Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Achilles82, Mar 3, 2013.
Yes you are right
It's hardly surprising. For the longest time Fedal were dominating so the fans split themselves between those two, these people aren't going to suddenly switch loyalties to a player who basically came out of nowhere to break up their dominance (always a top player of course but he wasn't well known because he wasn't really winning the well known events).
However, despite all this he's got a growing fanbase and on Facebook, although he only has about a quarter of Federer's or Nadal's fans, if you notice when he posts, the proportion of ACTIVE people who actually like or comment Novak's posts is probably greater than the proportion of fans that like Nadal's. It's easy to like pages on FB, I bet lots of Novak fans like Nadal and Federer's pages but the active fans show more loyalty so in that aspect he's not doing so bad!
What do you mean by active? If he were getting so many likes he would have more fans on there. He doesn't, and will never get to Fed or Nadal numbers. He's not likeable enough and that's all there is to it.
I mean look at the number of likes he gets when he posts something, he gets the same amount of likes as Nadal when Nadal posts something. So what I'm saying is that even though he doesn't have as many PAGE likes on Facebook as Nadal and Federer, the amount of people who actually CARE about what he's posting and bother to like and comment on his actual POSTS and his cover photo etc is pretty competitive with the amount of likes Nadal gets even though Nadal has about 4 times as many PAGE likes.
Yeah he probably won't because tennis fans were/are already invested in two of the greatest players who are part of one of the greatest rivalries ever, so that doesn't leave much room for Novak to have fans and so considering that I think it's impressive that he even has a reasonable number. And it's your opinion that he's not likeable enough, many people may share the same opinion as you but I think it's totally unfair for you to put down Novak not having a huge number of fans SOLELY down to that. There are many many likeable things about him and in my experience a lot of other fanbases actually envy Novak's treatment of his fans. Each to their own though. To me quality > quantity anyway!
Djokovic's issues - if you could even call them that - are not how he is or acts now, rather the first impressions he made on people over the years before he peaked. He didn't endear himself to many people nor, more importantly, relative to Federer and Nadal. Federer was lucky to have gone through his formative years before the widespread-use of social media. In many ways he went from nothing to suddenly winning almost everything and having pretty much every legend of the game saying or implying he was the greatest talent of all time.
In recent years, Fed has walked the line between confidence and arrogance, but Novak has been highly narcissistic even from an early age. The two aren't really comparable.
Having said that, I'll take Novak's narcissism over Nadal's fake over the top humble demeanour any day.
Narcissistic in what way???
Had you known something about narcissism you'd know that there is no such a thing as an early age narcissism. It is a normal condition at that level of personality development.
Mostly his early interviews. I remember him getting mauled by Nadal at the FO in 2006 or 2007 and then he said that he felt he controlled the match and should've won and everyone just laughed at him. That's textbook narcissm. He toned it down because now that he's #1 and in the spotlight he has to represent himself better.
You aren't sigmund freud so don't act like it. That developmental process you're referring to concludes around age 11, when the super-ego or conscience supposedly develops. Moreover, "early age" is a relative term and by that I was merely referring to the early stage of his professional career, around the age of 20. So please shut up.
Yeah that was an incredibly stupid thing to say, he probably regrets it too, but is it really that big of a deal? It's just one example of a silly thing he did in his youth. He comes across very well with the media now definitely and that's important because surely its better you learn from your earlier mistakes and get out all your stupid comments early in your career as opposed to later in your career when you're already an established sports star. That's one of the things that made me a fan, just how he has evolved as a tennis player and as a person. Not to mention some people actually are a fan of that kind of fearless behaviour :twisted:
I doubt he regrets saying that. I also believe he's arrogant and narcissistic. It's highly evident in his behavior and his comments. He also comes across as phony and insincere. I don't buy a thing that guy is selling and never have.
His family is also the same way, and run their mouths as well. I would ban those fools from attending my matches or doing interviews about me. They are all imbeciles, and certainly do not help Cvac in the likeability department whatsoever.
If shutting up a poster in an internet forum would help your ignorance I will, but please refrain yourself from posting about things you know **** about!
Textbook narcissism my arse...
You can believe whatever you want, it's not going to make it a fact. You're not objective about him and I don't say that because of all the rude and horrible things you say about Novak ALL the time, its because you can't even show the most BASIC respect by referring to him by his actual name. Once you show some signs that you can actually be even slightly objective then I can take your opinions seriously.
His family is not him. His brothers first of all are young and have shown no signs of this "imbecile" behaviour you speak of. His parents have definitely in the past mouthed of but that makes the fact that Novak broke away from that kind of potential upbringing ALL the more impressive. Are all children a reflection of their parents???
LOL!!! Gotta love ol' Novak D!!!! Also, I'm kind of a nerd myself, so I can respect guys like him.
I know, and I will.
Give me a break. I don't like him, but I think I am pretty mild about it. I don't troll his match threads and I don't wish bodily injury or death on him the way some folks on here do about Nadal. Look at all the mean, nasty, and horrible things said about Nadal on here every single day. Cvac has it easy compared to him.
No sense of humor. My nicknames are all in good fun. Lighten up.
Well, he obviously approves of their behavior since he has done nothing to try and stop any of it. And his brothers are big mouthed idiots as well. Or have you forgotten the stupid crap they have posted on Twitter about Fed and Nadal? Seems as if you have a very short memory when it comes to your favorite player and his trashy family.
How has be broken away from that type of upbringing when he behaves the same way himself? He's phony, and every once in a while the facade slips and who he is is right there for all to see. He plays the media and the fans in an attempt at being liked. He's desperate for attention, and will do anything to get it. He could not be any more fake if he tried.
well done bro
actually novak had severe argues with his father many times during his career. they stopped talking to each other for some time a couple of years ago and he moved all his finances to his uncle
Then he should ban him and his wicked witch mother from his matches. He should also ban then from giving interviews about him. He can't continue to talk out of both sides of his mouth.
i agree. Srdjan Djokovic is classic jerk.
Novak's mother is ok. and she is always quiet in media.
Srdjan is problem, but they had so many fights in these years so I think Novak just gave up. he can't lose his energy for that crap all the time
Tony Nadal is jerk also.
LOL mild about your dislike for him? I don't think you know what the word mild means. You insult him and especially his looks at every possible opportunity you can, you're in there in every thread made about him. And so what if Nadal gets lots of hate? Does that make your hate, even if it is in comparison "mild" justified? That's just stupid, how can you say something isn't so bad if other people are doing much worse. Imagine the world lived on that logic...
And your nicknames would be funny if you used them once in a while, can you imagine if I went into every Nadal thread calling him "Butt-picker". It would get old VERY quickly. It's just ironic that you can call out on someone being unlikeable when no offence but you don't exactly come across as likeable.
What do you mean? That was so long in the past, when have they ever demonstrated any of that behaviour recently? They haven't and that might actually be down to Nole telling them to calm down! You can't possibly know if he's tried to do something about it. As for Djorde and Marko, I have never seen any evidence of them disrespecting anyone, could you please provide some evidence?
How does he behave the same way? Has he ever shown any disrespect to ANY players recently? Or even ever?
As for him "playing the fans", he's putting a hell of a lot of attention into that for someone who's playing. Out of all the players he's definitely the best at interacting with fans, following them on twitter, doing love streams etc. That kind of behaviour means everything for us and he doesn't have to do any of it, but he goes out of his WAY to be good to his fans. You can think it's fake but atleast he makes an effort which I don't really see being made by most other players. Personally I think Nadals whole "humble" act is both getting old and feels incredibly fake. Calling Federer the favourite every time (which is GENIUNELY patronising because Federer can do **** all against Nadal especially in slams). Saying Nalbandian is the favourite (serious LOL). All of THAT behaviour seems fake to me. But then again you do the same don't you? Saying Nadal will lose everything he ever plays, that he's done, that he'll never beat "Djesus" again. Clearly you learned from your idol.
What if he did do that? You STILL wouldn't give him credit. They're his fricking parents, he can't outright tell them not to come to his matches, what kind of a person would that make him? Especially after all their support (however outrageous it was). Why should he ban them from interviews though? They've done nothing recently to warrant that.
You have a very selective memory when it comes to your fav. Please refer to what both of his big mouthed parents said during the rain delay at RG last year.
And lots of players have banned family from attending matches if they were disruptive. There is nothing stopping Cvac from doing the same.
Now I will preface this by saying that I don't mind Novak, and I think he's at least become a little classier than his mother in recent years, but I wouldn't say his mother is quiet in the media. At least not compared to most mothers who say nothing at all.
Remember, she was the one who said that Novak would beat Fed the next time he played him after he lost to him at the USO in 2007, which came true at the AO in 2008, but then after Novak's win she proclaimed "The King is dead!" Not exactly the classiest thing to say IMO, but take it as you will.
There is nothing wrong with Novak or Novak's popularity. Recently, the pressure from the crowd broke a fence while he was signing autographs. That's how popular he is. He has a great game and a great personality. Everyone can see that apart from a few bitter trolls.
I think he's unattractive. Sorry, but I do. And he has also said some disparaging things about Nadal's looks so I think he can handle some about his own.
I am not in every thread made about him. You're making crap up.
I wouldn't care. Nadal is constantly called names and belittled on this forum. He is also called much worse than anything I have ever called your hero.
Wow. Your very selective memory about your fav and his trashy family astounds me. How about before you go off defending them, you actually have a clue as to what's going on first?
Lol!! He has shown disrespect to multiple players many times. I guess you've forgotten his comments about Nadal and Roddick. He has made many snide remarks about other players. I take it you're a new fan and only started following him in 2011. No way you could go back any further than that considering you seem to know nothing about him.
He's attention starved. He will do anything to get people to like him. Even making fun of other players isn't off limits for him.
No, I am realistic. Nadal is done, and there's nothing more to it.
And if you think his "humble" act is fake I suggest you watch him cry like a baby after beating Ferrer the other day. Why would he do that if he was faking everything? I mean, shouldn't he be doing his best King Kong impersonation while tearing off his clothes on court? That's what truly humble guys do all the time don't they?
I agree. I don't recall Federer/Nadal being larger-than-life icons in 2006-2007.
It's funny to see people point out the amount of FB followers Djokovic has in comparison to his rivals. Now that is funny. I had a facebook account back in 2006-2007 and there was nothing more than a dozen fangroups for Federer and Nadal on facebook with 3000-5000 members. In comparison, NFL, NBA, and football icons still had fangroups with millions of users.
The largest gains in popularity definitely happened in 2008-2009 when Nadal and Federer played huge matches against each other. Then they were both doing corny public appearances together...like that PR event with Don King, getting together at the start of every year until 2011 at Doha to discuss their "friendship and rivalry",and just selling their "friendly rivalry" story for all its worth.
It's a shame that Rafa left competition. I think their rivalry was generating a lot of attention and finally getting good; Nadal got the best possible revenge on Djokovic last year during the CC season.
There is something about Novak thats why he isnt a huge star. What ever he does or doesnt ı dont care. Hate is a very strong feeling,love as well.I can see myself rooting against Fed all time and get excited about it.(that shows ı care about him ) I dont need to mention Nadal,because ı am fan of course ı got excited about him. Novak you know if he go on to win 2 calendar slams back to back break all the records I DONT CARE. I know that ı am not the only one who thinks and feels like that as well.Thats why he will never be a huge star even with the amazing results. You either hate star people or love them if you dont feel anything about someone thats the worst for that person who tries to be popular.That means that person not catching your attention.
And it's fake because...
Has he?, I don't remember.
Yes he has. He has made some smart-*** comments about Nadal's body type before. Too bad Cvac is nowhere near as good looking as Nadal is. Did you see him during his exo tonight? He looked fantastic.
Do you mean his comments about him being better looking because he's Latino?.
I half saw him, my mind was somewhere else. He did look fantastic, naturally
No, he pretty much said he doesn't like Nadal's body type. I think it's just the jealousy talking. Afterall, we don't see Armani offering Cvac any contracts now do we? Lol.
You keep making claims about "x did this" "y did that". It's NOT selective memory if I've never seen any evidence of this stuff in the first place. PROVIDE the evidence and then we can have an actual conversation about it, because if you can't it's just made up stuff in your mind.
The only marginally negative comments I can think of is him saying he was in control of the match against Nadal on clay, and that was him just making a stupid comment as a youngster on the scene. After that ALL he has had is positive words for Nadal, calling him the GOAT and stuff. Nadal has also been very respectful of Novak every time he lost to him, but his body language completely changed during his 2011 losses as demonstrated by ACTUAL evidence:
Colder handshakes, not hugging Novak when Novak was winning slams etc. And you know what, I actually understand that, that's his true emotions coming out. He's disappointed, he probably felt a bit helpless for a while it's human emotion. And I still respect him despite that. That's YOUR hero. Mine went and hugged Nadal when he won his 7th RG (even though Nadal never hugged Novak when Novak won his 3 slams against him). He went and hugged Andy when he won his first slam against him. He tried to be civil with Federer and only got disrespect in turn. As for Andy Roddick, Roddick was the one being disrespectful about him in a public event and Novak who had no issues with him before this (and they sorted out their issues straight after too) was thrown off and responded, he never initiated anything. Maybe he could've just stayed quiet, that would have been the better thing to do but NOBODY is perfect and always acts perfectly. You have a very selective criteria of what makes a person bad.
Making fun of people? You have got to be kidding lol. If any players had an objection and actually raised their objections then Novak would have DEFINITELY stopped. He was asked in an interview if people had objections and he said he wasn't aware of any. But frankly I think it shows how much Novak actually observed their tennis to be able to imitate their tennis. Isn't imitation the sincerest form of flattery? Not if your name is Novak Djokovic I guess.
I don't actually think Nadal is fake at all, in fact Nadal is actually my third favourite player but I was giving you an example of how you can find faults in anyone and claim someone is being fake just because you hate them. As for "King Kong" impressions, it's his moment of his hard work paying off. Who are YOU to judge his celebrations after a difficult match which at times could've lead to him losing. It's not like he's running off taking his shirt off after every win is he? What he SAYS about his opponents after a win is so respectful and that's what matters the most.
Look it up for yourself. I am not going to go digging through Google to find it for you.
Selective memory at work again.
What a load. Nadal has said he doesn't like Cvac's impersonation of him in the past. He also said he didn't think it was funny. Doesn't stop your hero from continuing to make fun of him though does it?
When did you start being a fan of Cvac? I would bet money that it is fairly recent.
You mean he is too ugly to be popular ?
I did look it up and genuinely can't find him saying anything rude about Nadal ever. On the other hand when I googled "Djokovic rude about Nadal" I found this:
His actual quote is "it's funny, no?". He sounds so bitter it's unreal. Novak has NEVER sounded bitter about any of his opponents. It's his best quality to be honest. But then OF COURSE that's him being fake. Everything nice Novak does is fake, everything kind of outrageous he does (which he has every right to do) is him being disrespectful.
I first became a fan of Novak in 2007 when he won Montreal but I never followed him outside of his career, and took a break from tennis and started rewatching from Wimbledon 2009. What is your point though? That recently Novak has given you no complaints? That he behaves well now? Because surely that's a good thing
Love No1e said " Isn't imitation the sincerest form of flattery? "
No it isn't it's getting your laughs at the expense of someone else. This is only my opinion, but I don't think Djokovic is attractive to look at, neither does he have an attractive personality. He is an attention seeker. His stunts are just that, planned and rehearsed, hammed up productions, to garner popularity and support. He doesn't have one ounce of spontaneity or charisma. As you can probably gather I really don't care for Djokovic, but I will concede that he can hit a tennis ball with the regularity of a metronome.
Novak's only problem in the next few years will be remaining health, incorporating maybe some more attack into his game so we won't have to continue to exert himself to the same degree because his style doesn't lend itself well to long term longevity.
And.. Staying motivated. If he can do all these things, I see no reason why the field shouldn't his for the next 3-4 years anyways. Murray will be his main competition but he can't hang with a motivated Nole on any surface other then maybe grass bottom line. These younger players can't make a dent at any big tournaments and I don't see that changing in the foreseeable future. And Ferrer, Berdych and Tsonga sure as hell can't do anything to Nole.
The only guy that CAN is Nadal. But who knows how much longer he will be at a high level or even stay around for that matter. I give Nadal maybe 2 more years at the most on tour. Nole's winning tennis should last much longer then that however
Getting laughs at the expense of someone else? Why are you taking it so seriously?? I highly doubt the other players care enough to take offence. Not to mention he doesn't even do it anymore. I don't get why all his faults being pointed out are old examples of things that he doesn't do any more.
As for the rest of your post that's your opinion and that's completely fair enough. I don't care for the personality of some other players, each to their own
I hope someone makes fun of the way you do certain things, or the way you talk or look just to have a cheap laugh at your expense. I think you experiencing bullying behavior like that is the only way you're ever going to get why his lousy impersonations are just sad and pathetic ways to get attention for himself. He has to do something to get noticed considering he has the charisma and personality of a dial tone.
Novak's problem is he looks like Screech
Same goofy face.
That's a big part of it, but I think even that could be overlooked if there was anything beneath the surface that was the least bit attractive.
I haven't seen those comments by Novak either tbh.
About what Nadal said there, well, I have to say it was pretty odd the way Novak was looking like he couldn't go on early on in matches and then didn't have a problem to play 5 hours...
Novak didn't seem upset at the comments... maybe they talked about it, maybe he likes Rafa too much to be upset, maybe he was faking so wasn't mad, maybe he wasn't faking but understood it looked like it?. Who knows.
As for Novak's personality, I have sometimes liked him and sometimes not, and I'm not really sure what to think of him. He does seem to have a kind of forward personality that I tend not to like much, and maybe other people feel the same. He also seems to have a short temper, which I don't like. And people around him seem quite unpleasant, mom, dad, brother, Tipsarevic. That does have its effect on how Novak is perceived, whether that's fair or not.
lol @some trolls making stupid remarks about Djokovic's personality
as for Djokovic himself, he possesses one of the most appalling persona on tour
at the same time he's the best tennis player in the world, always gracious in defeat and supportive in victory
Well, he's a much bigger star than Kafelnikov ever was.
lol @some Cvac fans who think that the only people who don't like their hero are trolls. Has it ever occurred to you that some people just don't like him?
About time you got something right. Lol.
That's certainly not saying much.
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