"This is nuts": Martina Navratilova lambasts WADA for appealing Sinner’s ‘no negligence’

Better_Call_Raul

Hall of Fame
It is extraordinarily rare for WADA to appeal a tennis doping case to CAS!
WADA typically appeals cases in cycling, swimming, track and field, etc.
WADA has appealed the Sinner finding of "no negligence and no intentional doping" to CAS.

Now we will finally get clear guidance from the CAS in Switzerland on these tennis doping cases going forward.

Pending CAS Cases Filed by or Related to WADA​

  1. Tennis:
    • Jannik Sinner (ITA) - Appeal regarding a finding of no fault or negligence after testing positive for clostebol.
  2. Athletics:
    • Erriyon Knighton (USA) - Appeal by the Athletics Integrity Unit (AIU), affiliated with WADA, challenging a decision of no fault or negligence from USADA. Knighton is a sprinter.
    • Rhonex Kipruto (KEN) - Challenge against a six-year ineligibility decision for anti-doping rule violations. Kipruto is a long-distance runner specializing in road racing and track events.
    • Issamade Asinga (SUR) - Challenge regarding an intentional anti-doping rule violation. Asinga is a sprinter.
    • Ekaterina Guliyev (RUS) - Challenge against a decision regarding anti-doping rule violations. Guliyev competes in athletics.
    • Jackline Wambui (KEN) - Appeal against a decision that the anti-doping rule violation was not intentional. Wambui is also an athlete in athletics.
 
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Doping control is not based on ascertaining performance enhancement. It is based on classifying and prohibiting substances that are defined as performance-enhancing.

Just because Sinner played well without the drug in his system is irrelevant.
 

JMR

Hall of Fame
Doping control is not based on ascertaining performance enhancement. It is based on classifying and prohibiting substances that are defined as performance-enhancing.

Just because Sinner played well without the drug in his system is irrelevant.
Perhaps you are mistaking this forum for the ITIA's Independent Tribunal or the CAS? Because the question of performance enhancement is most certainly not irrelevant to the wild allegations of "cheating," paranoid fears of invalidated tournament results, the-sky-is-falling wails of catastrophe for the sport, and ludicrously draconian demands for career execution that circulate here regularly.
 

btsjungkook

Professional
The irony is that, had Sinner and Swiatek been banned for say 1 year, the tennis world would have largely moved on by now. By getting them off the hook, it's a constant drag on tennis' reputation and it might not stop. The authorities seemingly can't see that reputation damage to the sport, so caught up are they by the big name sponsorship players that they see tennis' future based on. They remind me of the mainstream media acting like they are "impartial" while most people think they are completely untrustworthy and deliver fake news by the bucketload.
This. Had they been properly given a suspension once tested positive, the reputation of tennis wouldn't be at stake. The big 3 have played longer than them and they never tested positive, but now two world no.1s test positive in one year and no long suspension. It feels like a joke.
 

insideguy

G.O.A.T.
As others have stated. It's not so much that these people tested positive. It's the way it's been handled. And before someone who reads WADA literature all day lectures me how well it's been handled, sorry that isnt a majority position. Hell you could even be right. But its looks like crap. I dont care if people say oh no it's totally ok it's normal. The public isnt going to buy it. Now people may say well the public be dumb. Could be. But this sport has to sell itself. This aint selling itself.
 

Better_Call_Raul

Hall of Fame
It amazes me how all the haters and doubters are unable to see this and realise they are FOS...

The Sinner bashers say that he is continuing to dope. Sinner has masking strategies that can evade weekly year-round random testing.
That is the claim. :unsure:

We presume that WADA drug testing is somewhat competent and not easily evaded. Also, the fact that since he tested positive, a presumably clean Sinner has completely dominated the field
lends credence to the findings from The Tribunal finding that the low levels found in his system had no performance-enhancing effect and that the low levels found were consistent
with accidental contamination from a trainer massage.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The performance of Sinner has nothing to do with whether he doped or not.

It's enough that a player thinks it will work from his point of view.

It's enough that it's in a player's system from WADA's point of view.

The Sinner bashers say that he is continuing to dope. Sinner has masking strategies that can evade weekly year-round random testing.
That is the claim. :unsure:

We presume that WADA drug testing is somewhat competent and not easily evaded. Also, the fact that since he tested positive, a presumably clean Sinner has completely dominated the field
lends credence to the findings from The Tribunal finding that the low levels found in his system had no performance-enhancing effect and that the low levels found were consistent
with accidental contamination from a trainer massage.
 

Rovesciarete

Hall of Fame
The Sinner bashers say that he is continuing to dope. Sinner has masking strategies that can evade weekly year-round random testing.
That is the claim. :unsure:

We presume that WADA drug testing is somewhat competent and not easily evaded. Also, the fact that since he tested positive, a presumably clean Sinner has completely dominated the field
lends credence to the findings from The Tribunal finding that the low levels found in his system had no performance-enhancing effect and that the low levels found were consistent
with accidental contamination from a trainer massage.

Quite a few people around the web convinced themselves that his level would drop because he could no longer ‘dope’. After his level even rose they convinced themselves that he must continue to dope in mysterious ways. Obviously all without presenting proof, facts or logic. It is quite amusing to observe but also reveals a dark side.

Kyrgios is of course a prime example, he cracked mentally, got drunk and did drugs but also has a very high opinion of himself. Could not bother to inform himself, has fooled himself again and is now acting like an ardent witch hunter and modern bully.
 
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uscwang

Hall of Fame
This. Had they been properly given a suspension once tested positive, the reputation of tennis wouldn't be at stake. The big 3 have played longer than them and they never tested positive, but now two world no.1s test positive in one year and no long suspension. It feels like a joke.
Words are cheap. Numbers are brutal.
 

The Guru

Legend
Using Sinner's continued performance as evidence is even foolish if he stopped doping because the studies show that steroid usage has long term athletic benefits far beyond when you stop using them
 

1H-Backhand

Rookie
The Sinner bashers say that he is continuing to dope. Sinner has masking strategies that can evade weekly year-round random testing.
That is the claim. :unsure:

We presume that WADA drug testing is somewhat competent and not easily evaded. Also, the fact that since he tested positive, a presumably clean Sinner has completely dominated the field
lends credence to the findings from The Tribunal finding that the low levels found in his system had no performance-enhancing effect and that the low levels found were consistent
with accidental contamination from a trainer massage.
This bashers sound like the kind of people who believe the earth is flat...
 

jmnk

Hall of Fame
As others have stated. It's not so much that these people tested positive. It's the way it's been handled. And before someone who reads WADA literature all day lectures me how well it's been handled, sorry that isnt a majority position. Hell you could even be right. But its looks like crap. I dont care if people say oh no it's totally ok it's normal. The public isnt going to buy it. Now people may say well the public be dumb. Could be. But this sport has to sell itself. This aint selling itself.
ok, what would be a correct way of handling Sinner and Swiatek cases so the 'public would buy it', it would still be fair, and it would be according to ITIA process (since, well, you can't change the process that has been in place for years before first have anyone approve any changes)?
 

RSJfan

Hall of Fame
As others have stated. It's not so much that these people tested positive. It's the way it's been handled. And before someone who reads WADA literature all day lectures me how well it's been handled, sorry that isnt a majority position. Hell you could even be right. But its looks like crap. I dont care if people say oh no it's totally ok it's normal. The public isnt going to buy it. Now people may say well the public be dumb. Could be. But this sport has to sell itself. This aint selling itself.
It’s been handled by the book. If you don’t want to read the book that’s another issue. And outside of a tennis board and tennis insiders,

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