Thin Poly with long lasting playability

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I Really like tour bite 17 or 18, and Tourna big hitter silver 7 tour 17. Tension is 60 lbs on pro staff.
looking to replace these strings. Tour bite used to lose tension a lot. Bhs7t was a good replacement but goes dead after a week or two, depending on hitting.
Is there a good poly with great spin and response that maintains tension and playability?
After all, what’s the point of a string maintaining tension and not breaking if it loses elasticity!
 
Lynx Tour has longer playability than tour bite. 1.2 grey is my favorite but tough to find in US. TW has recently added packs however.

I second Lynx Tour - grey if possible or champagne. Lynx Tour 1.20 seems plays slightly thicker/heavier and feels slightly stiffer then Tour Bite 17 partly because it doesnt lose tension as quickly.
 
After all, what’s the point of a string maintaining tension and not breaking if it loses elasticity!
That's the exact problem with poly that the average tennis player doesn't understand.

But unfortunately for you, the thinner the string, the quicker it dies. Lynx Tour is definitely above average, but if you really want something to last, you go thicker and stiffer, like 4G.
 
That's the exact problem with poly that the average tennis player doesn't understand.

But unfortunately for you, the thinner the string, the quicker it dies. Lynx Tour is definitely above average, but if you really want something to last, you go thicker and stiffer, like 4G.
With tourna 7silver tour, I found the tension to hold great after a couple of weeks but the strings aren’t snapping anymore. They lost elasticity, so balls sail. Not sure how to explain it.
Just because it’s holding tension doesn’t mean it’s working as a poly should.
I lost the feel for non poly strings so can’t go back to gut or multi.
 
the strings aren’t snapping anymore. They lost elasticity, so balls sail. Not sure how to explain it.
Just because it’s holding tension doesn’t mean it’s working as a poly should.
Yeah, I definitely get what you mean. Normally I notice I'm not getting quite as much spin on the ball, and that's when I know it's time to restring.
 
60lbs on a poly is pretty high. That may be contributing your playability problems, in addition to that fact that most of these companies don't make anything thinner than 17(1.20). Outside of solinco, only lux and yonex have begun to make 1.15 but I could be wrong (there could be more). I doubt there will ever be an 18 gauge that can get you the same lifespan as a 16 gauge string : (
 
Is there a 16 gauge with long lasting playability and as good tension maintenance as big hitter silver 7 tour?
I like them on the stiffer side
 
Is there a 16 gauge with long lasting playability and as good tension maintenance as big hitter silver 7 tour?
I like them on the stiffer side

Lynx Tour Grey or Champagne - Not as crisp and doesnt make the exiting metallic bang sounds that S7T does but despite the claims that S7T holds great tension I experience that LT keeps playability and control much longer.

Lynx Tour is really stiff, at low tension it gives the illusion of softness and plays really good but for your setup up the tension and it might do the job. I find it stiffer than Tour Bite as well.
 
Lynx Tour Grey or Champagne - Not as crisp and doesnt make the exiting metallic bang sounds that S7T does but despite the claims that S7T holds great tension I experience that LT keeps playability and control much longer.

Lynx Tour is really stiff, at low tension it gives the illusion of softness and plays really good but for your setup up the tension and it might do the job. I find it stiffer than Tour Bite as well.
Thanks. full bed?
 
Is there a 16 gauge with long lasting playability and as good tension maintenance as big hitter silver 7 tour?
I like them on the stiffer side
Luxilon 4G definitely fits that description, but it's not for everyone. It's the longest playing poly I've used in terms of playability, but I don't use it full bed anymore now that I'm older and don't play quite as often or as high of a level; it's very stiff and low-powered. It's still my favorite string when I go for a gut/poly hybrid though.
 
60lbs on a poly is pretty high. That may be contributing your playability problems, in addition to that fact that most of these companies don't make anything thinner than 17(1.20). Outside of solinco, only lux and yonex have begun to make 1.15 but I could be wrong (there could be more). I doubt there will ever be an 18 gauge that can get you the same lifespan as a 16 gauge string : (
I agree 60lb for Tourna BHS7T is way too much!!
Lower tension would increase snapback, and tension maintainance is great with that string.
 
That's the exact problem with poly that the average tennis player doesn't understand.

But unfortunately for you, the thinner the string, the quicker it dies. Lynx Tour is definitely above average, but if you really want something to last, you go thicker and stiffer, like 4G.
Yes, the TW String Database supports this. The thicker and stiffer the poly, the less they lose tension. I use Kirschbaum Max Power 125 but I use it in a hybrid as a cross and I never string it about 50 lbs and usually string it 46-48 lbs with a multi main 4 lbs above the cross tension. You can look at TW Database to find strings that fit your requirement. My guess is Kirschbaum Max Power or Lux 4G are going to be good at maintaining tension and they are both stiff. You have to drop your tension to accommodate for the stiffness.
 
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Yes, the TW String Database supports this. The thicker and stiffer the poly, the less they lose tension. I use Kirschbaum Max Power 125 but I use it in a hybrid as a cross and I never string it about 50 lbs and usually string it 46-48 lbs with a multi main 4 lbs above the cross tension. You can look at TW Database to find strings that fit your requirement. My guess is Kirschbaum Max Power or Lux 4G are going to be good at maintaining tension and they are both stiff. You have to drop your tension to accommodate for the stiffness.
My point earlier is even when tension is maintained at a great level, this doesn’t mean the string is playable. Say you string at 50 lbs- if it stays at 50 lbs after 6 months, this doesn’t mean the string is good anymore if it’s no longer snapping or providing proper bite, response, etc.
All of these polys are good for 1 to four hours max, even when tension is held
My post is to see if there are any recommendations got longer playability. Head lynx seems to be most people’s answer for stiff poly
 
My point earlier is even when tension is maintained at a great level, this doesn’t mean the string is playable. Say you string at 50 lbs- if it stays at 50 lbs after 6 months, this doesn’t mean the string is good anymore if it’s no longer snapping or providing proper bite, response, etc.
All of these polys are good for 1 to four hours max, even when tension is held
My post is to see if there are any recommendations got longer playability. Head lynx seems to be most people’s answer for stiff poly
Head lynx *Tour* not just Head Lynx; in my experience that distinction matters, as regular Lynx is fine, but I really enjoyed Lynx Tour. (Also Luxilon 4G, but doesn't come very thin)
 
Just installed Restring Sync 18g/1.20mm, played with it for 6 hours now. So far it hasn’t really worn off nor do I notice any tension lost. But of course it’s rather new so I’ll update after maybe the 10th/12th hour?
 
Poly Tour Strike 1.20
Greater than 11hrs of playability, maybe more in a tighter pattern. I used in two semi-closed 16x19s.
Very good control and firm but without feeling stiff. Little bit of a dampened feeling but not quite muted.

One of my go-to's, highly recommend.
 
Poly Tour Strike 1.20
Greater than 11hrs of playability, maybe more in a tighter pattern. I used in two semi-closed 16x19s.
Very good control and firm but without feeling stiff. Little bit of a dampened feeling but not quite muted.

One of my go-to's, highly recommend.
Just watched reviews about the Poly Tour Strike 1.20 last night and really want to try and compare with the Restring Sync 1.20 I’m using right now.
 
Head lynx *Tour* not just Head Lynx; in my experience that distinction matters, as regular Lynx is fine, but I really enjoyed Lynx Tour. (Also Luxilon 4G, but doesn't come very thin)
How I wish 4G came in 1.20… Enjoying the regular yellow and the desert bronze @45 lbs with pro staff 97 (v10 & v11). But I prefer thinner strings for 18*20
 
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First off, a lesson on copolyester string, per @PRS's statement above. You're essentially hitting with plastic, which, by its very nature, is going to deform and loose most of its material resilience over time (aka "go dead"). As such, poly is most definitely not for those who hope they can play the strings for dozens and dozens of hours, without loosing a good portion of playability. That's just not the way the underlying material properties work. Those players are better off switching to a full bed of nylon, polyurethane or natural gut, or some combo of those three.

The above probably comes as no surprise, but you still want to find the longest lasting poly string bed you can. Fair enough. The issue here is that, IMHO, you're approaching it from the wrong angle with a reference tension as high as 60 pounds. Because when you string most any poly at such a tension, you're 1) allowing for more tension available to lose from the get-go and 2) stretching most polys (not all, but most) -- especially something at brittle as Silver 7 Tour -- well outside of their optimal resilience range, before you even hit a ball. What do both of those things do? They basically kill most of any chance that the string is going to have much of its "magic" to begin with, or retain what little is does have for very long. Instead, you want to play at much lower tension, the lowest you can still control (while also modernizing your technique to take advantage of the increased string travel (snapback) and trampoline). Why go out of your way to do this? Because on the performance side of things, you'll unlock easier spin, shot curvature and depth, than perhaps you ever thought possible, and, as it relates to the matter at hand, the string bed will hold way more consistency over time, mainly from 1) having less total tension available to lose and 2) deriving more of its overall playability from the string's static, innate material properties and less so from those only (or mostly) brought about by just tension itself.

Looking at Silver 7 Tour in particular, as I hinted at above, it's most definitely not going to play at its optimal best or longest at or anywhere near 60 pounds, not even in most oversized frames, let alone a Pro Staff, especially an 85 (presuming that's what you play with, if your signature is up-to-date). Quite to the contrary, S7T's most optimal range is typically in the low-mid 40's, and that's for most 98-100" racquets. Don't believe me, though. Go search the forum for the dozens of reference points from well-respected members, or better yet, try it for yourself. For a Pro Staff 85, I would think something down in the upper 30's to 40-ish would be plenty of tension, if not still too much. And yes, I know the first response will be, "But there's no way I could control that!" Perhaps not the way you're swinging the racquet now, no, but in time, and perhaps at a lighter strung spec, I'm willing to bet you could, while also unlocking the playability benefits I mentioned above (spin, curvature, depth, and touch).

So, to recap, sure, moving to the beefiest poly possible will certainly help (older school stiff ones like 4G or Dunlop Explosive Speed, or newer-school, more supple ones that are less tension-effected over time, such as Grapplesnake Tour M8), but ultimately, if you don't start to learn to lower the tension on your setups, you're going to continue coming up way shorter on playable longevity than you otherwise could, irrespective of whichever poly you put in the racquet.

Hope some of that helps. Any questions, feel free.
 
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First off, a lesson on copolyester string, per @PRS's statement above. You're essentially hitting with plastic, which, by its very nature, is going to deform and loose most of its material resilience over time (aka "go dead"). As such, poly is most definitely not for those who hope they can play the strings for dozens and dozens of hours, without loosing a good portion of playability. That's just not the way the underlying material properties work. Those players are better off switching to a full bed of nylon, polyurethane or natural gut, or some combo of those three.

The above probably comes as no surprise, but you still want to find the longest lasting poly string bed you can. Fair enough. The issue here is that, IMHO, you're approaching it from the wrong angle with a reference tension as high as 60 pounds. Because when you string most any poly at such a tension, you're 1) allowing for more tension available to lose from the get-go and 2) stretching most polys (not all, but most) -- especially something at brittle as Silver 7 Tour -- well outside of their optimal resilience range, before you even hit a ball. What do both of those things do? They basically kill most of any chance that the string is going to have much of its "magic" to begin with, or retain what little is does have for very long. Instead, you want to play at much lower tension, the lowest you can still control (while also modernizing your technique to take advantage of the increased string travel (snapback) and trampoline). Why go out of your way to do this? Because the string bed will hold way more consistency over time, mainly from 1) having less total tension available to lose and 2) deriving more of its overall playability from the string's static, innate material properties and less so from those only (or mostly) brought about by just tension itself.

Looking at Silver 7 Tour in particular, as I hinted at above, it's most definitely not going to play at its optimal best or longest at or anywhere near 60 pounds, not even in most oversized frames, let alone a Pro Staff, especially an 85 (presuming that's what you play with, if your signature is up-to-date). Quite to the contrary, S7T's most optimal range is typically in the low-mid 40's, and that's for most 98-100" racquets. Don't believe me, though. Go search the forum for the dozens of reference points from well-respected members, or better yet, try it for yourself. For a Pro Staff 85, I would think something down in the upper 30's to 40-ish would be plenty of tension, if not still too much. And yes, I know the first response will be, "But there's no way I could control that!" Perhaps not the way you're swinging the racquet now, no, but in time, and perhaps at a lighter strung spec, I'm willing to bet you could, while also unlocking easier depth, spin and launch angle in the process.

So, to recap, sure, moving to the beefiest poly possible will certainly help (older school stiff ones like 4G or Dunlop Explosive Speed, or newer-school, more supple ones that are less tension-effected over time, such as Grapplesnake Tour M8), but ultimately, if you don't start to learn to lower the tension on your setups, you're going to continue coming up way shorter on playable longevity than you otherwise could, irrespective of whichever poly you put in the racquet.

Hope some of that helps. Any questions, feel free.

His signature must not be up to date, how do you play with natural gut at 54 lbs then all of a sudden want poly at 60 lbs? Something's not adding up!
 
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