This is it for Djokovic :(
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veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Yes of course that's true, nothing lasts forever. I would love for him to ride that momentum until the end of 2013 so that he can finally win a WTF!
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Nadal deserves a WTF title.
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic gets to the final of everything so he has shot at pretty much every major still, but the AO is the only major where he is heads and shoulders above his rivals.
Dude, Joker was tired in the 4th set. He started having trouble with Nadal's slice because his legs were getting weary - you use more legs on a low, skidding slice.
So many put aways that he missed were because of bad footwork, combined with the wind gusts. I'm talking about late 3rd and 4th sets here. He'll be back.
So many put aways that he missed were because of bad footwork, combined with the wind gusts. I'm talking about late 3rd and 4th sets here. He'll be back.
namelessone
Legend
What happened to Djoko since 2011 is that he got a taste of what he always yearned for:
-to become nr.1 - check.
-to dominate Fedal - check(for 2011 at least).
-to win Wimbledon - check.
It's one thing to climb to the top, even though it can be hard you can see the reward waiting for you. Once you get that reward, your hunger goes down. 2011 Djokovic played every match like his life depended on it, you could see it in his eyes, I forgot how many times he escaped that year alone.
The escapes continued in 2012 as well but cracks started showing in his game. In AO he let Nadal come back to push it to five. He lost several times on clay to Nadal that season including RG. He let Roger beat him in WB. He played an awfully mediocre match against unspectacular Andy Murray in USO final to lose in five. He recovered some form by the end of 2012, winning WTF in spectacular style.
2013 only serves to prove that Djoko, while still capable of very high quality tennis, isn't his consistent 2011 self anymore.
He won AO in a pretty dominant fashion, surviving a battle with Wawrinka and coming back to win against Murray after losing the first set. His good form continued in Dubai. But then the wheels started falling off a bit.
Shock losses to Delpo and Haas in IW and Miami.
A nice rebound by beating Rafa in MC.
Losses to Dimitrov and Berdych in Madrid and Rome.
To his credit he really pushed Rafa in RG but like in 2012, he lost.
He reached the finals in WB but had one of the worst performances in a slam final that I've ever seen from him.
Coming to the HC season where he usually does pretty good Djoko loses to Rafa in Montreal and to Isner in Cincy. Then to Rafa again in the US final after he seemingly took control of the match at one point.
At the end, Djoko's decline in nr is pretty clear:
2011: 3 GS finals reached, 3 won.
6 MS finals reached, 5 won.
2012: 3 GS finals reached, one won.
6 MS finals reached, 3 won.
2013: 4 GS finals reached, he won only AO.
1 MS final reached, 1 won.
As you can see Djoko is keeping steady at the GS level, regularly reaching SF and F but unlike 2011 he isn't winning all of them. And in 2013 he suffered massively at the MS level.
A break to re-asses his game is what is needed for him.
-to become nr.1 - check.
-to dominate Fedal - check(for 2011 at least).
-to win Wimbledon - check.
It's one thing to climb to the top, even though it can be hard you can see the reward waiting for you. Once you get that reward, your hunger goes down. 2011 Djokovic played every match like his life depended on it, you could see it in his eyes, I forgot how many times he escaped that year alone.
The escapes continued in 2012 as well but cracks started showing in his game. In AO he let Nadal come back to push it to five. He lost several times on clay to Nadal that season including RG. He let Roger beat him in WB. He played an awfully mediocre match against unspectacular Andy Murray in USO final to lose in five. He recovered some form by the end of 2012, winning WTF in spectacular style.
2013 only serves to prove that Djoko, while still capable of very high quality tennis, isn't his consistent 2011 self anymore.
He won AO in a pretty dominant fashion, surviving a battle with Wawrinka and coming back to win against Murray after losing the first set. His good form continued in Dubai. But then the wheels started falling off a bit.
Shock losses to Delpo and Haas in IW and Miami.
A nice rebound by beating Rafa in MC.
Losses to Dimitrov and Berdych in Madrid and Rome.
To his credit he really pushed Rafa in RG but like in 2012, he lost.
He reached the finals in WB but had one of the worst performances in a slam final that I've ever seen from him.
Coming to the HC season where he usually does pretty good Djoko loses to Rafa in Montreal and to Isner in Cincy. Then to Rafa again in the US final after he seemingly took control of the match at one point.
At the end, Djoko's decline in nr is pretty clear:
2011: 3 GS finals reached, 3 won.
6 MS finals reached, 5 won.
2012: 3 GS finals reached, one won.
6 MS finals reached, 3 won.
2013: 4 GS finals reached, he won only AO.
1 MS final reached, 1 won.
As you can see Djoko is keeping steady at the GS level, regularly reaching SF and F but unlike 2011 he isn't winning all of them. And in 2013 he suffered massively at the MS level.
A break to re-asses his game is what is needed for him.
vandre
Hall of Fame
he'll be back when the anti-depressants wear off a bit...
...and he'll undoubtedly use the outcome of this match as proof that rafa is still doping...
he played rafa in the semis NOT THE FINAL at the French.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Namelessone: he reached 3 GS finals in 2013, not 4. I feel his 2012 was very similar to his 2013. The only difference is that in 2012 he made the final of RG and the semi of W and in 2013, it was the opposite. The other difference is that he did much better in masters in 2012.
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RG semi was real final
. I really hate that semis matches to be honest.İt always feel they are playing the real final.Amelie Mauresmo
Banned
Novak had fallen off this year nobody can dispute this!
The Paris result really DESTROYED Djokovic confidence losing the 4-2 lead and BLOWING the match against Nadal has haunted him since.
The Paris result really DESTROYED Djokovic confidence losing the 4-2 lead and BLOWING the match against Nadal has haunted him since.
PeteD
Legend
If they paint the court with sandpaper he's got it made
Backhanded Compliment
Legend
I think he's got a weird concentration lapse problem... sets 2 and 3 should have both been his.
Wimbledon was very odd.
Wimbledon was very odd.
BigServer1
Legend
In 2010 Novak was a joke. Didn't beat a top 10 player until the US Open, and I think that was the year he had more DFs than Aces (may have been 2009...). This year he won a Major, made two finals and a semi. He was the most consistent player this year, while Rafa was the best player this year.
I will say that I think Novak will need a serious change in his game/mentality to beat Rafa again on a big stage. It will probably happen, but not without some work first. Rafa in his current state is too good for anyone it seems.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Novak needs to revamp his game. The problem is that he didn't just lose to Rafa in the last 3 events they played. He also lost to Murray, Isner, Berd, Delpo, Dimitrov, Haas. It's been very obvious he's been losing his edge this year. He has to recharge his batteries and think up a way to be more efficient and sharper.
powerangle
Legend
Same happened to Rafa in 2011 when he faced Novak. It wasn't like Novak was blowing Rafa off the court on hardcourts even in 2011 Super Novak-mode (except USO that year). IW and Miami 2011 were hard fought...same with 2012 AO. It was just that Novak was winning more of the bigger points. Not too much separated Rafa and Novak in 2011 on the hardcourts.
Today Rafa won more of the bigger points than Novak...not much separated them again (and not much separated them in RG and Montreal this year either). Had Novak won some of the key points it could have been a 4-set win for Novak.
Rafa lost most of the important points to Novak in 2011...then look what happened? Rafa turned it around. Expect Novak to do the same. He will come back and win his fair share again.
Nadalgaenger
G.O.A.T.
I'm really depressed to see him loose but I think this is it guys. I don't see Djokovic beating Nadal anymore and won't be winning any more slams. Real sad, sad day, felt like crying after this match. Even though Nadal says Djokovic is the only one who brings out the best of Tennis out of him and quiet surprised how he can even loose against Djokovic, I can't see Djokovic winning anything anymore with Rafa's form and mentality right now against Djokovic.
Way too many errors and Djokovic just can't be consistent anymore. He was playing fantastic in the 2nd set and early 3rd set where he had Nadal on the ropes then he just dropped his level and Nadal pounced. There's that mentality again.
Quoting from Mustard's post in the 2013 final thread.
2012 Monte Carlo F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-3, 6-1)
2012 Rome F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-5, 6-3)
2012 French Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-3, 2-6, 7-5)
2013 Monte Carlo F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-2, 7-6)
2013 French Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 3-6, 6-1, 6-7, 9-7)
2013 Montreal SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 3-6, 7-6)
2013 US Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-2, 3-6, 6-4, 6-1)
These results are looking worse and worse for my guy. This might be the end of Djokovic's career.
What do you guys think? Djokovic fans and Nadal fans alike.
Ok, what is your point? 5 out of 7 of those matches were on clay! And Djokovic is not at peak form now whereas Nadal has never played better on HC!
Nadalgaenger
G.O.A.T.
Exactly! Prime Novak would not have lost to those lowly individuals. Nadal, yes. Dimitrov and Isner, NO!
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
Totally agree. Life is about ebbs and flows. Novak will be back. He just has to learn how to handle sustained excellence like Rafa and Fed did for almost a decade. He'll get used to his role. He's a great champion.
Rozroz
G.O.A.T.
it's NOT an "off" season. excuses.
he lost his confidence and nothing could regain it while Nadal is in front of him. the winner attitude has won here for good.
waiting for Nadal to get injured and "regain" confidence DOES NOT mean he'll improve.
that's the end of his no.1 days forever.
he lost his confidence and nothing could regain it while Nadal is in front of him. the winner attitude has won here for good.
waiting for Nadal to get injured and "regain" confidence DOES NOT mean he'll improve.
that's the end of his no.1 days forever.
Crose
Professional
Nadal now mentally owns Djokovic. Deal with it.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Unfortunately for Djoker, Nadal is not his only road block. He's lost 9 times this year and only 3 of them were to Nadal. Then there are Murray and Federer whom he can't guarantee to beat most of the time.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Start thinking of your new signature.
^^^ This.
He reminded me of a petulant teenager when down last night, especially in the third set and fourth sets. He played from anger but not in a good way. More like some "spoiled brats" I've seen at ITF/USTA events. He even reminded me of Donald Young at one point.
Meanwhile Nadal played with a focused intensity. I've never liked Nadal and rooted for Djoker last night. But I must admit that Nadal was the serious professional last night and wanted it more than Djoker.
Nadal's defensive tennis is still boring, and infuriating, to watch. And it was great seeing him beat at the last two Wimbledons by lower ranked players being aggressive. But I've come to admire his tenacity and mental fortitude while I can't really admire Djoker anymore who seems to check out when seriously challenged by a top player. Djoker can still dominate lesser players and is incredibly fit and highly skilled. But compared to Federer and Nadal I just don't think he has the mental strength for the long haul. There were a whole lot of shots from Djoker last night that simply said, "I'm done, whateveeerrrrr, where's my check dude."
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lendledbergfan
Rookie
I'm really depressed to see him loose but I think this is it guys. I don't see Djokovic beating Nadal anymore and won't be winning any more slams. Real sad, sad day, felt like crying after this match. Even though Nadal says Djokovic is the only one who brings out the best of Tennis out of him and quiet surprised how he can even loose against Djokovic, I can't see Djokovic winning anything anymore with Rafa's form and mentality right now against Djokovic.
Way too many errors and Djokovic just can't be consistent anymore. He was playing fantastic in the 2nd set and early 3rd set where he had Nadal on the ropes then he just dropped his level and Nadal pounced. There's that mentality again.
Quoting from Mustard's post in the 2013 final thread.
2012 Monte Carlo F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-3, 6-1)
2012 Rome F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-5, 6-3)
2012 French Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-3, 2-6, 7-5)
2013 Monte Carlo F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-2, 7-6)
2013 French Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 3-6, 6-1, 6-7, 9-7)
2013 Montreal SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 3-6, 7-6)
2013 US Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-2, 3-6, 6-4, 6-1)
These results are looking worse and worse for my guy. This might be the end of Djokovic's career.
What do you guys think? Djokovic fans and Nadal fans alike.
Man, its surprising how people extrapolate (or maybe this post is just to garner some more stupid attention, I don't know). Similar things were said about Federer Wimbledon '08 and AO '09. Then again the same things were said when Novak went on a winning streak...
LazyNinja19
Banned
Good stuff from OP, no?
He was sobbing all over the place after Novak lost last year and after AO this year, creating threads like these. And other posters were consoling him.
But as soon as Djokovic started winning, OP started showing his actual colors by being obnoxious and cocky. Not to mention the amount of hate & filth he spewed.
Current holder of 2 Slams, no?
He was sobbing all over the place after Novak lost last year and after AO this year, creating threads like these. And other posters were consoling him.
But as soon as Djokovic started winning, OP started showing his actual colors by being obnoxious and cocky. Not to mention the amount of hate & filth he spewed.
Current holder of 2 Slams, no?
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Maximagq
Banned
Solo was extremely rude, I agree. Saying this as a Djokovic fan, he was extremely aggressive towards other posters who didn't share his same sentiments. I apologize for his behavior but he is no longer able to post on these boards. Thanks.
LazyNinja19
Banned
You don't need to apologize. You're a nice poster.
I have nothing against Solo either. But he made some offensive personal comments towards me, in last few days. I even asked him to mend his ways, but he didn't listen.
Still, I like to believe that he's a nice guy, just that these forums can get you a bit riled up. I'll be happy to be cordial with Solo when he comes back, if he agrees to be more respectful of other posters in here.
After all, Ek Hindustani hi hindustani de kaam aunda ae
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Whoa, solo got banned? Excuse me while I...
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Deleted member 77403
Guest
Whoa, solo got banned? Excuse me while I...
He got banned along with a few others I believe.
But now is not the time to dance. It's the time to fight...it's Wrestlemania week!
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
Wow, when did that happen? Which thread triggered it?
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Deleted member 77403
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I think it around the Miami final thread and some threads related to that final. FOD was also banned like Solo.
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
Yeah, that was expected. They were really having a go at each other.
Legend of Borg
G.O.A.T.
They can't keep off each other dese kids.
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
At least during the clay season I don't need to stay up and watch tennis all night long (all night).
fednad
Hall of Fame
That is news !
As difficult to imagine as to imagine Nadal being fastest between two points
fednad
Hall of Fame
Is that Dmi in your avatar ?
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