Thiem using Pure Strike

I mean, it's not like the Pure STrike is even that good. Maybe it's just me, but it lacks power and stability. Maybe these cons are negated by Thiem's huge forehand. Is that the reason for his gigantic backswings, or does he use the Pure Strike because of his gigantic back swings. With, say, a pure aero, his shots might just fly out. Is it that he likes it's manuverability?
Sorry for all the spelling mistakes, I dont want to go back and fix them.. too lazy.
 

kailash

Professional
You can search the forum; many posts about it. Thiem is using 2014 pure strike 18×20 with customizations. Swingweight around 360g or so.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
I mean, it's not like the Pure STrike is even that good. Maybe it's just me, but it lacks power and stability. Maybe these cons are negated by Thiem's huge forehand. Is that the reason for his gigantic backswings, or does he use the Pure Strike because of his gigantic back swings. With, say, a pure aero, his shots might just fly out. Is it that he likes it's manuverability?
Sorry for all the spelling mistakes, I dont want to go back and fix them.. too lazy.
he's using the old pure strike from what I am told. and I agree that old pure strike is piece of garbage. but it is really weird,,, people that I know who like that racket really really like that racket and they won't switch to anything else.
 
It's like either you hate it or you like it?
he's using the old pure strike from what I am told. and I agree that old pure strike is piece of garbage. but it is really weird,,, people that I know who like that racket really really like that racket and they won't switch to anything else.
It's like either you hate it or love it.
 

PBODY99

Legend
@Orange Panther
I find it amusing that players are aghast at the choices other players use for their equipment.
Pro players use what they think will help them win. If they can get paid to endorse a frame, so much the better.
DT had that swing before the frame was designed.
 

Fairhit

Professional
he's using the old pure strike from what I am told. and I agree that old pure strike is piece of garbage. but it is really weird,,, people that I know who like that racket really really like that racket and they won't switch to anything else.
It's an awesome frame, the only reason I don't play currently with it is because I could only find 1 and I don't want to be tied to a discontinued model.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
It's an awesome frame, the only reason I don't play currently with it is because I could only find 1 and I don't want to be tied to a discontinued model.
What is so awesome about it ? I heard it is unstable and low powered and has low spin potential.
 

RVAtennisaddict

Professional
It's an awesome frame, the only reason I don't play currently with it is because I could only find 1 and I don't want to be tied to a discontinued model.
I have four and a matching bag and 3 or 4 sets of extra grommets if you want to make me an offer. I moved on to the ultra tour. I like the frame but then started getting some TE.
 

Fairhit

Professional
I have four and a matching bag and 3 or 4 sets of extra grommets if you want to make me an offer. I moved on to the ultra tour. I like the frame but then started getting some TE.
I also moved to the WUT and we most likely are in different countries, thank you though.
 

Fairhit

Professional
What is so awesome about it ? I heard it is unstable and low powered and has low spin potential.
Yes it is low powered and with a small sweetspot and I think that those traits made me better myself, once I was dialed in all my strokes were precise and with a lot of spin for a 18 x 20, I enjoyed the launch angle and overall performance. I think that it has a bunch of characteristics that may not suit everyone but for me were almost perfect.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Yes it is low powered and with a small sweetspot and I think that those traits made me better myself, once I was dialed in all my strokes were precise and with a lot of spin for a 18 x 20, I enjoyed the launch angle and overall performance. I think that it has a bunch of characteristics that may not suit everyone but for me were almost perfect.
I also heard that it is suckiest racket for volleying and totally unplayable in doubles
 
he's using the old pure strike from what I am told. and I agree that old pure strike is piece of garbage. but it is really weird,,, people that I know who like that racket really really like that racket and they won't switch to anything else.
I guess I’m that kind of person you talk about lol. The original strike 16/19 is my favorite racket of all time. Definitely need some lead at 3-9 for stability like what thiem does. It’s a unique feel but I love it




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jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
I far preferred the 'original' Strike, especially in Tour form, it felt kind of like a more powerful and user friendly Prestige; the 'new' Strike feels too much like a Pure Drive that's been exposed to kryptonite.
 

QuentinFederer

Professional
I owned an original strike 18/20. Good frame, sadly got a crack and I had to throw it out. I actually think the newer strike plays better but the old one had a unique feel.
 

Dansan

Rookie
Pure strike. Along with the pure drive, it’s probably the most widely use racquet I see at my local court. I doubt Thiem uses the retail version....rather some duded up version with plenty of brass in the satchel if you know what I mean. Round’ these parts, most will tell you the current version is stiffer than a honeymoon d*ck.

My experience with the pure strike is as follows: mixed doubles 8.0 league. Got partnered up with a lovely lady, she couldn’t move real well but she had spirit. I played against a real jerk of a team, not a word was spoken. This guy wore a sleeve on his right elbow....he used a pure strike. He hit a huge forehand and a heavy serve. His net game was flaccid. Ended up losing because, well, my serve gave up on me.
 

David Le

Hall of Fame
Pure strike. Along with the pure drive, it’s probably the most widely use racquet I see at my local court. I doubt Thiem uses the retail version....rather some duded up version with plenty of brass in the satchel if you know what I mean. Round’ these parts, most will tell you the current version is stiffer than a honeymoon d*ck.

My experience with the pure strike is as follows: mixed doubles 8.0 league. Got partnered up with a lovely lady, she couldn’t move real well but she had spirit. I played against a real jerk of a team, not a word was spoken. This guy wore a sleeve on his right elbow....he used a pure strike. He hit a huge forehand and a heavy serve. His net game was flaccid. Ended up losing because, well, my serve gave up on me.
Thiem does use the retail one (V1), just that he adds lead to it and lots of it indeed.
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
Thiem does use the retail one (V1), just that he adds lead to it and lots of it indeed.
No not a lot of lead REALLY.
His frame weights unstrung 315 gr with an overgrip. In stock form an original pure strike 18x20 weights 305 gr. Estimating the weight of overgrip is 8 gr, he only adds 2gr. ;) ;)
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
I far preferred the 'original' Strike, especially in Tour form, it felt kind of like a more powerful and user friendly Prestige; the 'new' Strike feels too much like a Pure Drive that's been exposed to kryptonite.
Wait, does that mean that you think the new Strike is more weak or more powerful?
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
It's not so much about relative power between old and new, more about the increased shock transmission inherent in the new model; I was trying to say that if you're going to put up with the harshness of the new Pure Strike, you might as well buy a Pure Drive - or now possibly a PDVS - and get the extra power that the Pure Drive possesses. Original Strike had a much nicer feel imo, and was still something of a player's racquet, albeit a relatively user friendly one.
 
No not a lot of lead REALLY.
His frame weights unstrung 315 gr with an overgrip. In stock form an original pure strike 18x20 weights 305 gr. Estimating the weight of overgrip is 8 gr, he only adds 2gr. ;) ;)
315 should be without grip because based on the picture that lead at 3-9 are at least 4g. Also the 305g frame usually counts the rubber band on the end of the grip (Babolat rackets always come with). That band is about 2-3g which he’s not using for his rackets. I would say he adds about 10g lead on his frame. Still lighter than most of other ATP players I guess but the balance based on what I heard is about 1 or 2pt HL so the swing weight is still there.



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stingstang

Professional
Without having access to one, who knows? Even if it's essentially a "retail" frame, they will start with blank hairpin which will then have all kinds of mods - there could be lead hidden under the bumper, silicone in the handle, bespoke handle, leather grip etc. It could even have a different layup and play nothing like a retail at all. Tennisnerd says its 337g, 345sw.
 

Jack the Hack

Hall of Fame
I'm also not understanding the hate for the original Pure Strike mentioned by a few in here. I own 5 of the original 2014 PS Tours, and it's the frame I've been playing with for the last few years at the 4.5 and 5.0 levels. In my opinion, they are great control frames with a nice amount of pop, great plow through on ground strokes against heavy hitters, and nice feel at the net. I played with the Pure Drive Roddick previously, which I really liked. However, I was starting to have chronic pain in my wrists, and started looking for a slightly softer frame. The 2014 Pure Strike Tour is pretty much unlike any other Babolat in that it's heavy and more flexible than anything else they ever made. I was really surprised by how much I liked them as they are way different than the Pure Drive Roddick (especially with the 18x20 vs 16x19 string pattern), but my arm appreciated the old school feel. There is no tinny-ness with the old Pure Strike - it's very plush and solid for me.

The closest comparisons to the 2014 Pure Strike Tour that I could think of are the Wilson Blade and the Head Prestige in the 18x20 versions. Here are the specs for comparison:
  • 2014 Babolat Pure Strike Tour: 27 inches long, 98 square inch head, 11.3 oz unstrung weight, 18x20 string pattern, balance at 6 points head light, flex rating of 65, and a swing weight of 330.
  • 2018 Wilson Blade 18x20 Countervail: 27 inches long, 98 square inch head, 11.3 oz unstrung weight, 18x20 string pattern, balance at 3 points head light, flex rating of 65, and a swing weight of 328.
  • 2018 Head Graphene Touch Prestige Midplus: 27 inches long, 95 square inch head, 11.9 oz unstrung weight, 18x20 string pattern, balance at 6 points head light, flex rating of 65, and a swing weight of 321.
I did hit with one of the new 2017 Pure Strikes, which seemed kinda' like a Pure Drive lite, and it's nothing close to the old one... which is why I could see Thiem preferring to stick with his older Pure Strike frames. Also, if I'm right, I believe Thiem used to play with a Head Prestige Midplus in 18x20 before switching to Babolat. The old 2014 Pure Strike in 18x20 would be the closest thing to what he grew up with from another company. Here's a website that talks about his specs (and says that it's an old frame modded up to a 345 swing weight): http://tennisnerd.net/gear/racquets/pro-player-racquets/dominic-thiem-tennis-racquet/4454
 
For those who are not sure about the specs, that’s not weird. Since somewhere end of 2017 he removed the lead at 3 and 9 but there was still definitely lead under the bumper. Now he’s back with lead at 3 and 9 since London (or before).
 

Zoolander

Hall of Fame
I'm also not understanding the hate for the original Pure Strike mentioned by a few in here. I own 5 of the original 2014 PS Tours, and it's the frame I've been playing with for the last few years at the 4.5 and 5.0 levels. In my opinion, they are great control frames with a nice amount of pop, great plow through on ground strokes against heavy hitters, and nice feel at the net. I played with the Pure Drive Roddick previously, which I really liked. However, I was starting to have chronic pain in my wrists, and started looking for a slightly softer frame. The 2014 Pure Strike Tour is pretty much unlike any other Babolat in that it's heavy and more flexible than anything else they ever made. I was really surprised by how much I liked them as they are way different than the Pure Drive Roddick (especially with the 18x20 vs 16x19 string pattern), but my arm appreciated the old school feel. There is no tinny-ness with the old Pure Strike - it's very plush and solid for me.

The closest comparisons to the 2014 Pure Strike Tour that I could think of are the Wilson Blade and the Head Prestige in the 18x20 versions. Here are the specs for comparison:
  • 2014 Babolat Pure Strike Tour: 27 inches long, 98 square inch head, 11.3 oz unstrung weight, 18x20 string pattern, balance at 6 points head light, flex rating of 65, and a swing weight of 330.
  • 2018 Wilson Blade 18x20 Countervail: 27 inches long, 98 square inch head, 11.3 oz unstrung weight, 18x20 string pattern, balance at 3 points head light, flex rating of 65, and a swing weight of 328.
  • 2018 Head Graphene Touch Prestige Midplus: 27 inches long, 95 square inch head, 11.9 oz unstrung weight, 18x20 string pattern, balance at 6 points head light, flex rating of 65, and a swing weight of 321.
I did hit with one of the new 2017 Pure Strikes, which seemed kinda' like a Pure Drive lite, and it's nothing close to the old one... which is why I could see Thiem preferring to stick with his older Pure Strike frames. Also, if I'm right, I believe Thiem used to play with a Head Prestige Midplus in 18x20 before switching to Babolat. The old 2014 Pure Strike in 18x20 would be the closest thing to what he grew up with from another company. Here's a website that talks about his specs (and says that it's an old frame modded up to a 345 swing weight): http://tennisnerd.net/gear/racquets/pro-player-racquets/dominic-thiem-tennis-racquet/4454
Can i ask what string and tension you use with your 18*20 strikes? Just got the 2014 18*20 non tour version and about to try it out.

One thing really impresses me with these 2014 versions........ both the 16*19 version i had a couple of years ago and the 18*20 i just got are foam filled! Only Babs i have ever seen foam filled. Some said their tour versions were foam filled, but both mine were non-tour standard versions.......
 
For those who are not sure about the specs, that’s not weird. Since somewhere end of 2017 he removed the lead at 3 and 9 but there was still definitely lead under the bumper. Now he’s back with lead at 3 and 9 since London (or before).
He actually never moved his lead at 3-9 since he switched to Babolat. The only change he did during the end of 2017 is his strings, from RPM Blast + VS to RPM Blast Rough + VS. And in 2018 ATP Finals he was playing with full bed RPM Blast Rough with no hybrids.


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He actually never moved his lead at 3-9 since he switched to Babolat. The only change he did during the end of 2017 is his strings, from RPM Blast + VS to RPM Blast Rough + VS. And in 2018 ATP Finals he was playing with full bed RPM Blast Rough with no hybrids.


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So he used invisible lead in the meanwhile?
 

Jack the Hack

Hall of Fame
Can i ask what string and tension you use with your 18*20 strikes? Just got the 2014 18*20 non tour version and about to try it out.

One thing really impresses me with these 2014 versions........ both the 16*19 version i had a couple of years ago and the 18*20 i just got are foam filled! Only Babs i have ever seen foam filled. Some said their tour versions were foam filled, but both mine were non-tour standard versions.......
I string mine with a full bed of Kirschbaum Max Power 18g at 52 lbs, which seems to last for a couple months of hitting 4 to 5 times a week before either turning to mush or breaking. I usually string 2 of the 5 frames at a time and rotate them around, with the fresh ones for matches that count, and the older strings for practices.

In terms of foam filled, yes, the Tour version has this as well. It gives a very solid, vibration minimizing feel to the frames, unique compared to the usual Babolat.
 

Fisch

New User
One of his new YouTube videos appear to show him testing new sticks? Maybe he's just testing out some slight changes in addition to his switch to full poly. I'll guess we'll see when the season starts!

edit: and it appears he still has lead at 3 & 9 on the inside of the hoop at roughly 36 seconds into the video

 

lidoazndiabloboi

Hall of Fame

I just noticed a few things about Thiem's current racket. It looks like hes actually switched over to the current version of the Strike.
- No more X Sider
- The current Strike head guard
- The pointed throat area, not rounded
- No woofer throat grommet
 

TennisHound

Legend
I mean, it's not like the Pure STrike is even that good. Maybe it's just me, but it lacks power and stability. Maybe these cons are negated by Thiem's huge forehand. Is that the reason for his gigantic backswings, or does he use the Pure Strike because of his gigantic back swings. With, say, a pure aero, his shots might just fly out. Is it that he likes it's manuverability?
Sorry for all the spelling mistakes, I dont want to go back and fix them.. too lazy.
I don't know how some of the pros make their racquets work. Same thing with Nishikori and the BLX Tour (or ncode . . .). They just chose a racquet and make it work, regardless of how it hits.
 
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I just noticed a few things about Thiem's current racket. It looks like hes actually switched over to the current version of the Strike.
- No more X Sider
- The current Strike head guard
- The pointed throat area, not rounded
- No woofer throat grommet
Nope. That’s the upcoming new strike. I’ve post some detailed pic in that Project Two Zero threat. The biggest change from P17 to P20 is the head bumper guard and groomets



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