This shouldn't be as much of a problem as I'm making it.

Muppet

Legend
I have 2 Dunlop MuscleWeave 200G racquets that may finally take a back seat to my Biomimetic 200. I found that Kevlar/Black Force completes the BM200. But I still want the best string setups to use on the MWs. But to start, should I use the same strings for both MWs? I seem to have too many good choices to go with. I'm thinking:
Tour Bite Soft/Pro Stacked
Cyber Flash silver/synthetic gut
Cyber Flash red/Gold Spiral synthetic gut
Lynx/Gold Spiral synthetic gut
Alpha Gut 2000

The Alpha is probably going to fall off the list pretty quickly as I have reels of both Cyber Flashes. Same goes for Lynx and TBS, even though I love them. How important is nailing the same exact setup for your racquets, especially for the same model? I enjoy the hunt too much. Yes, they're my racquets, do what I want. But how much will I benefit from setting up my MWs identically?
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
@Muppet
on a small head 18/20 frame, I like FB multis now
I have 5x 93" wil.k.blade.tours 18/20, all with different mutlis, (reflex, sensastion, velovity, nxt, multifeel)
I use to play those rakets with syngut/poly, back in my younger days
the issue is your tolerance of poly vibration on a small head racquet!
 

Muppet

Legend
@Muppet
on a small head 18/20 frame, I like FB multis now
I have 5x 93" wil.k.blade.tours 18/20, all with different mutlis, (reflex, sensastion, velovity, nxt, multifeel)
I use to play those rakets with syngut/poly, back in my younger days
the issue is your tolerance of poly vibration on a small head racquet!
The vibes are part of what I like about Cyber Flash. With an elastic dampener, I get a very consistent low level of feedback through my Dunlop 200 series racquets. It feels like an extension of the feel from impact. That might not be the case, but my arm takes it that way. Thanks for the part about using different multis. I guess I can go with a variety of poly/multi+synth hybrids in my MWs. I've noticed that these racquets like poly/nylon much more than nylon/poly. It's a de-polarized frame and I think a stiff cross string disagrees with it. Full bed poly is alright too, when I get the tension differential right. But if poly/nylon and full nylon are what work best, I should just forget about the others.

What's haunting me is a hybrid of Tour Bite Soft 1.20/Bab M7 1.25 that I had in one of my MWs. It was perfect in every way except that the M7 didn't allow the TBS to snap back. So I've been searching for a cheaper, slicker replacement for M7. But if it's slicker it will also be more muted. I'm hoping that Pro Stacked will satisfy that need. I had Kirsch SG lined up, but you can't get that anymore. Maybe I'll fold and get another reel of Gutex Ultra. It's slicker than M7 and a little more dead, but otherwise similar.
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
It was perfect in every way except that the M7 didn't allow the TBS to snap back. So I've been searching for a cheaper, slicker replacement for M7. But if it's slicker it will also be more muted.
this suggestion is out of "left field",, kindaa, proceed at your own risk, haaa
I also was on the look out for a slick cost effective version of gamma.glyde
I ended up looking and getting some saltwater fishing line leader (clear, 1.30mm), its soft like a synthetic, with a dead muted feel
while it worked at first, it suffers the same issue as most synthetics, slick or otherwise
once the outer slick coating wears out, then it starts to get stuck out of place
gamma.glyde stays slick for a long time
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
If it were me I’d put the MVs in the closet and play with the BM200s. I can force myself to sell old rackets. I might change my mind in a couple of years.
 
gold spiral is a pros.pro synthetic gut version string, it has a gold spiral thread like PSGD
it just adds to the feel of the string, making it a bit crisper than their standard synthetic
Eeeeek. I thought as much. I have a reel of that and I find it awful to string. Maybe I got a dud reel but if I try string it above 25kg /55lbs then it nearly always snaps no matter how slow I string. Never snap anything else so can't imagine it's something I do wrong.

Even once I have managed to get it strung I have had it snap in my bag without hitting a ball. Mains snap around 5th string laterally on different frames and even had them snap while tensioning the last cross. Had crosses snap too.

I reserve this string for low tension crosses only and have even resorted to using it in my weed strimmer to use it up.
 

Ultra 2

Professional
I ended up looking and getting some saltwater fishing line leader (clear, 1.30mm), its soft like a synthetic, with a dead muted feel
while it worked at first, it suffers the same issue as most synthetics,
Interesting.. which leader did you use? Must have been 100+ lb test fishing line, no?
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
@princemidplus I know that problem, ive had that issue with a pros.pro.multi (a client brought in for me to string up),,
a personal issue ive had with them is on a synthetic.4x or something??!! reel, blue/silver spiral string, I don't know if the blue coating was added afterwards, but the blue color comes off when you touch it, it gets on my hands and tools,, I wrote the company and they acknowledged the issue but nothing else,, so now I have to clean the length of string as much as possible before I use it, and even then the color gets on everything it touches, PITA!!
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
Interesting.. which leader did you use? Must have been 100+ lb test fishing line, no?
yeah, I tried a couple, one was 200lb test, and it was tooo thick, 1.50mm, almost did not fit through the grommet holes
I then tried 120lb test, 1.30mm, that was the good size I needed
I forgot what material its made off, but its clear and it worked as a experiment!!; the small length I bought, about 200' was more than enough
here is a picture of it, its a hybrid setup, Dunlop.ice(poly.mains)/fishing string(mono.cross)
http://instagr.am/p/BxEEqXJgWXT/
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
gold spiral is a pros.pro synthetic gut version string, it has a gold spiral thread like PSGD
it just adds to the feel of the string, making it a bit crisper than their standard synthetic
I have a few of the 'Gold Spiral' strings from Pro's Pro. Completely different than what you see on Prince and Gamma. The 'Gold Spiral' is like a piece of foil on the outside of the strings and can come off even as you're stringing it. The Kevlar Ribbon in Prince and Gamma are bonded into the string.
 

Ultra 2

Professional
yeah, I tried a couple, one was 200lb test, and it was tooo thick, 1.50mm, almost did not fit through the grommet holes
I then tried 120lb test, 1.30mm, that was the good size I needed
I forgot what material its made off, but its clear and it worked as a experiment!!; the small length I bought, about 200' was more than enough
here is a picture of it, its a hybrid setup, Dunlop.ice(poly.mains)/fishing string(mono.cross)
http://instagr.am/p/BxEEqXJgWXT/
Very cool! Fishing line is typically made of extruded Nylon monofilament, which means that it is very close to the Nylon core you find in most syn guts. Since it doesn’t have the wound outer layer, it would have massive rebound energy (very stretchy) even more so than TF biphase. Did the ball have massive launch angle with that setup?

Always interested in people experimenting for science!
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
@princemidplus I know that problem, ive had that issue with a pros.pro.multi (a client brought in for me to string up),,
a personal issue ive had with them is on a synthetic.4x or something??!! reel, blue/silver spiral string, I don't know if the blue coating was added afterwards, but the blue color comes off when you touch it, it gets on my hands and tools,, I wrote the company and they acknowledged the issue but nothing else,, so now I have to clean the length of string as much as possible before I use it, and even then the color gets on everything it touches, PITA!!
Sounds like Pro's Pro Hybrid N9
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
@Ultra 2
yeah, def. felt powerfull and dull at the same time
it was a fun string to mess around with, I showed it off to people I played with, everyone was intrigued by it
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
Sounds like Pro's Pro Hybrid N9
I just looked at it, its the pp.x8 (blue/gold.spiral)
funny thing is, I bought the red/gold, black.gold, and only this blue one had the issue
I like the feel of the string, its a bit crisper, like psgd and gamma/wg
 
I have a few of the 'Gold Spiral' strings from Pro's Pro. Completely different than what you see on Prince and Gamma. The 'Gold Spiral' is like a piece of foil on the outside of the strings and can come off even as you're stringing it. The Kevlar Ribbon in Prince and Gamma are bonded into the string.
I agree. The spiral on the pp gold spiral I had looked like it was stuck on the outside of the string rather than inside as a part of it
 

Muppet

Legend
If it were me I’d put the MVs in the closet and play with the BM200s. I can force myself to sell old rackets. I might change my mind in a couple of years.
What I like about the MWs over the BM is the graphite braid construction. I get the feel from the whole frame, whereas with the BM the handle and throat seem to just transmit what is happening at the hoop. It's sort of a disconnect. Not dampened, but a void of anything happening through the lower half of the racquet. I like the MWs a lot, but they're slightly less comfortable than the BM. So I string them a lb. lower.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
I agree. The spiral on the pp gold spiral I had looked like it was stuck on the outside of the string rather than inside as a part of it
I took another look at some of the gold spiral string. Some of it is like you say but other string seem to have a protective layer over the sprrals.
 
I took another look at some of the gold spiral string. Some of it is like you say but other string seem to have a protective layer over the sprrals.
Will have another look at mine. I got two reels, and the one is definitely prone to breaking very easily. Will have a good look and see if there is a difference between the two reels I got. I bought them at the same time so I presumed they would have been from the same batch so to speak and thus the same
 

badmice2

Semi-Pro
How important is nailing the same exact setup for your racquets, especially for the same model?
I dont think the racket is anywhere remotely the same. You might not find a setup where you can replicate from BM onto the MW, especially if you're on the original MW from back in the hay days (rather than the TW release). In my playing time between the MW, Hotmelt, and Aerogel, I tend to find slightly stiffer string playing well with the flexy MW frame.
 

Muppet

Legend
I dont think the racket is anywhere remotely the same. You might not find a setup where you can replicate from BM onto the MW, especially if you're on the original MW from back in the hay days (rather than the TW release). In my playing time between the MW, Hotmelt, and Aerogel, I tend to find slightly stiffer string playing well with the flexy MW frame.
I have an original issue MW, a re-issue MW that I added a gram at the yoke, an Aerogel, and a Biomimetic, all 200s. I've tried adding weight to the center of the Biomimetic to make it feel more like the MW, but instead I ended up adding balanced amounts throughout. I'm mostly wondering how important it is to give my 2 MWs the same strings and if not, will using Tour Bite Soft/Pro Stacked in one and Cyber Flash red/Gold Spiral in the other hold me back? Perhaps even Lynx/Gold Spiral or even Black Force/Gold Spiral? I hope this Gold Spiral string will be durable enough for the crosses. It's looking like my future cross string for most of my racquets.
 

itsstephenyo

Semi-Pro
How long have you used Cyberflash? It's my all time favorite string, but I'd read a few new-ish reviews that said Topspin changed its formula and it's different than the old Cyberflash stuff. Do you feel the same way?
 

Muppet

Legend
@Muppet - I'm detecting a very concerning pattern here...
I think the main problem is that I can tell the difference and I've got a stringer. Otherwise, I would be bringing my racquets (probably only 2) to someone else and take a recommendation for the strings. Then settle on something much more quickly as I'd have less patience due to lack of control of the situation. Wait, is this a control issue? Damn! This is way better than proper therapy.
 

Muppet

Legend
How long have you used Cyberflash? It's my all time favorite string, but I'd read a few new-ish reviews that said Topspin changed its formula and it's different than the old Cyberflash stuff. Do you feel the same way?
I started using Cyber Flash in about 2011. It's been consistent, but it changed a couple of times before then. I like a couple of things about it. On touch shots it is supple and on hard shots it firms up. One of the string's layers functions like a chinese finger torture. Lengthening the string tightens it. The other thing is the feedback. It is very consistent and can be regulated with your dampener. It gives me the feeling that the racquet has more feel and is providing me with more information. Maybe not, but it seems that way so that's good. The red version has the same friendly feedback.
 

badmice2

Semi-Pro
make it feel more like the MW
Feel as in the ball off the string? or feel on the overall response? I think that's the point I'm trying to make; you can't replicate the overall response from the MW. The racket plays like silk, whereas anything else after plays stiffer through the hoop of the frame. you can adjust the string tension to offset the stiffness, but dont think you can replicate the feel.
 

Muppet

Legend
Feel as in the ball off the string? or feel on the overall response? I think that's the point I'm trying to make; you can't replicate the overall response from the MW. The racket plays like silk, whereas anything else after plays stiffer through the hoop of the frame. you can adjust the string tension to offset the stiffness, but dont think you can replicate the feel.
Mostly I'm talking about the distribution of the mass, polarization, and feel of the stroke. I can adjust the feeling at impact and plowthru somewhat with string and tension selection. I'm a big thinker and tinkerer, so I can get it right more often than not. But for the Aerogel and the Biomimetic, they are just too much more polarized than the MWs. Especially the Aerogel. So much so that I've gone to using full poly or synth/poly on the polarized racquets and full nylon or poly/nylon on the de-polarized MWs.

I actually took a rough measurement of the distribution of mass to show how different my racquets are regarding polarity. I set up my scale with a thin book on top and zeroed the scale. I put a thicker book to the side to support the butt. Then I positioned the books and racquets one at a time so that the racquet's bridge rested on the binding of the thinner book on top of the scale. The MWs were 1g apart from each other. The Biomimetic was about 12g below those and the Aerogel was very polarized at about 22g below the MWs. As for actual units of measurement, I'm sure I'm breaking some rules here. But the numbers show the difference between degrees of polarization. All 4 racquets were matched for static weight and balance.
 
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Shroud

G.O.A.T.
I have 2 Dunlop MuscleWeave 200G racquets that may finally take a back seat to my Biomimetic 200. I found that Kevlar/Black Force completes the BM200. But I still want the best string setups to use on the MWs. But to start, should I use the same strings for both MWs? I seem to have too many good choices to go with. I'm thinking:
Tour Bite Soft/Pro Stacked
Cyber Flash silver/synthetic gut
Cyber Flash red/Gold Spiral synthetic gut
Lynx/Gold Spiral synthetic gut
Alpha Gut 2000

The Alpha is probably going to fall off the list pretty quickly as I have reels of both Cyber Flashes. Same goes for Lynx and TBS, even though I love them. How important is nailing the same exact setup for your racquets, especially for the same model? I enjoy the hunt too much. Yes, they're my racquets, do what I want. But how much will I benefit from setting up my MWs identically?
You need to pick a lane. If you want to mess with strings and setups then keep at it. If you want to get better at tennis pick a stick and string setup and play.
 

Muppet

Legend
You need to pick a lane. If you want to mess with strings and setups then keep at it. If you want to get better at tennis pick a stick and string setup and play.
That's straight shootin' thanks. I'm going to mess with strings this time of year and commit to a setup from April to September.
 
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