"This is nuts": Martina Navratilova lambasts WADA for appealing Sinner’s ‘no negligence’

What are you babbling on about?

The two top players Sinner and Iga tested positive. That is a fact.
Some are speculating that those two are just the tip of the iceberg and that doping is prevalent among all players.
Others do not believe that intentional doping is prevalent. They believe that Sinner and Iga were cases of accidental contamination.
What part of that do you not understand?

If one believes that doping is prevalent we should statistically expect to see other players test positive.
Nah, standard random drug testing can be completely evaded through rapid drug elimination and "designer drugs" so no need for everyone else to get caught by drug testing.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
WADA's funding base is small, so the Sinner and Swiatek prosecutions are a triumph for WADA. As is usual with your comments, you manage to invert the facts.

If drug testing can be so easily evaded it raises the question of what exactly the purpose of the hapless WADA is. Is this all doping theatre?:cautious:
 
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Drighiz

Rookie
What's wild is that in a collective 45+ years of dominance there was not one single positive test between Fed/Nads/Djo, yet in 2024 the top man and woman test positive.

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Yeah but come on, surely this was always bound to happen given that the tests, as stated by WADA themselves, are getting more sensitive by the year. Autism diagnoses, for instance, are famously up something like 1000% in the past 40 years because of improved tools and expertise and greater awareness. These ridiculously marginal cases would never have been picked up 10 or 20 years ago.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
The irony is that, had Sinner and Swiatek been banned for say 1 year, the tennis world would have largely moved on by now. By getting them off the hook, it's a constant drag on tennis' reputation and it might not stop. The authorities seemingly can't see that reputation damage to the sport, so caught up are they by the big name sponsorship players that they see tennis' future based on. They remind me of the mainstream media acting like they are "impartial" while most people think they are completely untrustworthy and deliver fake news by the bucketload.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The trouble lies with the ITIA which failed to deliver the suspensions that such infractions normally attract.

WADA's funding base is small, so the Sinner and Swiatek prosecutions are a triumph for WADA. As is usual with your comments, you manage to invert the facts.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
This may be true, and policy may need to change, but this is not much help for Sinner and Swiatek today.

Yeah but come on, surely this was always bound to happen given that the tests, as stated by WADA themselves, are getting more sensitive by the year. Autism diagnoses, for instance, are famously up something like 1000% in the past 40 years because of improved tools and expertise and greater awareness. These ridiculously marginal cases would never have been picked up 10 or 20 years ago.
 

Better_Call_Raul

Hall of Fame
WADA's funding base is small, so the Sinner and Swiatek prosecutions are a triumph for WADA. As is usual with your comments, you manage to invert the facts.
You may wish to first get acquainted with the facts before accusing others of misinformation. Positive tests are extremely rare.
In all of 2023, no ATP players tested positive at Masters 1000 events or at Majors. None. No positives from the ATP 100 that play at Masters and Majors.
So let's not pretend that WADA has a high workload of positive test cases to deal with.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Don't you think that catching two number ones indicates rather that there may not have been all that many dopers to catch previously?

At least not mong those in the upper echelon.

You may wish to first get acquainted with the facts before accusing others of misinformation. Positive tests are extremely rare.
In all of 2023, no ATP players tested positive at Masters 1000 events or at Majors. None.
So let's not pretend that WADA has a high workload of positive tests to deal with.
 

Better_Call_Raul

Hall of Fame
Don't you think that catching two number ones indicates rather that there may not have been all that many dopers to catch previously?

At least not mong those in the upper echelon.
You said that you feared that these two were just the tip of the iceberg. Now you say it is highly unlikely that others in ATP 100 are doping.
Make up your mind dunderhead.
 

ChrisJR3264

Hall of Fame
So Roddick got on his high horse today arguing the “1/billionth of a gram” thing.
I’m not an expert and won’t pretend to be one.
There is a thing that exists that is micro dosing and half lifes.

What sinner and Swiatek tested positive for are not annabolics to my understanding. What Swiatek got popped for can increase your nitric oxide it seems - so that’s a competitive advantage.
Closestobel - if used enough , can increase testosterone and improve endurance and recovery.

What is the half life of both drugs?
And is this something many pros are doing if said supplements/drugs have short half life?
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
So Roddick got on his high horse today arguing the “1/billionth of a gram” thing.
A defence that Puerta used in 2005, who later admitted lying about getting etilefrine from a glass that his wife drank from.

Honestly, why do pundits treat fans as if we don't know this stuff? It can easily be researched. There was a time, around 2000-2005, when so many Argentine players were testing positive that people were scratching their heads.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
Sinner and or Swiatek did not "ruin" tennis. PEDs have been in use for decades. The claim is patently absurd, but if there was any merit to it, then the sport's alleged destruction must include Halep, who is not the 100% innocent victim certain squealing Talk Tennis Warehouse members claim she is. One of the few times Evert had a valid point was to suspect the never-a-GOAT Navratilova and others were doping in their era, and the use of PEDs in pro sports has obviously grown since the 1980s, no matter what prohibitions and punishments were set in place. Its quite possible many of the pros are using some form of PED, and it would not come as a shock if certain top male players were exposed. On the women's side, I was not at all shocked to read Swiatek is a doper. Its part of the business, and with her history of on-court cheating, Swiatek seeking an advantage through PEDs should not even raise an eyebrow,
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
So you are saying that you had no problem with Sharapova using that wonder-placebo called Meldonium?

Sinner and or Swiatek did not "ruin" tennis. PEDs have been in use for decades. The claim is patently absurd, but if there was any merit to it, then the sport's alleged destruction must include Halep, who is not the 100% innocent victim certain squealing Talk Tennis Warehouse members claim she is. One of the few times Evert had a valid point was to suspect the never-a-GOAT Navratilova and others were doping in their era, and the use of PEDs in pro sports has obviously grown since the 1980s, no matter what prohibitions and punishments were set in place. Its quite possible many of the pros are using some form of PED, and it would not come as a shock if certain top male players were exposed. On the women's side, I was not at all shocked to read Swiatek is a doper. Its part of the business, and with her history of on-court cheating, Swiatek seeking an advantage through PEDs should not even raise an eyebrow,
 

Drighiz

Rookie
So Roddick got on his high horse today arguing the “1/billionth of a gram” thing.
I’m not an expert and won’t pretend to be one.
There is a thing that exists that is micro dosing and half lifes.

What sinner and Swiatek tested positive for are not annabolics to my understanding. What Swiatek got popped for can increase your nitric oxide it seems - so that’s a competitive advantage.
Closestobel - if used enough , can increase testosterone and improve endurance and recovery.

What is the half life of both drugs?
And is this something many pros are doing if said supplements/drugs have short half life?
These are fair questions and all but what baffles me is how can one think that such obvious questions weren't evaluated by all the experts involved in the case already? Come on, half life? These are obvious points! The experts clearly stated that contamination was the only scenario that made any sense, they don't need to explain all the science behind this decision to every tennis fan.
 

aus89

Hall of Fame
Sinner's is way more sus than Swiatek imo - in this age of corporate enshittification, i can absolutely buy that a corporation has relaxed their standards so much that it has something it isn't meant to in it, even to a tiny amount, but Sinner's "no negligence" ruling is kinda bordering on ludicrous given multiple professional people involved being negligent to allow it to happen, and of course the cover up for so long after
 

Rovesciarete

Hall of Fame
These are fair questions and all but what baffles me is how can one think that such obvious questions weren't evaluated by all the experts involved in the case already? Come on, half life? These are obvious points! The experts clearly stated that contamination was the only scenario that made any sense, they don't need to explain all the science behind this decision to every tennis fan.

It only has been the longest ITIA report concerning as single player so far, if I remember correctly. Too long for many people to actually read, imagine if they packed even more science into it ;)
 

RSJfan

Hall of Fame
These are fair questions and all but what baffles me is how can one think that such obvious questions weren't evaluated by all the experts involved in the case already? Come on, half life? These are obvious points! The experts clearly stated that contamination was the only scenario that made any sense, they don't need to explain all the science behind this decision to every tennis fan.

None of the parties to the case (Sinner, ITIA and WADA) that actually interviewed witnesses and reviewed the test results and reports from experts or in the case of WADA reviewed the entire case file disagree on the facts. Only certain experts at TTW do who can apparently evaluate witnesses and evidence using telepathy.
 
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ChrisJR3264

Hall of Fame
These are fair questions and all but what baffles me is how can one think that such obvious questions weren't evaluated by all the experts involved in the case already? Come on, half life? These are obvious points! The experts clearly stated that contamination was the only scenario that made any sense, they don't need to explain all the science behind this decision to every tennis fan.
I mean I question a few things - and maybe I don’t understand the rules when it comes to appeals, but it seems others didn’t get this short of a suspension or no suspension at all.

Most ranked lower had to wait until these appeals got heard which in some cases were up to year.

So I do question whether or not they’re being subjective to the scenario of 2 players ranked #1 and #2 deciding whether or not a 2 year ban would be best for the sport. I only hope they look at all these cases that are similar for others currently and going forward.

The truth is we don’t know. Both players could be telling the truth. Both players could be micro dosing.
Given the fact there’s so many chances of contamination in MFG and the list is so long in terms of banned substances - shouldn’t there be a threshold on the lab values to even warrant an investigation for specific substances?
 

ChrisJR3264

Hall of Fame
Sinner's is way more sus than Swiatek imo - in this age of corporate enshittification, i can absolutely buy that a corporation has relaxed their standards so much that it has something it isn't meant to in it, even to a tiny amount, but Sinner's "no negligence" ruling is kinda bordering on ludicrous given multiple professional people involved being negligent to allow it to happen, and of course the cover up for so long after
Supplements aren’t as regulated and athletes should be aware of this. But again - supplements are approved for sale and consumption so what’s on the label should be warranted.

However even in grocery products they tell you something that doesn’t contain almonds was made in the same facility as nuts/almonds/gluten so they do give a forewarning of cross contamination risk of ingredients. Supplements should do the same.
 

Better_Call_Raul

Hall of Fame
What I said is that if the two best players in the world have been caught it's unlikely lesser players were somehow let off.

We are in agreement that lesser players are not let off. They are all tested and need to be compliant with the WADA doping code and procedures.
Not a single ATP top 100 player was reported to have tested positive and penalized at Masters 1000 events and Majors in 2023, so we have established that positive tests are extremely rare.
We therefore reasonably conclude that the players are mostly clean and the two cases of Sinner and Iga were most likely due to contamination.
Of course, those in the opposing camp believe that doping is prevalent and that these players are evading the incompetent WADA testing. That is a separate issue.

It is not at all clear which camp you align with.
 
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NaDjoFed

Professional
“I can’t understand how smart people with lots of resources were able to build something impressive, thus it must non-humans.” fits perfectly with a mouth shouting “I can’t understand how anti-doping tests and the science behind it work, thus they are cheats”. A personal attempt to figure out his thought process…

pretty much how the world works today, If I do not understand something must be a conspiracy
 

jeroenn

Professional
I mean I question a few things - and maybe I don’t understand the rules when it comes to appeals, but it seems others didn’t get this short of a suspension or no suspension at all.

Most ranked lower had to wait until these appeals got heard which in some cases were up to year.

So I do question whether or not they’re being subjective to the scenario of 2 players ranked #1 and #2 deciding whether or not a 2 year ban would be best for the sport. I only hope they look at all these cases that are similar for others currently and going forward.

The truth is we don’t know. Both players could be telling the truth. Both players could be micro dosing.
Given the fact there’s so many chances of contamination in MFG and the list is so long in terms of banned substances - shouldn’t there be a threshold on the lab values to even warrant an investigation for specific substances?

There have been cases of (lower ranked) players getting the same result as Sinner. But ultimately, each case stands on its own and it makes no sense to compare them. As far as I can tell, they followed the established procedures, but there are difference from before the ITIA time and now (And the ITIA is only around since 2021, and also keep in mind that the WADA rules and the Tennis Anti Doping rules are subject to review /change yearly).

Regarding microdosing and half lifes:
I can only comment on Sinner since I've read most on that. Clostebol itself has a quick halflife, but when Clostebol gets metabolised, it leaves certain materials called metabolites - the end result after your body breaks down a substance. A few of them (in the case of Clostebol at least one) are detectable for quite a while (weeks) even in very low levels because of modern testing methods. Read about it here: [1]

This is exactly what the WADA chief was arguing recently. And this is why there are mutliple studies done on accidental exposure of this particular drug, as it is one that is freely available over the counter in a few countries as part of a skin cream / spray and these cases are popping up more and more because sensitivity of testing increases.

And here is the thing, compared to a full therapeutic dosage, his contamination would be on level with 'microdosing'. There is no dosage level that has any meaning ful PED benefit that wouldn't get caught with modern testing and in fact, extremely low dosages that don't have meaningful PED benefit are caught, as demonstrated by this and other cases.


[1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/scien...abolites were,to 31 days after administration.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Sinner's is way more sus than Swiatek imo - in this age of corporate enshittification, i can absolutely buy that a corporation has relaxed their standards so much that it has something it isn't meant to in it, even to a tiny amount, but Sinner's "no negligence" ruling is kinda bordering on ludicrous given multiple professional people involved being negligent to allow it to happen, and of course the cover up for so long after
Sinners excuse is truly up there with Errani’s “my mothers breast cancer medicine fell into the pasta we ate” and Gasquet’s “I didn’t take cocaine, a random woman I made out with in a nightclub must have”.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
So Roddick got on his high horse today arguing the “1/billionth of a gram” thing.
I’m not an expert and won’t pretend to be one.
There is a thing that exists that is micro dosing and half lifes.

What sinner and Swiatek tested positive for are not annabolics to my understanding. What Swiatek got popped for can increase your nitric oxide it seems - so that’s a competitive advantage.
Closestobel - if used enough , can increase testosterone and improve endurance and recovery.

What is the half life of both drugs?
And is this something many pros are doing if said supplements/drugs have short half life?

Tennis pundits have a vested interested to defend the integrity and the quality of the sport and are by and large, poorly educated jocks with an inflated opinion of themselves.

I'd take anything they say with a grain of salt. Especially on a tricky topic such as this.

That people so often refer to them as the absolute authority in all things regarding tennis is hilarious to me.

Yes, micro-dosing and masking agents are definitely a thing. I remember reading an interesting article years ago where a dude used EPO for a while to see if he can pass the tests:

 

ibbi

G.O.A.T.
I love the Western worlds OBSESSION with Chinese swimmers. All other dopers/suspected dopers are acceptable/swept under the carpet/justifiable, but not the Chinese, and not the Russians. What a farce.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
I love the Western worlds OBSESSION with Chinese swimmers. All other dopers/suspected dopers are acceptable/swept under the carpet/justifiable, but not the Chinese, and not the Russians. What a farce.
A lot of tennis stars, pundits and fellow users here have called out those 2 suspected dopers. I wouldn't categorize "The Western World" all in one basket just blaming Russia/China. I don't buy Sinner's excuse at all. Swiatek maybe has a better chance at me believing her but she got the ban, i'll never view her the same however. It's then on investigating WADA and the ITIA for the punishments given. But we can't deny the systemic cheating that the Russians and Chinese have done specifically at the Olympic games during the last 20 years. And that's just on the Olympics, not individual athletes or the insanity that was the Chinese swimmers... or Yulia Efimova for team Russia..
 

Watching

Rookie
Tbf the ban on swiatek was unavoidable because the contamination came from something she ingested, no matter what, at that point the minimum was 1 month not 0. Thisnis because athletes are told that any supplement might be contaminated and it's ingested at their own risk. That being said usually melatonin has a negligible risk of being contaminated and all she could have done to prevent this was having the pills tested beforehand (every single new batch she buys). Please note she's been using them for years now.
 

Watching

Rookie
Tbf the ban on swiatek was unavoidable because the contamination came from something she ingested, no matter what, at that point the minimum was 1 month not 0. Thisnis because athletes are told that any supplement might be contaminated and it's ingested at their own risk. That being said usually melatonin has a negligible risk of being contaminated and all she could have done to prevent this was having the pills tested beforehand (every single new batch she buys). Please note she's been using them for years now.
And i don't know how much it would cost having melatonin tested once or twice a month, but i expect this to be quite expensive for lower ranked players
 

insideguy

G.O.A.T.
Tennis pundits have a vested interested to defend the integrity and the quality of the sport and are by and large, poorly educated jocks with an inflated opinion of themselves.

I'd take anything they say with a grain of salt. Especially on a tricky topic such as this.

That people so often refer to them as the absolute authority in all things regarding tennis is hilarious to me.

Yes, micro-dosing and masking agents are definitely a thing. I remember reading an interesting article years ago where a dude used EPO for a while to see if he can pass the tests:

I don't know if thats the guy that I saw on a Netflix documentary. But in that one he was a semi pro biker. So he got together with some Russian bio chemist ( this is before Ukraine ect) Anyway the Russian guy helps the dude drug and cheat, just basically for an experiment to see how to do it. Half the doc was about how the Russians cheated in Sochi ect ect and how WADA or whomever the drug agency was got literally upset and embarrassed and were actually mad at the guy for pointing it out. Anyway the Russian scientist ended up defecting. I think hes in witness protection today. But yea the guy blood doped and improved his performance alot. I think it was more than just blood doping to.

Anyway the whole doc was pretty disturbing.
 

jmnk

Hall of Fame
Tbf the ban on swiatek was unavoidable because the contamination came from something she ingested, no matter what, at that point the minimum was 1 month not 0. Thisnis because athletes are told that any supplement might be contaminated and it's ingested at their own risk. That being said usually melatonin has a negligible risk of being contaminated and all she could have done to prevent this was having the pills tested beforehand (every single new batch she buys). Please note she's been using them for years now.
The bolded part is not entirely true. She could have been assessed 0 days of suspension if she had been found as 'at No Fault or Negligence'. But she was only found at 'No _Significant_ Fault or Negligence'. And then, via weighting how much fault there was, ITIA proposed 1 month, which Swiatek accepted. Switek side could have appeal to take the case to Independent tribunal - and the verdict could have been different (more or less penalty). And then she could have appealed to CAS (and the verdict there could have been less or more).

Tara Moore, even though she also ingested, via contaminated meat, got 0 days of suspension because she was ultimately found 'at No Fault or Negligence'. I'm not suggesting that Moore got off easy or that that her process was easier (it was not) vs Swiatek - just pointing out that even in the case of 'ingestion' it is still entirely possible to get 0 days.

BTW - same with Yastremska, ingestion, ultimately 0 days.
 
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Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
Tennis pundits have a vested interested to defend the integrity and the quality of the sport and are by and large, poorly educated jocks with an inflated opinion of themselves.

I'd take anything they say with a grain of salt. Especially on a tricky topic such as this.

That people so often refer to them as the absolute authority in all things regarding tennis is hilarious to me.

Yes, micro-dosing and masking agents are definitely a thing. I remember reading an interesting article years ago where a dude used EPO for a while to see if he can pass the tests:

Andy Roddick's comments remind me of this.
 

Rovesciarete

Hall of Fame
A lot of tennis stars, pundits and fellow users here have called out those 2 suspected dopers.

What is exactly a lot? Do you call Nasty, the abuser from down under or the guy linked to the Russian mob a lot, or have others called them out for ‘doping’?

TORONTO -- Russian tennis star Yevgeny Kafelnikov insists the reputed mobster charged with trying to fix Olympic skating results has been mistakenly accused.

"He's a good friend of mine, but I'd rather talk about tennis right now," Kafelnikov said Thursday after losing at the Tennis Masters Canada.

Alimzhan Tokhtakhounov was arrested Wednesday in Italy on U.S. charges he set up a vote-swapping scheme at the Salt Lake City Olympics.

"Whatever happened there, I'm sure it's some kind of mistake," said Kafelnikov, winner of two Grand Slam singles titles.

Italian police say an investigation into the Russian mafia uncovered the alleged ice-skating fix, as well as Tokhtakhounov's ties to other sports figures, including Ukrainian tennis player Andrei Medvedev.
 
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Watching

Rookie
The bolded part is not entirely true. She could have been assessed 0 days of suspension if she had been found as 'at No Fault or Negligence'. But she was only found at 'No _Significant_ Fault or Negligence'. And then, via weighting how much fault there was, ITIA proposed 1 month, which Swiatek accepted. Switek side could have appeal to take the case to Independent tribunal - and the verdict could have been different (more or less penalty). And then she could have appealed to CAS (and the verdict there could have been less or more).

Tara Moore, even though she also ingested, via contaminated meat, got 0 days of suspension because she was ultimately found 'at No Fault or Negligence'. I'm not suggesting that Moore got off easy or that that her process was easier (it was not) vs Swiatek - just pointing out that even in the case of 'ingestion' it is still entirely possible to get 0 days.

BTW - same with Yastremska, ingestion, ultimately 0 days.
I doubt meat counts as a supplement.
 
If drug testing can be so easily evaded it raises the question of what exactly the purpose of the hapless WADA is. Is this all doping theatre?:cautious:
WADA is just there to control and to make money and to serve as the "foil" to the doping industry. Both the doping industry and anti-doping industry are driven by financial profits. None of the doping industry and anti-doping industry actually care about a "clean" sport. The "fight" against the completely subjective arbitrary idea of "doping" is a complete facade that brings more profit to the sports industry because people are more attracted to athletic feats performed by "non-doped" athletes than to the same athletic feats peformed by "doped" athletes.
 
If you look at Navratilova shredded to the gills and carrying more lean muscle tissue than the average male baseball player and honestly, seriously don't think she was on gear, I'll pay to have your brain scanned.
There are too many who continue to completely delusionally irrationally deny the scientific objective fact that top professional athletes can utilize PEDs and at the exact same time can pass all standard random drug tests with ease just like lance armstrong did through the usage of rapid drug elimination techniques and the usage of "designer drugs" which are altered chemical forms of PEDs that cannot be detected at all by any standard random drug test.
 
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jmnk

Hall of Fame
I doubt meat counts as a supplement.
of course, meat is not the same as supplement. But your argument was
Tbf the ban on swiatek was unavoidable because the contamination came from something she ingested, no matter what, at that point the minimum was 1 month not 0. Thisnis because athletes are told that any supplement might be contaminated and it's ingested at their own risk. That being said usually melatonin has a negligible risk of being contaminated and all she could have done to prevent this was having the pills tested beforehand (every single new batch she buys). Please note she's been using them for years now.
therefore implying that as long as contamination was caused by 'ingestion' there's automatic mandatory ban of non-zero days. I'm simply saying that whether there is or there is no ban does not depend on 'ingested' vs 'non-ingested'. Instead, it depends on overall argumentation and circumstances of the case.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
So you are saying that you had no problem with Sharapova using that wonder-placebo called Meldonium?

No, that is not what i'm saying at all, so poor attempt on your part to try (and fail) to Sharapova from her unethical acts. My reply was aimed at certain Talk Tennis Warehouse members running from thread to thread, screaming "tennis is ruined" thanks to Swiatek and Sinner's PED controversies, as if PED use in the sport did not exist until now, and it was a 100% clean sport. That's not supporting the use of illegal drugs, merely reminding certain members that if tennis is "ruined" by two dopers, then logically, it was "ruined" ages ago when players across numerous sports--including tennis--were doping.

Too bad for you this does not lift the yoke of guilt and responsibility from Sharapova.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
You seem to be somewhat blase about doping except when it comes to the Meldonium-Muncher.

No, that is not what i'm saying at all, so poor attempt on your part to try (and fail) to Sharapova from her unethical acts. My reply was aimed at certain Talk Tennis Warehouse members running from thread to thread, screaming "tennis is ruined" thanks to Swiatek and Sinner's PED controversies, as if PED use in the sport did not exist until now, and it was a 100% clean sport. That's not supporting the use of illegal drugs, merely reminding certain members that if tennis is "ruined" by two dopers, then logically, it was "ruined" ages ago when players across numerous sports--including tennis--were doping.

Too bad for you this does not lift the yoke of guilt and responsibility from Sharapova.
 

TennisBro

Hall of Fame
Sinner and now Swiatek have truly destroyed tennis's image.
First of, I apologize for taking this out of your very reasonable context which I mostly agree with. This Sinner/Swiatek bashing is called for but ignorant to the fact that pro tennis has been run by bias officialdom with hidden agendas. The ITF HQ would tell Pakistan to insure Israeli tennis players could get their visas so that tournaments are approved for 2025 while allowing some other nations have loads of Juniors, Futures and Challengers without Israelis able to enter those countries. Sinner-Swiatek are eye openners that may not only prove how top players can get away with murder but also how the system protects the wealthiest corps/orgs and their investors. The mess is unprecedented given the antidoping and political issues and the ITF tennis body is playing a corrupt game. So, it's not Sinner-Swiatek that have pulled down the sport; it's the power managing it.
 

adil1972

Hall of Fame
A new joke at your service

Martina + other female should keep their nose out of men tennis

Similarly McEnrore + other male should keep their nose out of women tennis

One more
There is no sickness like home sickness
 
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Hawks9451

Professional
Traps and vascularity are off the charts.

Let's think about the forearm pump. (I know it's tennis and the forearm gets a pump. I play tennis.)

"In healthy humans GH acutely lowers peripheral vascular resistance and increases forearm blood flow" (NIH). Best dirty sports supp is human growth hormone. Recovery, lean tissue growth, and strength gains are ideal in tandem with exogenous testosterone use (needling T into your fat). What else would a professional athlete in the 80's abuse during the wild-west days of PED monitoring?

And if you look at MN in her 50s, she has retained an unusual amount of lean tissue, suggestive of exogenous testosterone (flattens the curve of such hormones exiting the body due to aging).

Source: Growth Hormone Exerts Acute Vascular Effects Independent of Systemic or Muscle Insulin-like Growth Factor, NIH, 2008
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Traps and vascularity are off the charts.

Let's think about the forearm pump. (I know it's tennis and the forearm gets a pump. I play tennis.)

"In healthy humans GH acutely lowers peripheral vascular resistance and increases forearm blood flow" (NIH). Best dirty sports supp is human growth hormone. Recovery, lean tissue growth, and strength gains are ideal in tandem with exogenous testosterone use (needling T into your fat). What else would a professional athlete in the 80's abuse during the wild-west days of PED monitoring?

And if you look at MN in her 50s, she has retained an unusual amount of lean tissue, suggestive of exogenous testosterone (flattens the curve of such hormones exiting the body due to aging).

Source: Growth Hormone Exerts Acute Vascular Effects Independent of Systemic or Muscle Insulin-like Growth Factor, NIH, 2008
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Yea, standard random drug testing cannot consistently reliably detect human growth hormone so martina navratilova definitely was using human growth hormone like lance armstrong and everyone else.
 
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