This is what NTRP 4.5 is looks like?

drakulie said:
Those cards have been non-existent for years now. Go beat up the guy who stole your money, cause the card is worthless, and proves absolutely ZERO.
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The card is better than a computer rated player that plays on a weak team. Any joeshmoe can start a 5.0 team that sucks and every player can get computer rated at that level. The people who gave out the cards where actually qualified to give the ratings. I think it was free but can't remember. I don't care about the card anyway. Usta rankings and trophys mean more to me. Let's see these guys usta rankings. I think we would agree that means more, but not always. Even in the open you can get a ranking and not win a match or win by default. My highest open ranking was 13, and i admit that year i did not deserve it.
 
Ultra2HolyGrail said:
The card is better than a computer rated player
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No, it's not. Anyone could get a card and a rating via computer. However, the difference is, once you start playing matches, the computer will drop, keep you at the same level, or bump you up as a result of your matches.

The card does none of this.

The only system that will really show you what level you are, is to play other computer rated players. End of story. The guy in this vid has that, you have a card.

Ultra2HolyGrail said:
The people who gave out the cards where actually qualified to give the ratings.
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Yes, people who gave out the cards were USTA certified coaches. The same USPTA system that gives out teaching certifications to beginners as long as you show up one weekend to take a test and pay 80 bucks.

Like I said, go beat up the guy who gave you that card, because they have been non-existent for years now, and even when they were used, were not accurate.
 
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Swissv2 said:
The guy in white is a USTA 5.0 ranked player
http://tennislink.usta.com/leagues/reports/CheckMemberName.asp?Last=Sakuma&First=Gary

Show us your USTA page.
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He's 5.0 rated in a league in hawaii? Those aren't rankings. Just a rating. You think it's impossible to have a weak 5.0 team in hawaii? Where they could possibly just be real 4.0's?

Again, showing vids comming into the net does not make you a 4.5-5.0. If you can't tell by technique what there level is i don't know what to tell you. Sure some videos like drak psoted of that one 5.5-6.0 guy can fool you with ugly strokes. But not all.
 
drakulie said:
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Yes, people who gave out the cards were USTA certified coaches. The same USPTA system that gives out teaching certifications to beginners as long as you show up one weekend to take a test and pay 80 bucks.
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A begginer won't pass the playing test. Unless uspta does something different than what i was told.


Again what about 5.0 team doubles players, does the computer drop both players if they don't win any matches? You seem to want to avoid the question.
 
Ultra2HolyGrail said:
Again, showing vids comming into the net does not make you a 4.5-5.0. If you can't tell by technique what there level is i don't know what to tell you. Sure some videos like drak psoted of that one 5.5-6.0 guy can fool you with ugly strokes. But not all.
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vids don't always tell the story. The score at the end of the match is all that counts.

Here is a vid I took when capturing vids and photos of a national tournament. When posters saw this vid, they said the usual>>>> these guys would get creamed in my 3.5 ladder, or these guys would be at best a 3.0 in **Atlanta**, and yada, yada, yada.

Fact is, at the time I took this vid, they were both 5.5 rated players, and both had national rankings. Yet, there strokes look "unimpressive" on vid, especially for those who have never seen themselves on vid, have never played higher caliber players, or played tourneys and actually faced these type of players.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8flwTWXCgOc
 
Ultra2HolyGrail said:
A begginer won't pass the playing test. Unless uspta does something different than what i was told.
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I know a few people who passed the certification and had been playing tennis less than a year.

Ultra2HolyGrail said:
You can't prove anything with these threads. Only opinions.
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Yes, these thread can prove much. For instance, it is a FACT the guy in this vid is a 5.0 rated USTA player, based on the link provided. It is a fact that the card some guy gave you when you paid him to rate you is worthless.
 
drakulie said:
Yes, these thread can prove much. For instance, it is a FACT the guy in this vid is a 5.0 rated USTA player, based on the link provided. It is a fact that the card some guy gave you when you paid him to rate you is worthless.
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Lol. You are a 5.5 at computer armchair debates. I give you that. No go work on you sampras serve. And definately the overheads. :)
 
Ultra2HolyGrail said:
He's 5.0 rated in a league in hawaii? Those aren't rankings. Just a rating. You think it's impossible to have a weak 5.0 team in hawaii? Where they could possibly just be real 4.0's?

Again, showing vids comming into the net does not make you a 4.5-5.0. If you can't tell by technique what there level is i don't know what to tell you. Sure some videos like drak psoted of that one 5.5-6.0 guy can fool you with ugly strokes. But not all.
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It's hard to finish with a 5.0 computer rating after playing 5.0 tennis from 2001-2007 - as this guy did. His results in competition say that he was a 5.0.

As drak said, the computer would drop your rating if your results were not competitive.
 
Ultra2HolyGrail said:
Again, showing vids comming into the net does not make you a 4.5-5.0. If you can't tell by technique what there level is i don't know what to tell you. Sure some videos like drak psoted of that one 5.5-6.0 guy can fool you with ugly strokes. But not all.
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This coming from a guy that has yet to show us what "real" 4.5 players look like.

*cough*
 
drakulie said:
I know a few people who passed the certification and had been playing tennis less than a year.
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At most clubs most around here teaching pros have thier credentials written on a plaque. Don't expect just anyone to get a great job at a good club with just a certification. Unless they are family members or knows somebody with some clout. Open rankings, college history etc are all more important than a piece of paper. Even then though that don't mean you are actually a good teacher. I've tooken lessons from div1 players that where pretty horrible at teaching, but good at playing.
 
Ultra2HolyGrail said:
Lol. You are a 5.5 at computer armchair debates. I give you that. No go work on you sampras serve. And definately the overheads. :)
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LOL, you're quite funny every once in a while. I'll give you that. But funny doesn't equate to the fact the guy in this vid is a 5.0. Deal with it.

Ultra2HolyGrail said:
At most clubs most around here teaching pros have thier credentials written on a plaque. Don't expect just anyone to get a great job at a good club with just a certification. Unless they are family members or knows somebody with some clout. Open rankings, college history etc are all more important than a piece of paper. Even then though that don't mean you are actually a good teacher. I've tooken lessons from div1 players that where pretty horrible at teaching, but good at playing.
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Agreed. One of the very best players at the club where I live, is also perhaps the worst instructor I have ever witnessed.
 
drakulie said:
LOL, you're quite funny every once in a while. I'll give you that. But funny doesn't equate to the fact the guy in this vid is a 5.0. Deal with it.
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But can YOU tell. Obviously i don't think so. And i'm sure you don't have a clue. Sure you have a point with some of the videos you dig up with ugly looking strokes. What's the point of even asking peoples opinions on videos in the first place. Does all it take is a rating from a usta leauge for you to believe they are at that level? Obviously so.
 
Ultra2HolyGrail said:
But can YOU tell. Obviously i don't think so.
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Difference between you and me is that I know how to click on a link, and see with my own eyes what the guys rating is>>>> 5.0.

No one cares that you have a card you paid $60 to obtain a rating. You card is worthless, the guys record against other 5.0's speak for itself.
 
drakulie said:
Difference between you and me is that I know how to click on a link, and see with my own eyes what the guys rating is>>>> 5.0.

No one cares that you have a card you paid $60 to obtain a rating. You card is worthless, the guys record against other 5.0's speak for itself.
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But DRAK, I got my own UZTA card printed out fresh and neat just one week ago. It said I was UZTA 6.5!!! That proves I kno wut I talks bout!

OMG, my card so trumps any video or link posted.

I pwn. My opinion rulez and is truth!
 
Swissv2 said:
But DRAK, I got my own UZTA card printed out fresh and neat just one week ago. It said I was UZTA 6.5!!! That proves I kno wut I talks bout!

OMG, my card so trumps any video or link posted.

I pwn. My opinion rulez and is truth!
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LZAO!! Youz Rulz!!! :)
 
drakulie said:
Yet, their strokes look "unimpressive" on vid,
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I disagree wholeheartedly. There's a difference between strategic hitting and not being able to hit how you need to (to win the point). Both of those guys can turn it on and you see that on the short balls and the backhand (near court). It is similar what I posted before when Chang came in this year to the Nats and was practicing the day before the expo. The pace itself wasn't killer. It was the decent, not overwhelming, pace with the placement.
 
mtommer said:
I disagree wholeheartedly. There's a difference between strategic hitting and not being able to hit how you need to (to win the point). Both of those guys can turn it on and you see that on the short balls and the backhand (near court). It is similar what I posted before when Chang came in this year to the Nats and was practicing the day before the expo. The pace itself wasn't killer. It was the decent, not overwhelming, pace with the placement.
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eh?

When I posted this video, most people were rating these guys at 3.5 and below because their strokes **do not** look impressive. Look at the guys FH (near the camera),,,, he is upright, not bending his knees, and looks as though he is arming it. His serve isn't impressive looking either, as he doesn't even keep his tossing arm up when he serves. (he collpases before he hits the ball) Yet, as I stated he was a 5.5 when this vid was taken.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8flwTWXCgOc

And, Yes, I agree with what you are saying in relation to doing what you have to, to win a point.

Fact is, many people on these boards have rated youzhny, sampras, verdasco, and other pros at or below the 4.0 level when not knowing who they were, and yet the same type of posters have rated jo11y up to 6.0 based on his vids.
 
drakulie said:
eh?
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When I see the motions at :17, :22, :42, and :57 it reveals that point to be very strategic because the guys can hit harder/nicer but don't. It appears they're worried about pulling themselves out of position hitting a nice shot which might give their opponent the opening they need for a winner if they don't score on the nice shot.

drakulie said:
Fact is, many people on these boards have rated youzhny, sampras, verdasco, and other pros at or below the 4.0 level when not knowing who they were, and yet the same type of posters have rated jo11y up to 6.0 based on his vids.
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Hmmmm.....I don't think I saw some of those threads. Nothing against Jolly, but a 6.0? Man, maybe I ought to take some point vids so I can be rated 6.0 too! :mrgreen:
 
Swissv2 said:
But DRAK, I got my own UZTA card printed out fresh and neat just one week ago. It said I was UZTA 6.5!!! That proves I kno wut I talks bout!

OMG, my card so trumps any video or link posted.

I pwn. My opinion rulez and is truth!
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You won't go from 3.5-5.0 not listening to people who know what they are talking about. Keep listening to drak and remain 4.0 at best your whole life.
 
Ultra2HolyGrail said:
You won't go from 3.5-5.0 not listening to people who know what they are talking about. Keep listening to drak and remain 4.0 at best your whole life.
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What, hold on a sec here...are you trying to insult me? LOL!
Doesn't work, buddy. But nice try.

Lets take a closer look at this issue.
Ultra2HolyGrail said:
Is it proven these guys have a 5.0 usta rating on a card?
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Ultra2HolyGrail said:
I have one. You attend a clinic to get rated.
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USTA DOES NOT use verification clinics for ratings anymore. You must be computer rated.
source: http://www.scta.usta.com/SCTA/Global/Custom%20Pages/USA%20League%20Tennis%20Pages/3183_FAQ.aspx

Ultra2HolyGrail said:
The card is better than a computer rated player that plays on a weak team.
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Simple answer: USTA doesn't agree with that statement.
source: http://www.scta.usta.com/SCTA/Global/Custom Pages/USA League Tennis Pages/3183_FAQ.aspx

Ultra2HolyGrail said:
He's 5.0 rated in a league in hawaii?
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He is a computer rated 5.0 player by the USTA Dynamic Rating System.
source: http://tennislink.usta.com/leagues/...00463B30E092820594EBEA39D87F6E2D0D&CYear=2007


So what have we learned here?
When you sign up with USTA, you MUST register through TennisLink and become computer rated.

Apparently, you got duped by your "pros" stating that you need to pay them to "rate you" and give you an official "rating card" (which doesn't exist anymore).

Finally:
drakulie said:
Those cards have been non-existent for years now. Go beat up the guy who stole your money, cause the card is worthless, and proves absolutely ZERO.
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Looks like Drak knows what he is talking about.
 
BreakPoint said:
Yup, look like 4.5's to me, too.

It's possible they might be 5.0's but I'll need to see more than just a few shots.
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Definitely higher than 4.5. You have to remember you're watching a youtube video. It also says the guy in blue is the #1 player from Tahiti.
 
They do look goofy on some of their ground strokes (serve looks fine).

But like a few posters have said, it's hard to judge them soley on the 'look' of their strokes.

If you look at their gameplay, they look pretty solid: able to keep the ball deep on the serve & ground strokes; pretty solid hands at the net; sense of court awareness. Definitely good value for 4.0.

But I'm not too sure about 4.5: too much cat and mouse gameplay for me. Their short slices look to be their primary A Game & i'm not really digging those shots because they look like a bit of a liability & I think they could have done more with some of those short balls.
 
1st video with blue shirt vs asian guy are 3.5. baseline rallys are ended far to early with many uf errors. Though the serves are ok.

2nd video with the green giant vs tubby asian are 4.o level, decent serves, consistent shots with out consistent depth. Movement is lacking from the giant. I loved the lob volley tactics at 2mins. hahaha yeah jump giant jump!
Nice slice and direction on that asians serve, good attacking play on serves though his volleys are sometimes erratic.
Movement is fine. Yeah these guys arn't going to beat themselves on court with uf like with the 1st video pair.
Easily 3.5+, depth and pace are too lacking to be 4.5's.
 
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