Thiem vs Tsitsipas on clay?

Who is better?

  • Tsitsipas

  • Thiem

  • Equal

  • Zverev

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serbiavic

serbiavic

Professional
Tsitsipas: 2 Masters on clay + RG F + RG SF
Thiem: More titles on clay + 2 RG F + 2 RG SF

Edit: Adding Zverev to the pool because he has 3 Masters on clay.
 
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I would actually say Tsitsipas is up there with Thiem. Thiem has a higher clay ceiling but Tsitsipas has a higher average level on clay IMO. I would back Stefanos to win 6 or 7 out of 10 times.
 
Is this even a question?

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Tsitsipas is more talented on clay, but Thiem is a better match player. I give Stef a slight edge in 10 matches.
 
No question in my mind that Thiem is the stronger clay player. Not sure how Tsitsipas winning a couple of MC's with weak fields changes that. Thiem just peaked a couple years too early.

Tsitsipas might go down with the better clay career, but he still has a lot more to prove before we talk about that.
 
Tsitsipas obviously now. Question worded on present tense.
Thiem has more quality wins against Nadal and Nole but loses to guys like Zverev in finals. Tsitsipas now more accomplished in terms of titles too.
 
Thiem has no big clay titles but thiem has some epic wins over Nadal on clay when nadal was just killing it so imo that counts for really big achievement, even has beaten Djokovic at rg twice whereas if we remove monte carlo then Tsitsipas is clearly inferior to Thiem.
 
MeatTornado said:
No question in my mind that Thiem is the stronger clay player. Not sure how Tsitsipas winning a couple of MC's with weak fields changes that. Thiem just peaked a couple years too early.

Tsitsipas might go down with the better clay career, but he still has a lot more to prove before we talk about that.
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Welp, Thiem massively underperformed at MC and Rome, having one QF and one semi, where he got badly beaten. Had a very good win against Nadal in Rome 17, but that's about it.

Then he also underperformed in Madrid in the 2018 final and 2021 semi. Had a good win against Nadal in 2018 and good runs in 2017 and 2019.

So Tsitsipas is ahead in MC clearly, about equal in Barcelona and Rome both. Thiem better in Madrid with an extra final and extra SF.
Overall roughly equal in M1000 by level across 4 tournaments, even if Tsitsipas has 2 titles.

In RG, his 2017 & 2018 runs, even beating 2017 Djokovic in straights, aren't really better than Tsitsipas's runs in 2020 and 2021.

Thiem is still ahead, but that's solely due to his RG 19 run. Otherwise Tsitsipas is on par with him I would say.
 
T007 said:
2 titles Monte carlo because there was no big 3. If there No Nadal then Federer would have had 3 titles each in monte carlo and Rome
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Thiem lost to Lajovic in 2019 and Goffin in 2017. Did lose to Nadal but suffered one of his worst defeats (Dimitrov and Nishikori did better against Nadal).
 
serbiavic said:
Thiem lost to Lajovic in 2019 and Goffin in 2017. Did lose to Nadal but suffered one of his worst defeats (Dimitrov and Nishikori did better against Nadal).
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Djokovic lost to Dan evans,klizan and karatsev :-D :-D does that mean he is not a great clay courter
 
People picking Tsitsipas are literally blind. The only reason hes won more because instead of facing a still a very good Nadal or Djokovic he faced freaking Fokina.
 
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Thiem peaked higher on the surface, especially in some of his matches (not all of them though) against Djokodal, which is the main thing.
But Tsitsipas has the potential to end up the best player in the end.
 
InsideOut900 said:
Welp, Thiem massively underperformed at MC and Rome, having one QF and one semi, where he got badly beaten. Had a very good win against Nadal in Rome 17, but that's about it.

Then he also underperformed in Madrid in the 2018 final and 2021 semi. Had a good win against Nadal in 2018 and good runs in 2017 and 2019.

So Tsitsipas is ahead in MC clearly, about equal in Barcelona and Rome both. Thiem better in Madrid with an extra final and extra SF.
Overall roughly equal in M1000 by level across 4 tournaments, even if Tsitsipas has 2 titles.

In RG, his 2017 & 2018 runs, even beating 2017 Djokovic in straights, aren't really better than Tsitsipas's runs in 2020 and 2021.

Thiem is still ahead, but that's solely due to his RG 19 run. Otherwise Tsitsipas is on par with him I would say.
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As you have mentioned, Thiem had some impressive match wins, even though it rarely ended with winning the title. Tsitsipas on the other hand never beat Djokovic on clay, and most likely never will. And Nadal was too bad in Madrid 2019.
 
tennis_pro said:
People picking Tsitsipas are literally blind. The only reason hes won more because instead of facing a still a very good Nadal or Djokovic he faced freaking Fokina.
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It is true that Thiem had to do it the hard way. But tennis has abandoned him after that US Open final.

When you only get once chance to play someone else, don't stoop to their level.
 
I think Thiem is probably purely the best player on the surface between the three of them, but it doesn't count for much as he's also the biggest mental midget of them all when it comes to championship Sunday.

I know it's not clay, but had he not run into the Lord of the Yips in New York in 2020 he'd have literally nothing of worth to show for all his time on top but a bunch of blown semis and finals.
 
Tsitsi is more likely to win min 1 RG before his career is over. Thiem probably not so most likely to win 1 RG I think and tsitsi will be the greater clay courter. As of right now theim was the better clay court peak for peak 100%, as for accomplishments yes probably right now marginally that extra RG final run puts him over the top of tsitsipas 2 masters wins and 1 RG RUP. But when it’s all said and done I think it’s easily going to be Tsitsi
 
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StrongRule said:
As you have mentioned, Thiem had some impressive match wins, even though it rarely ended with winning the title. Tsitsipas on the other hand never beat Djokovic on clay, and most likely never will. And Nadal was too bad in Madrid 2019.
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Yeah, I'm fairly sure Thiem would have won at least once last year on clay vs Djokodal.
 
Zoid said:
Thiem.

Both his RG runs were played against tougher comp IMO, and peak Thiem had much more power than Tsitsi.

If they played each other, What is Tsitsipas going to do when Thiem attacks his backhand?

Serve: slight edge to Tsitsi
Volleys: Slight edge to Tsitsi
Forehand: Thiem
Backhand: Thiem
Movement: equal
Mental: ...


Thiem's inside-out forehand and down-the-line backhand are much better than Tsitsi, who relies more on height and spin cross court. I don't think Thiem gets too bothered by that, he can back further on clay and unload with a longer swing.

10 match series I'm thinking 7/3 8/2 to Thiem, partly a match up issue, partly Thiem being slightly better
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Yes but accomplishments wise I think Tsitsi will overtake Thiem pretty soon
 
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