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First of all ı know it is not neccesserary at all to post and introduce myself here and I'm sorry about that if this annoys you and it will probably be long. So you don't need to look or reply. Anyway it will be my first post on this forum I have been following the forum for last few months and ı decided to join. I started to watch tennis in 2012(when ı saw on TV). Since then ı am watching, enjoying and following this beautiful sport. So probably all of you guys knows more than me about tennis. I'm supporting Rafa. He is my fav player I admire his play and his attitude, his fighting sprite on the court ı also like his interviews these are one of the few reasons why ı am a rafa fan.Later on I watched some matches earlier than 2010 classics usually but ı didn't watch any live tennis matches earlier than 2012. I wanted to talk about Big 3 and their achievements. To me there is no Goat. I think there should not be a goat atleast in this case.Because their achievements are close. But ı understand the people are discussing and making cases for their player and its fun actually
. I used to call Roger the goat because of the slam difference between him and the other players like Nadal Sampras Djokovic back then 2013 I'm also not fan of comparing the players from different era's. but ı like the compare their achievements. I can say ı know all the good players and also their play since 2010. I also know legends and their play. Even though ı know as a name and just watched their (only few matches against nadal)some matches like the good players (Roddick hewitt davydenko) (when fed's peak years.)But in general ı dont want to compare to the players if ı don't watch their matches.
Now ı wanted to talk about Bıg 3 Novak first About Novak first years when ı watch later on the 2011 matches when he dominate the field specially against nadal in the finals including clay masters. But since 2012 to 2016 ı was getting frustrated about the Bo3 HC matches u Djokovic was winning usually without losing a set against Nadal and these are reasons and some his behaviour on the court was why ı didn't like him firstly. But specially he was winning the matches a lot. Obviously its a normal because he is better player in HC's. But even though ı dont like him ı respect him. But we all know that Rafa was playing much better in the grandslams matches was much more close. So but in the end for last few years and ı respect him more actually ı was always respect him but difference is ı dont hate him at all (even though ı m very upset about the 2018 WB
) Novak has a lot of great achiements like YE1 going for breaking federer's MWN1 their boths numbers are incredible. For me one of the most impressive and amazing one this is just my opinion he has 2 title from every master To me this is just amazing. That shows how he is complete all around player. Dont get me wrong this doesn't makes others not obviously they are all around players too this just makes him bigger. And ı wanted to give one more credit to him that WB 2019 maybe he should have played better and win more comfortably but crowd was so annoying roger was playing well in his old age was playing some great tennis ıdk ı probably didn't support anyone or no ı support roger probably but the crowd was so annoying ı also wanted djoko to win ı know it is not roger's fault that he have more fans. They were just disrespectfull to one of the great champions .
About federer ı probably should'nt say much because ı didn't watch or follow the years when he crush everyone except nadal on clay from (2004-2007) and other peaking years too. I know somebody talks about weak era's ı could talk this too but in the end he was dominating the years ı actually can't say because of weak era because like ı said ı just didn't watched those years but he was going 3/4 slam year after year But ı saw one thing in 2017 ıdk the reason maybe about his racquet maybe about his coach change he was unbelievable,amazing specially in IW Against nadal ı thought Fed was just unplayable his backhand was on fire (down the line backhands)even this shot in the end Mp it was just sick. I was trusting Nadal's h2h and believe he could win even if HC or not because he showed so much against Fed. I know Fed's forehand was awesome one of the best shots in his peak years. And ı know 2017 is obviously was not his best year. I always thought if he is capable of doing this he should do this in after 2012 to 2016 you could also say even maybe 2010 but he was great at 2010 and 2011 too was just not the best player. What ı am trying to say is he should have win more Grandslams in those years. I know firstly Nadal and djokovic was so good in those years and in 2017 Novak was not playing great. I also amazed how he played in 2019 WB even though he lost was also sorry for him. Probably ı didn't dislike or hate him anytime because one important reason is nadal has a great h2h but also what federer turned it into more closer overall score after 2017 was also very good achievement from him. He has also a lot of great records his longevity is great he is still very competitive ı mean he was atleast. He has also amazing records Winning more than 1200 matches playing consecutive semi finals WB records 5 plus AO WB USO and also most 6 Atp finale title you all know that ı don't want to repeat.
About Nadal firstly ı just want to say maybe this is another thread we can discuss like almost every other rafan thing he is just NOT the only clay player or only claydal or whatever if you call him. I dont want to talk a lot about this because ı m tired and dont worry ı wont make any longer posts like this probably ever because ı just wanted to talk about my thoughts on tennis in my first post. One of the reasons is he has 7 GS in the era between 2 best players even if they are not exist in this time it is still great number A lot of "legends" have 7-8 or 6 grand slams. Everybody knows he is better on clay and his achievements are much better on clay but nobody is perfect. İf he can play in the other surfaces like he did on clay he should have more than 25 slam close to 30. Roger is not good on clay like he is on Grass and Hard but he is still very good on clay when he was the best player. He played a lot of finals. Also same for Novak. Although novak has a lot clay masters too. But we could say underachiever with both of them 1 RG. and ı dont agree with the someone who says your GS should not seperate with much difference in the end Nadal has 20 GS for now 13 RG and 7 for others but that doesn't make him less greater this 13 RG just make him bigger player like in Novak's case. His biggest record by far the 13 RG to me these BIG 3 has a lot of incredible record. Nadal's 13 RG and 100-2 to me one of the best records in sport history. He has also other records like 81 matches clay streak and consecutive top 10 or 20/60 Slam like this stats for 15 years also incredible despite his injury it shows his longevity(usually top 2 mostly 2) .also one thing is amazing after 2005 he win every year atleast 1 grand slam except 2015-2016 it is really superb. Again this year he didn't win ATP finals despite he was playing really great time. That match with thiem it was one of the best bo3 matches ı have seen this year. I was disappointed against medvedev by the way congrats to him. I thought after 5-4 in the second nadal was lately also sometimes not closing matches and giving his advantage. But he was maintaining his level and playing great still. I dont know after 5-4 in the second ıdk the reason but to me it was one of the worst performances ı have seen from him but it happens to everybody just atleast was a close to bad performance for me specially 3rd set there could be many reasons like age about that also in first 2 sets he was not playing great like he did against others anyway. I think he should have won 1 Atp finals but to me its not much of a big deal ı think it is an important tournament but if we consider from his perspective he missed some of those he usually getting tired and there was almost always better player than him in this his least pref surface. Because other than grass ındoors are the least tournaments. I can understand if someone says he is not ATG on indoors because he didn't win much if we compare with his other stats. But ı think it is better value than Olympics even though olympics has prestige. But it happens only 1 time in 4 year so WTF more reachable goal than olympics. So we should not compare with novak's or roger's missing them. But for sure GS are most important and they are way more important than WTF In GS every 8 best player are joining also but it is not the winner's problem if he didn't face one of them. You also suppose to win against other players this next gens was losing a lot of players in grandslam where they were clearly better atleast about ranking. By the way Nadal also has a lot of Davis cup
. I used to call Roger the goat because of the slam difference between him and the other players like Nadal Sampras Djokovic back then 2013 I'm also not fan of comparing the players from different era's. but ı like the compare their achievements. I can say ı know all the good players and also their play since 2010. I also know legends and their play. Even though ı know as a name and just watched their (only few matches against nadal)some matches like the good players (Roddick hewitt davydenko) (when fed's peak years.)But in general ı dont want to compare to the players if ı don't watch their matches.Now ı wanted to talk about Bıg 3 Novak first About Novak first years when ı watch later on the 2011 matches when he dominate the field specially against nadal in the finals including clay masters. But since 2012 to 2016 ı was getting frustrated about the Bo3 HC matches u Djokovic was winning usually without losing a set against Nadal and these are reasons and some his behaviour on the court was why ı didn't like him firstly. But specially he was winning the matches a lot. Obviously its a normal because he is better player in HC's. But even though ı dont like him ı respect him. But we all know that Rafa was playing much better in the grandslams matches was much more close. So but in the end for last few years and ı respect him more actually ı was always respect him but difference is ı dont hate him at all (even though ı m very upset about the 2018 WB
) Novak has a lot of great achiements like YE1 going for breaking federer's MWN1 their boths numbers are incredible. For me one of the most impressive and amazing one this is just my opinion he has 2 title from every master To me this is just amazing. That shows how he is complete all around player. Dont get me wrong this doesn't makes others not obviously they are all around players too this just makes him bigger. And ı wanted to give one more credit to him that WB 2019 maybe he should have played better and win more comfortably but crowd was so annoying roger was playing well in his old age was playing some great tennis ıdk ı probably didn't support anyone or no ı support roger probably but the crowd was so annoying ı also wanted djoko to win ı know it is not roger's fault that he have more fans. They were just disrespectfull to one of the great champions . About federer ı probably should'nt say much because ı didn't watch or follow the years when he crush everyone except nadal on clay from (2004-2007) and other peaking years too. I know somebody talks about weak era's ı could talk this too but in the end he was dominating the years ı actually can't say because of weak era because like ı said ı just didn't watched those years but he was going 3/4 slam year after year But ı saw one thing in 2017 ıdk the reason maybe about his racquet maybe about his coach change he was unbelievable,amazing specially in IW Against nadal ı thought Fed was just unplayable his backhand was on fire (down the line backhands)even this shot in the end Mp it was just sick. I was trusting Nadal's h2h and believe he could win even if HC or not because he showed so much against Fed. I know Fed's forehand was awesome one of the best shots in his peak years. And ı know 2017 is obviously was not his best year. I always thought if he is capable of doing this he should do this in after 2012 to 2016 you could also say even maybe 2010 but he was great at 2010 and 2011 too was just not the best player. What ı am trying to say is he should have win more Grandslams in those years. I know firstly Nadal and djokovic was so good in those years and in 2017 Novak was not playing great. I also amazed how he played in 2019 WB even though he lost was also sorry for him. Probably ı didn't dislike or hate him anytime because one important reason is nadal has a great h2h but also what federer turned it into more closer overall score after 2017 was also very good achievement from him. He has also a lot of great records his longevity is great he is still very competitive ı mean he was atleast. He has also amazing records Winning more than 1200 matches playing consecutive semi finals WB records 5 plus AO WB USO and also most 6 Atp finale title you all know that ı don't want to repeat.
About Nadal firstly ı just want to say maybe this is another thread we can discuss like almost every other rafan thing he is just NOT the only clay player or only claydal or whatever if you call him. I dont want to talk a lot about this because ı m tired and dont worry ı wont make any longer posts like this probably ever because ı just wanted to talk about my thoughts on tennis in my first post. One of the reasons is he has 7 GS in the era between 2 best players even if they are not exist in this time it is still great number A lot of "legends" have 7-8 or 6 grand slams. Everybody knows he is better on clay and his achievements are much better on clay but nobody is perfect. İf he can play in the other surfaces like he did on clay he should have more than 25 slam close to 30. Roger is not good on clay like he is on Grass and Hard but he is still very good on clay when he was the best player. He played a lot of finals. Also same for Novak. Although novak has a lot clay masters too. But we could say underachiever with both of them 1 RG. and ı dont agree with the someone who says your GS should not seperate with much difference in the end Nadal has 20 GS for now 13 RG and 7 for others but that doesn't make him less greater this 13 RG just make him bigger player like in Novak's case. His biggest record by far the 13 RG to me these BIG 3 has a lot of incredible record. Nadal's 13 RG and 100-2 to me one of the best records in sport history. He has also other records like 81 matches clay streak and consecutive top 10 or 20/60 Slam like this stats for 15 years also incredible despite his injury it shows his longevity(usually top 2 mostly 2) .also one thing is amazing after 2005 he win every year atleast 1 grand slam except 2015-2016 it is really superb. Again this year he didn't win ATP finals despite he was playing really great time. That match with thiem it was one of the best bo3 matches ı have seen this year. I was disappointed against medvedev by the way congrats to him. I thought after 5-4 in the second nadal was lately also sometimes not closing matches and giving his advantage. But he was maintaining his level and playing great still. I dont know after 5-4 in the second ıdk the reason but to me it was one of the worst performances ı have seen from him but it happens to everybody just atleast was a close to bad performance for me specially 3rd set there could be many reasons like age about that also in first 2 sets he was not playing great like he did against others anyway. I think he should have won 1 Atp finals but to me its not much of a big deal ı think it is an important tournament but if we consider from his perspective he missed some of those he usually getting tired and there was almost always better player than him in this his least pref surface. Because other than grass ındoors are the least tournaments. I can understand if someone says he is not ATG on indoors because he didn't win much if we compare with his other stats. But ı think it is better value than Olympics even though olympics has prestige. But it happens only 1 time in 4 year so WTF more reachable goal than olympics. So we should not compare with novak's or roger's missing them. But for sure GS are most important and they are way more important than WTF In GS every 8 best player are joining also but it is not the winner's problem if he didn't face one of them. You also suppose to win against other players this next gens was losing a lot of players in grandslam where they were clearly better atleast about ranking. By the way Nadal also has a lot of Davis cup
