 to 5 on average and sometimes much more:

before 2008 when the UKs medal output basically doubled compare (left medals for UK, right for USA):


2004 30 101
2000 28 93
1996 15 101
1992 20 108
1988 24 94
1984 37 174
1980 21 DNP
1976 13 94
1972 18 93
1968 13 107

Oh come on, you absolute chicken! Unless you're from a microstate like Liechtenstein or San Marino, then there is no chance of you being doxxed by telling us where you are from. You can dish it out, but you can't take it. Even Bernard Tomic has more bottle than you! I'm guessing that you must be from one of our former colonies, hence that humongous chip on your shoulder surrounding British excellency!
You are basically wrong in every suggestion that you made, but that is not interesting to me. It is a difference in what I hold for sensible compared to what you do, so no trolling will make me change my position. It also doesn't in any way benefit your argument.

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Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
Very strange, bitter and twisted individual aren't you? You clearly have an enormous chip on your shoulder about anyone from the UK. I don't know what it is and I really couldn't care less. We're done. Cheerio!
Your conclusion is not supported by anything, but if you prefer that outcome, who am I to stop you. It is important that it is understood that not everyone who doesn't share the doe-eyed affection for the Olympics is a villain, stupid or coward as the position of some individuals (and sadly yours too) suggests. You can enjoy Murray's OGs without trying to **** on every player that doesn't consider the OG important enough.

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Sephiroth

Professional
Is Thiem on crack or something? He'd be getting the biggest recognition from his country if he represented Austria in the Olympics. I'm pretty sure the Austrians would want him at the Olympics and not at an ATP 250.
 

TimHenmanATG

Professional
No offence, old mate, but you really are an insufferable bore (I'm sure the feeling is mutual!)

I can't be bothered continuing to engage in a tedious multi-quote battle with someone who refuses to listen to reason.

It's incredible that you are too much of a chicken to even state your country, even so you think it's appropriate to dish out invective towards others.

I'll just enjoy the schadenfreude of imagining you getting in an apoplectic rate as you peruse Team GB's position in the Tokyo 2020 medals table!
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
Is Thiem on crack or something? He'd be getting the biggest recognition from his country if he represented Austria in the Olympics. I'm pretty sure the Austrians would want him at the Olympics and not at an ATP 250.
For what is worth, the Austrians are mostly into the Winter Olympics. In the summer they are out and about roaming the nature and travelling to Italy and other neighbouring countries. The Summer Olympics are more of a curiosity than a major point of interest, and I imagine even more so when they are happening when the people in Austria are sleeping.

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These piecemeal, phrase-by-phrase responses again. :D

Slaying me, as ever! :-D

Haven't decided whether they're more or less effective than the comprehensive, "traditional" paragraph reply.

The fact that I'm even weighing that ought to show you folks my gratitude for what you are doing. :)(y)
 

PMChambers

Hall of Fame
My take given I've been playing since 1980.
The Oly was right as a special 750pt, it's worth less than Major and Masters but more than 500. The field speaks as such.
I would however participate unless conflicts with Major or Masters purely to lower the hassle from general public.
The Oly has always been and will again be now 0pt a low value tennis Tourney.
Maybe everyone such turn-up and kneel as a demonstration that all Gov sux and Oly falls into same dirty basket.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
What's the payday at that ATP 250 event? Maybe he cares more about money than national pride and he knows he isn't going to win gold. He's also young enough to know that he can play in 2024 and by then there'll be no Fed, Djoko or Nadal to get in his way.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
What's the payday at that ATP 250 event? Maybe he cares more about money than national pride and he knows he isn't going to win gold. He's also young enough to know that he can play in 2024 and by then there'll be no Fed, Djoko or Nadal to get in his way.
Doesn't necessarily have to be gold. He could try for bronze which would still be a medal for Austria and see him stand proudly on a podium to receive it before the eyes of the entire world (or at least those who follow sport ).
 
He beat Joe twice to get there. Who did Kandy beat? 54 year old chokerer? PCB?? Not even close.
Beating Federer (who, by the way, was 36) at Wimbledon 2018 is a clearly more impressive win than any Thiem achieved at Roland Garros 2018 (as @DreddyTennis45 points out, Thiem's first win over Djokovic at Roland Garros was in 2017, and Thiem did not reach the final that year).

I do, however, agree with you that Thiem's win over Djokovic in 2019 was impressive.
 
What's the payday at that ATP 250 event? Maybe he cares more about money than national pride and he knows he isn't going to win gold. He's also young enough to know that he can play in 2024 and by then there'll be no Fed, Djoko or Nadal to get in his way.
That last sentence might well turn out false. Sure, Federer is unlikely to be a threat in the week he turns 43, but even that can't be taken for granted these days. On the other hand, there's a pretty decent chance that both Djokovic and, especially, Nadal will be major threats at Paris 2024. I say especially Nadal because the event will be played at Roland Garros. I don't think it's by any means guaranteed that an almost 31-year-old Thiem will go in favorite against a 38-year-old Nadal on Court Chatrier.
 

van_Loederen

Semi-Pro
You can't have been around very long. Thomas Muster and, even longer before him, Jimmy Connors both did it to epic levels.
I remember how annoyed both Sampras and Agassi were when Muster ascended to the number 1 ranking, bashing him in the press for accumulating the bulk of his points by playing (and winning) every dinky clay tournament under the sun filled with mugs below his caliber, while at the big events he would often get blown out by other top players.
it's ridiculous to blame the players. blame the ranking system back then!

Sampras was moderately "vulturing" too. Agassi did more at the Masters events, but less at the Majors.
 

Bluefan75

Professional
OP, the IOC appreciates your continued loyalty and devotion. Please send the cheques directly to IOC, Lausanne Switzerland.

This nationalism stuff is just the way to guilt people into competing for free(ie., the suits make all the money, cause the athletes "should be there for the glory.."

OP doesn't realize how many people have switched nationalities, for various reasons, mainly athletic with financial involved. "Representing....." is far less of a consideration for most athletes than simply being in the field competing. They make statements that it is important, because, well, it plays well with the masses, but ask any athlete if their choice is, "you can be in the Olympics under this flag, or you can remain under your country of birth but you won't be competing in the olympics," which they will choose. Your bourgeoisie-induced view on athletics may not be able to take the reality.
 

MCallanan

Semi-Pro
Nothing brings out the worst in tennis fans like some pre-Olympic tennis discussion. Federer fans unite trying to down play its importance via illogical arguments. Then the actual Olympics take place, the raw emotion of how much the event means to the players is front and center, tennis fans and non-tennis fans alike tune in and appreciate the event, and the detractors are no where to be found for another three years.

The bottom line is that in years that the Olympics are held its one of the five biggest tennis events of the year. With all the problems that encompassed the Rio Olympics it proved one thing in regard to Olympic tennis — its prestige is growing not dwindling.

The idea that the Olympic tennis is an exhibition is monumentally delusional. The marquee players of this sport don’t cry upon winning or losing exhibition events even when they’re paid heavily to role play with their emotions in exhibitions like Laver Cup.

The idea that the Olympics is less valuable because previous greats didn’t win it is illogical. If that’s a valid argument we can use it to depreciate the value of the Australian Open, the World Tour Finals, and a huge host of other ATP tournaments.

Lastly, I haven’t seen the ‘Nicolas Massu Argument’ levied yet but it rears it’s ugly head in every Olympic tennis debate. The idea that a lesser player winning a tournament reduces its prestige is illogical. If it were valid we could use that argument to crap on every long lasting tournament in the history of the sport.

As for Dominic Thiem this is par for the course. He just spent the previous two weeks playing clay court tournaments and in his own words showed up in Montreal with a gas tank riding on empty. What’s he doing not properly preparing for the final Major of the season? Sooner or later his team is going to have to tell him to start properly prioritizing his schedule if he’s ever going to fully maximize his potential.
 
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MCallanan

Semi-Pro
Only Massu ? Puig, Arrese, Rosset, Fish, Fernando Gonzo.

The question is OGold worth a Master 500 or Master 250 or nothing?
Your argument is illogical no matter who you list. But the fact that you’ve doubled down by listing runner ups and women’s winners is a special form of stupid that not even I could’ve predicted.
 

Keizer

Professional
Only Massu ? Puig, Arrese, Rosset, Fish, Fernando Gonzo.

The question is OGold worth a Master 500 or Master 250 or nothing?
If you're truly trying to advance the argument that seeing Thiem in Kitzbuhel is more valuable than seeing him in the Olympics to an Austrian tennis fan...I don't know what to say to you
 

-snake-

Professional
Beating Federer (who, by the way, was 36) at Wimbledon 2018 is a clearly more impressive win than any Thiem achieved at Roland Garros 2018 (as @DreddyTennis45 points out, Thiem's first win over Djokovic at Roland Garros was in 2017, and Thiem did not reach the final that year).

I do, however, agree with you that Thiem's win over Djokovic in 2019 was impressive.

Massive brainfarting from me there, yes, you're right. I got his wins mixed up.


Either way, lol at Kandy beating gramps being more impressive. That was flukey as hell. My point was that you're making it sound like the guy isn't trying to win anything big, and that isn't true. This OG hype feels so fake. Mugvis Cup has always been THE "patriotic" event in tennis, not this random tourney.
 
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Mainad

Bionic Poster
You care! If you didnt, you wouldnt be insulting him.

Thiem has a choice and he makes with 100% clear intention. If anything, this deserves respect. Some people couldnt accept that someone has a different opinion than them.

And Olympics are very, very far from being the 5th Major.
Still far, far closer than Kitzbühel will ever be.
 
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