This is why Naomi Osaka is skipping press-conferences

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Kralingen

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I wonder who could possibly be making these comparisons of Gauff to the Williams sisters...



Even though I don't really support Osaka here, I must admit that tennis reporters, and the press in general, intentionally ask disingenuous and leading questions to get a response that doesn't accurately represent the athlete. And in some cases downright stupid, idiotic, and offensive questions (remember Federer going off about the 'weak era' question). It's a weird rarified air journalists get. Imagine in any other setting, someone asking Gauff 'yo isn't it crazy that you and Serena are both black, can I compare you two?' it would be offensive and in bad taste.
 

big ted

Hall of Fame
what kind of degree do you need to be a tennis reporter anyway?
i think people are expecting too much of tennis reporters lol..
but is the question that stupid anyway? how many young black tennis prodigies have
there been since the williams? 0?
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
Seriously? Do you really think this is strenuous?

Just image how it is for moviestars promoting their new flick. Or popstars releasing a new album - or touring.
They're bombarded with the same inane questions about how they got started, what their influences are, what they think about [enter superficial subject], how they compare themselves to this or that, what category they fall into. If they're women, then there's the barrage of standard women-angled questions. Same for race, skin color, religion and what not. Over and over and over. It's like that band from the 80s with the one hit they have to play day in and day out. Could be characterized as living hell. That I empathize with.

Being asked a few questions now and then at a press conference?
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
what kind of degree do you need to be a tennis reporter anyway?
i think people are expecting too much of tennis reporters lol..
but is the question that stupid anyway? how many young black tennis prodigies have
there been since the williams? 0?
I have always compared journalists to lawyers. Same low lives, but as you pointed out, at least the lawyers are educated.
 

JustMy2Cents

Professional
You are often compared to Nadal. Maybe it is because you are white.
But I guess it is because you are talented and European too.
We could have a semi-final between you and Rafa.
Is it something you hope for?
The Press just wants some quotes about Serena or the Big3/2. Actually Coco and Iga were asked about Rafa:laughing:

Iga on Rafa:
Q. Many times you have said you're a big fan of Rafa Nadal. Have you ever talked to him about defending the trophy in Paris? Have you ever consulted with him about any tennis question?

IGA SWIATEK: No, not yet. Maybe we're gonna have a chance to do that later, but we just had like a quick small talk last year, and yesterday he said hi to me. For now I'm too overwhelmed to even say hi. So, you know, I'm a big fan of his, and if I'm gonna have a chance to, you know, ask him some stuff and also learn from him, it would be great, but we are both busy, so I know it's gonna be hard to schedule that.

But, yeah, we're gonna see.

Q. My question was actually about Rafa, as well. You're turning 20 on Monday, I believe. I think he celebrates his birthday during Roland Garros, as well. There was the coincidence of you guys saving match points in Rome and winning that title. Your fandom of him, have you ever thought about these things, about the kind of weird connections that you guys have or don't have?

IGA SWIATEK: Well, I thought about it, but I also think it's kind of weird. I don't know. I don't know what to say, because it's also some kind of superstition when you look at that stuff and try to compare each other.

But, yeah, I know it's weird (smiling).
 

bjsnider

Hall of Fame
Questions asked by reporters make no difference at all to anyone. Osaka is allowing these questions to affect her exponentially more than they should. Just make up a bunch of nonsensical answers and most of the press will stop asking any questions. If you're talking like Syd Barrett the press doesn't have anything they can print, and you don't have to play in their reindeer games.
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
You are often compared to Nadal. Maybe it is because you are white.
But I guess it is because you are talented and European too.
We could have a semi-final between you and Rafa.
Is it something you hope for?
That's not how that works.
The original question emphasizes the following, as a premise for the comparison with the Williams sisters:
  1. skin color (black)
  2. talent
  3. nationality
Are those relevant to address?
To evaluate that, consider the following:
  1. how many black women are there in the WTA top 100?
  2. how many non-US black women are there in the WTA top 100?
  3. is the comparison between country(wo)men uncommon?
  4. is the comparison between any of the big three and young talents uncommon?
  5. is the comparison between any of the big three and young talents uncommon, if they are from the same country?
If you want to paraphrase the question posed Gauff, this would be a more correct version:

"You are often compared to Larry Bird. Maybe it is because you are white.
But I guess it is because you are talented and American too.
We could have a semi-final between you and Larry.
Is it something you hope for?"

"You are often compared to Christophe Lemaitre. Maybe it is because you are white.
But I guess it is because you are talented and French too.
We could have a semi-final between you and Christophe.
Is it something you hope for?"

Btw. we can also slightly alter the paraphrase to add the question Alcaraz is going to be asked for the rest of his career:

"You are often compared to Nadal. Maybe it is because you are Spanish.
But I guess it is because you are talented too.
We could have a semi-final between you and Nadal.
Is it something you hope for?"
 

GhostOfNKDM

Hall of Fame
Ask Wawrinka how many times he gets quizzed on his more famous compatriot... he got so vexed at one point, he'd say upfront not to ask him any more about Roger for whom he's already expressed his admiration a million times.

So it is annoying but Stan handled it well.

I don't find it racist that Coco is compared to Serena or asked about the latter or about playing with her. Perhaps others can see something there I don't.

This young gen should leave outrage and implication of racism to instances that truly deserve it and not devalue real injustice.
 

Kralingen

Hall of Fame
Ask Wawrinka how many times he gets quizzed on his more famous compatriot... he got so vexed at one point, he'd say upfront not to ask him any more about Roger for whom he's already expressed his admiration a million times.

So it is annoying but Stan handled it well.

I don't find it racist that Coco is compared to Serena or asked about the latter or about playing with her. Perhaps others can see something there I don't.

This young gen should leave outrage and implication of racism to instances that truly deserve it and not devalue real injustice.
Racist is clearly a stretch. But it is pretty inane, nonetheless. You are ___, I know someone else who is ___, let's make a comparison for a headline. Gauff is also coached by Serena's coach which would be a much more topical question, but I doubt they would do the research to know that.

It's the same thing in football where no matter playstyle a Portuguese star will be called 'the Next Ronaldo' or a small dribbling player will be the 'Bulgarian Messi'. Just lazy, and in some cases harmful (look at all the young players who haven't been able to deal with immense pressure heaped upon them)

seriously. the true definition of racism is putting down a race or implying a race is superior, but gen z'ers define racism as bringing up race at all
In this instance though, if it was asked in any other situation the others in the room would be rolling their eyes. I guess that's just the nature of journalism, it's not racist but questions like this use race in an obtuse way. Which is I think what the original tweet was getting at.
 

GhostOfNKDM

Hall of Fame
Handling stupid questions from journalists is one of the less demanding parts of being a celebrity athlete, I'd think... an opportunity for a witty answer or a sarcastic putdown. Or a simple "next question please"

Imagine being hounded by paparazzi, having someone stalk and try to break into your home, getting mobbed by people on the streets or having to disguise yourself just to get out and experience open air.

Now those are the things I'd believe if someone said were hurting their mental health.
 

GhostOfNKDM

Hall of Fame
Racist is clearly a stretch. But it is pretty inane, nonetheless. You are ___, I know someone else who is ___, let's make a comparison for a headline. Gauff is also coached by Serena's coach which would be a much more topical question, but I doubt they would do the research to know that.

It's the same thing in football where no matter playstyle a Portuguese star will be called 'the Next Ronaldo' or a small dribbling player will be the 'Bulgarian Messi'. Just lazy, and in some cases harmful (look at all the young players who haven't been able to deal with immense pressure heaped upon them)

In this instance though, if it was asked in any other situation the others in the room would be rolling their eyes. I guess that's just the nature of journalism, it's not racist but questions like this use race in an obtuse way. Which is I think what the original tweet was getting at.
See my post above.. I was alluding to the title of this thread and some comments in the twitter thread - about trying to justify Osaka's rambling rant.
 

Devtennis01

G.O.A.T.
Yeah, she could just say no comment or next question. But, still good for her for not doing it if she doesn't care to. That question was dumb and I am sure she gets that a lot.
 
T

TheNachoMan

Guest
Fed and Rafa have been answering the same boring questions for the past 15 years. Idk how they do it
 

Jason Swerve

Hall of Fame
There's nothing wrong with the question. If you can't answer this soft crap without boiling inside and facing a 'mental health crisis,' you never had a chance handling the game of tennis. A 100% mental game. The reporter stated a fact, and then added other facts behind it. Yes, Cori's compared to Serena because of all three of those qualities: she's black, she's talented, and she's American. She's not 'Serena-talented' yet to warrant these comparisons (and neither is Stephens, Keys, or Osaka), but that's beside the point.

Most of you posters aren't black. Quit smothering your phony outrage onto Cori. Let her feel how she wants to feel as a grown woman, and let her say her piece on the question later if it were ever that serious to her, which I assure you it wasn't.
 

Jason Swerve

Hall of Fame
I wonder who could possibly be making these comparisons of Gauff to the Williams sisters...



Even though I don't really support Osaka here, I must admit that tennis reporters, and the press in general, intentionally ask disingenuous and leading questions to get a response that doesn't accurately represent the athlete. And in some cases downright stupid, idiotic, and offensive questions (remember Federer going off about the 'weak era' question). It's a weird rarified air journalists get. Imagine in any other setting, someone asking Gauff 'yo isn't it crazy that you and Serena are both black, can I compare you two?' it would be offensive and in bad taste.
But this is a predominantly white sport where not being white makes you unique in comparison. If Osaka were white, she wouldn't be getting nearly the attention she got playing Serena in 2018, let alone now (her childish stunts aside).

So, Cori is 19. How many under 20-year-old black (not African American, but black in general) WTA athletes have there been in Top 30 throughout history? For whatsoever reason, there haven't been many. Whether we like it or not, that appeals to the general public who does want to see her as the next Serena, and be assured that Cori is thinking about Serena's achievements during her timeline, even if she says otherwise. Because she hasn't matched them. The media is the bridge between the public and the players. You can't blame them one iota for asking this type of question. If no one cared to begin with, they wouldn't have asked.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
The Press just wants some quotes about Serena or the Big3/2. Actually Coco and Iga were asked about Rafa:laughing:

Iga on Rafa:
Q. Many times you have said you're a big fan of Rafa Nadal. Have you ever talked to him about defending the trophy in Paris? Have you ever consulted with him about any tennis question?

IGA SWIATEK: No, not yet. Maybe we're gonna have a chance to do that later, but we just had like a quick small talk last year, and yesterday he said hi to me. For now I'm too overwhelmed to even say hi. So, you know, I'm a big fan of his, and if I'm gonna have a chance to, you know, ask him some stuff and also learn from him, it would be great, but we are both busy, so I know it's gonna be hard to schedule that.

But, yeah, we're gonna see.

Q. My question was actually about Rafa, as well. You're turning 20 on Monday, I believe. I think he celebrates his birthday during Roland Garros, as well. There was the coincidence of you guys saving match points in Rome and winning that title. Your fandom of him, have you ever thought about these things, about the kind of weird connections that you guys have or don't have?

IGA SWIATEK: Well, I thought about it, but I also think it's kind of weird. I don't know. I don't know what to say, because it's also some kind of superstition when you look at that stuff and try to compare each other.

But, yeah, I know it's weird (smiling).
It's RG. Of course they are being asked about Nadal over the other 3.
 

topher

Hall of Fame
Isn’t this person just pointing out that she gets compared to the Williams because she’s black? I mean this is true, is it not? They’re not endorsing it, just pointing it out.

The clumsiness is probably because their first language is not English.

People compare black women American players to the Williams sisters, not Brady so much for a reason. It’s stupid, because race shouldn’t define them, but also human nature. But the journalist is just pointing that out, not endorsing it.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
If you mention race around here, your post is banned as political, so the tennis press shouldn't transgress a clear boundary here that separates a game from its politics.

Isn’t this person just pointing out that she gets compared to the Williams because she’s black? I mean this is true, is it not? They’re not endorsing it, just pointing it out.

The clumsiness is probably because their first language is not English.

People compare black women American players to the Williams sisters, not Brady so much for a reason. It’s stupid, because race shouldn’t define them, but also human nature. But the journalist is just pointing that out, not endorsing it.
 

BumElbow

Rookie
No tennis players like being in the press room after a match to answer questions. But, it's part of the job. They have to promote the sport because if they don't do post match interviews then sportswriters will not cover tennis and it will get less press resulting in more free press promotion for other sports. Osaka strikes me as a narcissist who could care less about the state of tennis.
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
The malcontent Osaka posted this video this week when she announced her boycott. How is this video relevant to anything Osaka?

Daddy Richard Williams makes a fool of himserlf by rudely interrupting the ABC News reporter and getting in his face for asking a completely innocuous question.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you Richard.


 
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malbaker86

Hall of Fame
The malcontent Osaka posted this video this week when she announced her boycott. How is this video relevant to anything Osaka?

Daddy Richard Williams makes a fool of himserlf by rudely interrupting the ABC News reporter and getting in his face for asking a completely innocuous question.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you Richard.


Richard was well within in his right to speak on that
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
Richard was well within in his right to speak on that
Osaka posted that video as evidence of the media mentally abusing players.
The question was perfectly harmless.

John McKenzie is a well-respected ABC News medical reporter. Richard was way out of line.

“And this child gonna be out there playing when your old ass and me gonna be in the grave!"
:rolleyes:

John McKenzie is the former chief medical correspondent for ABC News.​
He has covered many of the controversies in medicine, from stem cell research to screening for breast and prostate cancer. His work has highlighted the spread of infectious diseases such as swine flu and SARS, the risks of clinical trials, and the misleading health claims of many food companies.​
 
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Clay lover

Hall of Fame
Racist is clearly a stretch. But it is pretty inane, nonetheless. You are ___, I know someone else who is ___, let's make a comparison for a headline. Gauff is also coached by Serena's coach which would be a much more topical question, but I doubt they would do the research to know that.

It's the same thing in football where no matter playstyle a Portuguese star will be called 'the Next Ronaldo' or a small dribbling player will be the 'Bulgarian Messi'. Just lazy, and in some cases harmful (look at all the young players who haven't been able to deal with immense pressure heaped upon them)



In this instance though, if it was asked in any other situation the others in the room would be rolling their eyes. I guess that's just the nature of journalism, it's not racist but questions like this use race in an obtuse way. Which is I think what the original tweet was getting at.
I guess overall generalisation and stereotypes offend people in the way that their similarities with their compatriots are over-emphasized or that they are bunched into a faceless mass with the same characteristics e.g. all Chinese look the same e.g. oh this guy of the same race is successful what do you think about your chances, which takes away their uniqueness which they want to be valued for.

Not outright racism I guess, but would say a little insensitive.
 

Kralingen

Hall of Fame
No tennis players like being in the press room after a match to answer questions. But, it's part of the job. They have to promote the sport because if they don't do post match interviews then sportswriters will not cover tennis and it will get less press resulting in more free press promotion for other sports. Osaka strikes me as a narcissist who could care less about the state of tennis.
I sadly fear stories like Osaka’s will be the norm rather than the exception. the atomization of our lives, the individualized feel of algorithmically decided interests coming from your browser, the focus on a personal brand on social media all serves to stroke the ego (and destabilize it) enough to create a cult of narcissism around individuals. Especially attractive, rich, or “famous” (read, popular on social media) people. The most common theme of quote I see girls my age post is “if you aren’t directly contributing to my happiness I don’t care about you” which leads to the bizarre practice of ghosting in relationships, revamping your image on the internet, and a tumultuously dramatic internal life solely based on the ego. And the best part is Lexapro, Zoloft, Wellbutrin get pushed, along with an endless supply of nails, hair, workout, meditation, skincare, clothes under the guise of owning your personal mental health. We have tech companies that will never turn a profit worth hundreds of billions due to their “disruptive” status. Being a contrarian, being an individual, pays.

Dating in your 20s in a big city can be weird, rewarding, but most of all enlightening and I have a lot of stories - the biggest one when I revealed I had never had Arugula and a girl immediately took her phone out and posted this to her Instagram story. What’s funny is nearly everyone I know has a similar or worse story about the influences of followers on a real life dating experience. Young people live in bubbles of convenience and generated interests, armed with the opinions and content of others to supplant and almost define their personality. I’ve seen dates in Manhattan that are simulacra of an actual date: two people physically sitting sharing a meal, while their influencer personas bounce off each other like opposite magnets, colliding only to produce an anecdote or content for their individual circle.

The best part is we can all fall back on being exploited or overworked, anxious as sh*t, and use mental health as a catch all excuse for personal development.
I don’t say this to hate on Osaka or Gauff or any pro player - they are amongst the most dedicated and talented young people we have, despite whatever press conference drama there may be. But as they say, you are the sum of your peers…
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The ABC reporter was milking it in the usual unctuous way that some of your reporters have, so I would have stopped the interview on aesthetic grounds.

As for Richard's objections, he is well known to have some issues so you'd improve your standing around here if you'd let your racial hobby horse out to pasture.

The malcontent Osaka posted this video this week when she announced her boycott. How is this video relevant to anything Osaka?

Daddy Richard Williams makes a fool of himserlf by rudely interrupting the ABC News reporter and getting in his face for asking a completely innocuous question.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you Richard.


 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Not even a black American, so you got all that wrong.

She’s black, American, female and a tennis player. Of course she will be compared to Williams sisters, the most famous black tennis players ever.

What’s the problem here? Osaka is a wet lettuce? We already knew that.
 

Rafa4LifeEver

Hall of Fame
Ask Wawrinka how many times he gets quizzed on his more famous compatriot... he got so vexed at one point, he'd say upfront not to ask him any more about Roger for whom he's already expressed his admiration a million times.

So it is annoying but Stan handled it well.

I don't find it racist that Coco is compared to Serena or asked about the latter or about playing with her. Perhaps others can see something there I don't.

This young gen should leave outrage and implication of racism to instances that truly deserve it and not devalue real injustice.
Yes, everything is given different view than what it has.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
It's become so unacceptable to make explicitly racist statements that people outside the dark web resort to euphemism, so just bringing up race is not necessarily as racism free as you suggest.

seriously. the true definition of racism is putting down a race or implying a race is superior, but gen z'ers define racism as bringing up race at all
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
The ABC reporter was milking it in the usual unctuous way that some of your reporters have, so I would have stopped the interview on aesthetic grounds.

As for Richard's objections, he is well known to have some issues so you'd improve your standing around here if you'd let your racial hobby horse out to pasture.
Don't know anything about Richard's "issues". Does he somehow get a pass from you for being obnoxious to the highly regarded ABC News chief medical correspondent?
Perhaps you can put down your race-baiting card for a moment and enlighten us all.
 
I partially agree with Naomi in this instance. I don't agree with Rafa or Ash Barty (and I am Australian!).

Post Match Press Conferences should be mandatory just for the Match Winners. And players attending those conferences have the right to decline answering questions they have already answered previously. For those questions ... the simple response of "I have answered that question previously, please to do your research properly" should suffice. All questions should relate solely to the Match that was just played. No questions of a personal nature or not related to the match itself in a Post Match Press Conference. (Those should be saved for specific Promotional Press Conferences)

Yes, it is a Professional Sport. But it involves Human Beings. If you take the Human competitors out of the equation, you no longer have the Professional Sport.
 
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