Thinking about going lighter

KaiserW

Hall of Fame
Hello Everyone,

Currently using the RF97 and I think it is time to go lighter. What I love about it the RF97 is the solid feel, stability, and plow thru. It is an absolute rock. The only time the weight bothers me is when I get into a long match but let's be honest that can happen quite often. I don't want to think about the weight in a 3rd set. It is more my serve than groundstrokes. My serve really starts to fall off in a 3rd set.

So I am going to make a 4 pack demo box. Thinking of these sticks.
1. Pro Staff 97 - Demoed before, I thought not enough plow thru but I only tried it for an hour.
2. Pure Drive Tour - Had for 6 months but moved on because I felt I was missing the precision of heavier head lights sticks. But in hind sight maybe I was being too picky.
3. Pure Drive - Is this too light? How is the stability?
4. Ultra 100 - Same questions as Pure Drive.
5. TC 100 Tour - Waiting to demo currently out. It is 310g unstrung but I what I have read about the Angells is they are very solid.

Curious for those that have moved on from the RF97 what did you go to and are you happy with your decision. Also for those using any of the sticks mentioned how is the stability and plow thru.

That is my biggest fear losing the stability and plow thru of the RF97. Which one is closest in terms of those two things? I am thinking probably the Pure Drive Tour.

I realize I would lose some of the strengths of the RF97 but I will gain manueverability. All about trade offs.
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
So what is the SW of your RF97? Not the published spec, but the one you have. I found that I can adjust well to anything provided the SW is close to what I was using previously. The lighter frames (PD, PS97 & Ultra) will need lead if coming from the RF97.

RS - Do you expect a vortex to form around here? I'm outta here!
 

pfrischmann

Professional
A couple of quick questions.
Do you have an NTRP rating?,
Do you play singles or doubles?
What is your style? (Serve and volley, Modern baseline)
What are your best shots
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
In before all the Sureshs trolls invade this thread.

Vortex forming:

I demoed the RF97 twice and could not make it work.

The RF97 is still not suited to the modern game

Played with a true 4.5 player from this board today (new guy). Quite an experience. Somehow hung in there, but always defensive, always late. I tried the RF97 again for 10 minutes and gave up (no pop).

Yes, the RF97 is for advanced players.
 

KaiserW

Hall of Fame
So what is the SW of your RF97? Not the published spec, but the one you have. I found that I can adjust well to anything provided the SW is close to what I was using previously. The lighter frames (PD, PS97 & Ultra) will need lead if coming from the RF97.

Have one that is 333 and one 336. This is using the swing weight app.
 

QuentinFederer

Professional
I really enjoy the weight of the RF97, maybe you could have one strung a few pounds looser to compensate for the slower head speed in longer matches?
 

KaiserW

Hall of Fame
A couple of quick questions.
Do you have an NTRP rating?,
Do you play singles or doubles?
What is your style? (Serve and volley, Modern baseline)
What are your best shots

I am a 4.0 and I play both singles and doubles. I do prefer singles though.

I am a baseline grinder, basically I try to keep the ball deep and move my opponent around. When I get a short ball I will attack and come in but I play 80% at the baseline.

My best shot is by far my backhand.
 

Dominic

Semi-Pro
Was a u0ser of the RF97, just fantastic, but looked to change due to similar reasons as you. Equally was concerned about losing the plow thru of the RF97, but had to trade that off for something,
I really liked the Pure Drive Tour....
But then the Pure Aero Tour arrived, and the rest is history
The PAT was just a bit smoother and controlled then the PDT..
I added a leather grip, to add some weight.
Still decent plow, not the same as the RF97 (never will be)
But traded for better manouverability, little more spin, quick at the net, and rather decent power.
Commemts on the others in your list :
PS97 : with a stiff poly, quite decent..top 5
PDT : probably #2 After the PAT. Way better then expected
PD : too light, got pushed around
Ultra 100 : have not tried this
TC100 : i have not hit with this
But one to add to your list is the TC97..this is probably shared #2
330g 305mm unstrung...very very nice...
 

KaiserW

Hall of Fame
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Was a u0ser of the RF97, just fantastic, but looked to change due to similar reasons as you. Equally was concerned about losing the plow thru of the RF97, but had to trade that off for something,
I really liked the Pure Drive Tour....
But then the Pure Aero Tour arrived, and the rest is history
The PAT was just a bit smoother and controlled then the PDT..
I added a leather grip, to add some weight.
Still decent plow, not the same as the RF97 (never will be)
But traded for better manouverability, little more spin, quick at the net, and rather decent power.
Commemts on the others in your list :
PS97 : with a stiff poly, quite decent..top 5
PDT : probably #2 After the PAT. Way better then expected
PD : too light, got pushed around
Ultra 100 : have not tried this
TC100 : i have not hit with this
But one to add to your list is the TC97..this is probably shared #2
330g 305mm unstrung...very very nice...

Good stuff. Maybe I will subtract Pure Drive for Pure Aero Tour.

Does the PAT feel a lot quicker than the RF97?

Wish I could demo that version of the TC97. I am hesitant without being able to demo.
 

TennisCJC

Legend
You might want to try an 11 to 11.5 oz racket and customize it up to a decent SW. I use volkl o10 295 which is around 11 oz strung, 3HL and 318SW. I have it customized to 6.5HL, 12.1 oz, and 333ishSW.

You like RF97. The the PS97 and add a little lead under the bumper on at 3/9 o'clock. Counter with weight in the handle or under the grip to get desired balance.

You might want to also try the volkl o10 295 or 325 with some customization. I think the volkl o10 and SG10 are similar to the wilson players frames but better. I use the 295 because I can customize to 333ish SW and still keep static weight around 340-344 grams at 6.5HL - this is with strings, dampener and overgrip. If I bought the heavier frame and increase the SW to 333ish with strings, dampener and overgrip; the static weight would likely be over 350 grams.
 

Dominic

Semi-Pro
Yes, the PAT is a lot quicker.
Add some weigjt to the handle, that really just added that extra plow thru that made all the diifference.
The TC97 has a low stiffness so if you like the 'classic' type rackets, this is a very definite option.
 

KaiserW

Hall of Fame
You might want to try an 11 to 11.5 oz racket and customize it up to a decent SW. I use volkl o10 295 which is around 11 oz strung, 3HL and 318SW. I have it customized to 6.5HL, 12.1 oz, and 333ishSW.

You like RF97. The the PS97 and add a little lead under the bumper on at 3/9 o'clock. Counter with weight in the handle or under the grip to get desired balance.

You might want to also try the volkl o10 295 or 325 with some customization. I think the volkl o10 and SG10 are similar to the wilson players frames but better. I use the 295 because I can customize to 333ish SW and still keep static weight around 340-344 grams at 6.5HL - this is with strings, dampener and overgrip. If I bought the heavier frame and increase the SW to 333ish with strings, dampener and overgrip; the static weight would likely be over 350 grams.

I am not one to really tinker with lead. I would prefer to use a racquet in stock form. Although that might be all the PS97 needs and a bonus is it is the same exact mold that I am already familiar with.
 

pfrischmann

Professional
I would say that the PS-97 might be a good try. It's like the RF-97's kinder little brother but feels very similar. It has a very ProStaff feel but it's more modern. It is what I switched to after the RF-97 (too heavy). A lot of this is dependant on how you play. A Rafa style player will want something different than a John McEnroe type. If you like bashing spin serves and spin strokes..It's hard to beat the Pure Aero. However, flattening out strokes or touch shots are really hard to control. The Pure Drive (or tour) has way more control and I feel I can go for smaller targets. It's not uncommon for a PAT to have a 330SW depending on your strings. If I only volleyed once in a blue moon, I would really consider the Pure Drive, not the PDT. It's light and fast and can be easily customize-able with a little lead. The PDT is not good with my arm. I think it needs gut, like Roddick uses it.

I found the ultra 100 light and tinny feeling. The TC-100 is an interesting choice and very different than anything else you have. It's flexible and very soft feeling. It had a little too much pocketing for me. I felt I could have a cup of tea while waiting for the ball to recoil out of the racquet. It absolutely thumps on serve and is very stable. really worth a try.

You might consider Yonnex as well. I do not like the feel but the Ai98 is very stable for it's weight, has great touch and can impart a lot of spin. The DR-100 is a little crisper and the ball jumps off the bed a little faster. I think the 98 is a better all court stick and the 100 is more a baseliner's stick.
 

Sander001

Hall of Fame
Hello Everyone,

Currently using the RF97 and I think it is time to go lighter. What I love about it the RF97 is the solid feel, stability, and plow thru. It is an absolute rock. The only time the weight bothers me is when I get into a long match but let's be honest that can happen quite often. I don't want to think about the weight in a 3rd set. It is more my serve than groundstrokes. My serve really starts to fall off in a 3rd set.

So I am going to make a 4 pack demo box. Thinking of these sticks.
1. Pro Staff 97 - Demoed before, I thought not enough plow thru but I only tried it for an hour.
2. Pure Drive Tour - Had for 6 months but moved on because I felt I was missing the precision of heavier head lights sticks. But in hind sight maybe I was being too picky.
3. Pure Drive - Is this too light? How is the stability?
4. Ultra 100 - Same questions as Pure Drive.
5. TC 100 Tour - Waiting to demo currently out. It is 310g unstrung but I what I have read about the Angells is they are very solid.

Curious for those that have moved on from the RF97 what did you go to and are you happy with your decision. Also for those using any of the sticks mentioned how is the stability and plow thru.

That is my biggest fear losing the stability and plow thru of the RF97. Which one is closest in terms of those two things? I am thinking probably the Pure Drive Tour.

I realize I would lose some of the strengths of the RF97 but I will gain manueverability. All about trade offs.
Strength endurance
 

cknobman

Legend
Going lighter was a good decision for myself.

For years I had always played with a racquet weighing >=12.5 ounces strung.
I loved the stability and could play some great tennis with them but as a matched progressed, and especially in tournaments were I would play multiple matches per day, I always got tired and my strokes suffered because of it.

Last year I moved to a slightly larger head and lower weight with the Pure Aero. It weights around 11.6-11.8 ounces strung.
Its made a huge difference in my ability to play at a consistent level for longer periods of time.

I dont play enough huge hitters to need to worry about being pushed off court with the frame and when I do as long as I keep my timing I can deal with the big strokes just fine.
 

KaiserW

Hall of Fame
Going lighter was a good decision for myself.

For years I had always played with a racquet weighing >=12.5 ounces strung.
I loved the stability and could play some great tennis with them but as a matched progressed, and especially in tournaments were I would play multiple matches per day, I always got tired and my strokes suffered because of it.

Last year I moved to a slightly larger head and lower weight with the Pure Aero. It weights around 11.6-11.8 ounces strung.
Its made a huge difference in my ability to play at a consistent level for longer periods of time.

I dont play enough huge hitters to need to worry about being pushed off court with the frame and when I do as long as I keep my timing I can deal with the big strokes just fine.

Wow interesting the regular Pure Aero weighs that much stock or do you add weight to it?
 

Dominic

Semi-Pro
Never really considered this one. Seems to be low powered from what I have read.
The Prince Textreme 95 is one i tried. Again a decent racket, great control, but yes, js didnt have the easy power im liking these days.

In the same mold as the Pure Control Tour, another i liked, (a lot)
But more control orientated.
 

KaiserW

Hall of Fame
Problem with the RF97 is even though on paper it is pretty headlight it does not feel it. It is a beast.

My Pro Staff Classic 4.2's are basically the same weight but are much more headlight at 11 points. They swing much easier.
 

CopolyX

Hall of Fame
Wait lets play the Green Light /Red Light game...or is the Head Light / Swing Weight game....damn..I forget...
 

KaiserW

Hall of Fame
I have replaced the leather grip with a skin feel and it did make it less sluggish. Currently strung with 17g gut/poly. Both things helped but still not as manuverable as I would like.

Maybe I could try a full 18g poly before giving up on it. Gut is the heaviest string out there so may help.
 

bageldog

Semi-Pro
I switched from ai98 to ai98 lite with lead added at 3/9 to get a slightly higher swingweight than standard weight ai98, more stability, and still almost an ounce less weight. Serves are bigger now in third set with this set up than first set with the standard . Haven't looked back since. I agree with others, just take the lighter frame from same mold as RF97, add some lead (a few grams is all you'll need) to the head and you're good to go
 

Scribbles

Rookie
I think going lighter definitely helps with whipping through the forehand if you have modern strokes. Stability and forgiveness definitely suffers a bit when switching to a lighter racquet and may give off the impression that it's less consistent (What I mean by this is that a lighter racquet will twist more if contact is off-center, whereas a heavier racquet may give you more off-center contact forgiveness). Serving-wise, you won't have the the larger mass to strike the ball so if there are any kinks or stops in the serving motion its going be harder to hit big serves. A buddy of mine, who had options to play high level college tennis, plays with a standard unweighted Pure Drive (non-tour version) and can place 120 mph serves consistently as well as hit huge groundstrokes with that racquet. His serving motion is very fluid and smooth compared to your average club level player and he strikes the ball very cleanly. When compared to me, my serving motion has some kinks I'm trying to work out so I find myself hitting a bigger serve with a heavier racquet and with groundstrokes, I'm not always the cleanest striker so a lighter racquet sometimes twists in my hand. In conclusion, what I'm saying is that its possible to have a big game and play consistently with a lighter racquet but good technique needs to be present. Just maybe something to think about. Cheers.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Hello Everyone,

Currently using the RF97 and I think it is time to go lighter. What I love about it the RF97 is the solid feel, stability, and plow thru. It is an absolute rock. The only time the weight bothers me is when I get into a long match but let's be honest that can happen quite often. I don't want to think about the weight in a 3rd set. It is more my serve than groundstrokes. My serve really starts to fall off in a 3rd set.

So I am going to make a 4 pack demo box. Thinking of these sticks.
1. Pro Staff 97 - Demoed before, I thought not enough plow thru but I only tried it for an hour.
2. Pure Drive Tour - Had for 6 months but moved on because I felt I was missing the precision of heavier head lights sticks. But in hind sight maybe I was being too picky.
3. Pure Drive - Is this too light? How is the stability?
4. Ultra 100 - Same questions as Pure Drive.
5. TC 100 Tour - Waiting to demo currently out. It is 310g unstrung but I what I have read about the Angells is they are very solid.

Curious for those that have moved on from the RF97 what did you go to and are you happy with your decision. Also for those using any of the sticks mentioned how is the stability and plow thru.

That is my biggest fear losing the stability and plow thru of the RF97. Which one is closest in terms of those two things? I am thinking probably the Pure Drive Tour.

I realize I would lose some of the strengths of the RF97 but I will gain manueverability. All about trade offs.
My 2 cents on the plow. You need at least 160g in the head to have a solid plow.

RF 97A=163g
PS97= 152g
PD: 151g
Ultra 100: 150.4g

So any of those rackets will not work stock to give the same plow. The PS97 with 8g at 12pm and perhaps 8g in the handle to counter should give the same plow but be lighter overall. Probably even more solid than the RF97A because the mass is concentrated.
 

KaiserW

Hall of Fame
My 2 cents on the plow. You need at least 160g in the head to have a solid plow.

RF 97A=163g
PS97= 152g
PD: 151g
Ultra 100: 150.4g

So any of those rackets will not work stock to give the same plow. The PS97 with 8g at 12pm and perhaps 8g in the handle to counter should give the same plow but be lighter overall. Probably even more solid than the RF97A because the mass is concentrated.

How much is the Pure Drive Tour?
 

Lord Anomander

Professional
I almost gave up on my racquet, but since adding a leather grip to the Ai 100 I really love it. It's not that heavy (around 340g), but it swings so much faster than before and feels very stable (even more so than the Ai 98).
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
How much is the Pure Drive Tour?
157.8

Divide the balance point by the total length:

32.39/68.58= .472. so 47.2% is in the head because its head light.

So total mass of 334.52g x 47.2%= 157.8

Its not exactly precise as demonstrated by my PS97 example (PS97 with 8g at 12 will have a higher SW than the RF97a because of the location of the weight) but its a quick way to look at a potential racket and know right away if its going to be stable for you.

That 160g number might have some individual variance but I think I went through the TW reviews and when they talk about a racket being stable or having lots of plow it was always with in a few points of the 160g number. I did a thread on this long time ago and for me its a good indicator.
 

wsk429

Semi-Pro
In singles, my preference is the Prestige XTMP. Even in longer matches, I am still able to play my game successfully regardless of opponents. However, in doubles, all the static and swing weight is not as useful. I have noticed that there is less time to setup and most replies have less pace. This means I have to supply most of the power. Sure the mass provides more plow but only if you can setup in time while chasing dinks, lobs, and short balls.

So I'm going to tryout the Pure Strike 100, for doubles and maybe singles too if it also works.
 

KaiserW

Hall of Fame
157.8

Divide the balance point by the total length:

32.39/68.58= .472. so 47.2% is in the head because its head light.

So total mass of 334.52g x 47.2%= 157.8

Its not exactly precise as demonstrated by my PS97 example (PS97 with 8g at 12 will have a higher SW than the RF97a because of the location of the weight) but its a quick way to look at a potential racket and know right away if its going to be stable for you.

That 160g number might have some individual variance but I think I went through the TW reviews and when they talk about a racket being stable or having lots of plow it was always with in a few points of the 160g number. I did a thread on this long time ago and for me its a good indicator.

Thanks
 

Sander001

Hall of Fame
IMHO most of the posts about how a different gauge made a HUGE difference is mostly do to the change in weight, and no one adjusts for it.
Yup, the loss of stability is the main factor in players going back to their fatter gauges.
 
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