This whole 40-15 thing is a bit out of control lol....

Federev

Hall of Fame
I've read so many comments saying Federer ruined his legacy with 40-15 o_O sure it looked bad and was a terrible choke, but the fact that he was even in that position at 38 should speak louder than the fact he lost the match. A lot of people giving him the most grief over it are Fed fans at that. Yall better snap out of it :oops:



Fed's career is defined by the gajillion things he won, and not the matches he lost.
Well said. And I completely agree.

But it strikes people better coming from a Nadal fan like you than me. So I’m thankful you wrote this!

I just sent an earlier version of this to @Sudacafan on another thread about this, and it sums up my thinking on your post too:

“I don’t think posters on TTW responding to events in the same era they happen can - by inherent definition - declare Federer’s legacy (the way the public IN THE FUTURE - will see his career) destroyed.

MJ (Wizards), Joe Montana (Chiefs), Ali - Even McEnroe, Connors, Borg... all had faltering endings and some weak “latter stages”.

They are all still remembered for what they accomplished more than what they failed at.


...All that people here “feel” right now is what is most current ... like “40-15”. Esp as it’s fodder for haters.

But with time that event - and others - will be compressed and - with perspective - shrink to its rightful place in his overall INCREDIBLE career of unprecedented accomplishment.

just wait and see. Happens w all of them.

But you have to wait.”
 

Musterrific

Semi-Pro
It really is crazy man. All that fighting to get to the MPs and then not finish it. Fed was like:



I really don't get it though, with 2 MP's to beat Djokovic and Nadal back to back, you should be going for the hardest ace you can hit and if the ball comes back to NOT be so safe with your groundstrokes.
Exactly. If any moment required a ruthless, even borderline reckless approach, it was that one. On his first match point he should have tried to hit the hardest serve of his career. His tendency to play tentatively in these types of moments has cost him a number of slams.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Exactly. If any moment required a ruthless, even borderline reckless approach, it was that one. On his first match point he should have tried to hit the hardest serve of his career. His tendency to play tentatively in these types of moments has cost him a number of slams.
Exactly. To the body too! Smh.

 

The Guru

Hall of Fame
It's total "What have you done for me lately" nonsense that I'm guessing half of the people who will not let it die don't even take seriously.

Of course for any Novak fans that do - Djokovic double faulted not one, but two Roland Garros titles away (three if you count the penultimate game this year) his fans shouldn't be laughing at anyone else for so called choking.
He was not going to win in 2012 or 2020 lol. 2014 maybe a mini choke because he had a chance there.
 

Start da Game

Hall of Fame
why is it out of control?

fed just took 40-15 to a whole new level last year, as if the earlier chokes at 40-15 weren't enough........firstly it was a wimbledon final of all, not some semis of a hardcourt slam or a masters event final........he was shivering inside at 40-15, he does a good job of hiding it but you could see it in his face last year, it was a choke of monumental proportions........it is easily the biggest choke i have ever seen........

sorry but age is no excuse here........he blew a 6-5 40-0 lead to djoko in montreal 2007 when he was just 25 or something........if you are good enough to reach a wimbledon final at almost 40, you should also be good enough to close it out.........he would have choked the same even at 25 because the problem is not physical here but mental........
 

ibbi

Legend
He was not going to win in 2012 or 2020 lol. 2014 maybe a mini choke because he had a chance there.
What does whether or not he was going to win have to do with anything? In 2012 and 2014 he was down match point, and he hit a double fault on both occasions. So either he gave up and hit a double fault deliberately to gift his opponent a grand slam title, or on the biggest point of the match he wet the bed. Either is terrible, neither can be defended. I think some of you people need to look up what it means to choke.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
He was not going to win in 2012 or 2020 lol. 2014 maybe a mini choke because he had a chance there.



Djokovic has never had any chance to beat Nadal in a RG final, Rafa is 13/13 in RG finals and is the most dominant player ever on a surface. If Nadal reaches a RG final, it means he is playing well enough and thus unbeatable. No one can beat a well-playing version of Nadal at RG, because no one can match his level on the surface when he is playing well.

Djokovic didn't even reach a 5th set in the RG 2014 final, so no he had no chance. He lost in 4 sets, as usual.
 

3loudboys

Hall of Fame
Fed would turn 39 two weeks after the final was played. Making a slam final at nearly 39 is even more incredible.
It is. Age is a number and contextually relevant to all those Fed critics. Like I said self confessed Rafa fan but also appreciate genius when I see it.
 

Federev

Hall of Fame
I think Federer just can't handle that much pressure. He somehow wants to escape the situation ASAP. He just hopes everything goes his way by and plays quick as possible. Sometimes it works. But when opponent is mentally tough it almost never works.
Like a thousand tough moments before, - I think the 5th set and the final game of AO17 showed loudly that Fed can handle the most tremendous pressure.

He was down 3-1 in the 5th and 15-40 serving for the match.

“40-15” is not a simple story of Fed failing.

Novak Djokovic is the probably the best returner the game has ever seen.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
I've gotta stop drinking beer so early in the morning.
Adulting, do what you want :p lol

I agree it is a source of trolling here but I disagree with the conclusion you have arrived at. Yes, it is amazing he made the slam final at his age and was one serve away from winning. However.... the old argument of would he have been better to lose in the 1st round and that the rest is gravy misses the mark here. A ton on the line there and to blow it in that fashion with his history in tight moments against rivals...quite bad.

Ultimately legacy is based on overall acheivements, I do agree with that, so in the grand scheme it simply would have been one more slam for Federer and one less for Djokovic.



Can't blame you. Should be the norm with lockdowns.
So you're saying it was the most epic of fails?
 

Federev

Hall of Fame
3 set victory ended in a 5 set loss.
I don't want to sound rude to the fed fans, but if the Swiss legend had the mental strength of rafa, the scoreline would've looked largely similar in his favour just like the 2020 RG final scoreline looked in Nadal's Favour.
6-3 6-1 6-4 roger
I don’t think it’s simply “the mental strength of Rafa”.

Rafa is a beast.

But all these guys are.

Where was Rafa’s mental strength fail at AO17 when he was up 3-1 in the 5th and up 15-40 to break in the final game?

I don’t mean to take anything away from Rafa. He’s tremendous.

But Federer has won just as many final slams, won just as many matches, and gotten to just as many finals. All through many tough moments.

People who bash Fed for choking need to remember there has been no better returner in the game than Novak. He had a lot to do with 40-15.
 

BackhandDTL

Hall of Fame
Meh Rafa on clay has more pure tennis talent than anyone I’ve ever seen
True but on average both have shown more mental strength than the Swiss. On average. Flip side of it is Roger Federer has, in my opinion, shown more pure tennis talent (racquet skills) than the two of them.
 

kevaninho

Hall of Fame
Federer rushes himself too much on pressure points. Why he couldn't wait for few seconds and concentrate before serving on MPs? Nadal or Djokovic often does it.
Yep. Its the whole false calmness he tries to show.

But really he would've been better relaxing and taking longer than usual.
 
What Fed fans should accept is Fed attracts criticism by his behavior: i mean how come the player who likes to show off the most in and outside the court turns out later to be unable to hold his nerves ?

Did someone say immature ?

Fed is a walking contradiction. This is where the criticism stems from.

This must be what they mean by "behaviour out of context"? Don't fret, there's no flies on Federer - even though he's been acting the goat ;-)

 

terribleIVAN

Hall of Fame
This must be what they mean by "behaviour out of context"? Don't fret, there's no flies on Federer - even though he's been acting the goat ;-)
Not according to his former juniors coach, Paul Dorochenko: he was so tired of Fed's antics ( "he didn't know when to stop"), he quit and went to coach another player.

Llodra considered young Fed "totally crazy".

I can show you clips at RG where the commentator states it right out the bat: "there's an air of arrogance about him".
 
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Rafa4LifeEver

Semi-Pro
I don’t think it’s simply “the mental strength of Rafa”.

Rafa is a beast.

But all these guys are.

Where was Rafa’s mental strength fail at AO17 when he was up 3-1 in the 5th and up 15-40 to break in the final game?

I don’t mean to take anything away from Rafa. He’s tremendous.

But Federer has won just as many final slams, won just as many matches, and gotten to just as many finals. All through many tough moments.

People who bash Fed for choking need to remember there has been no better returner in the game than Novak. He had a lot to do with 40-15.
First of all, apologies from my side if I've hurt your sentiments, sir.
What I wanted to say is that when Rafa was significantly better than nole on his own homeground (aka PC), he refused to let opportunities pass away; whereas roger did exactly the opposite on his homeground (aka centre court), time and time again. I'm not stating that Roger is a choker.
 

ADuck

Hall of Fame
It was barely a choke, it was only a choke in the sense that he came so close to winning but didn't win. If you watch the actual tennis, he just got outplayed during the 2 match points.
 

Federev

Hall of Fame
First of all, apologies from my side if I've hurt your sentiments, sir.
What I wanted to say is that when Rafa was significantly better than nole on his own homeground (aka PC), he refused to let opportunities pass away; whereas roger did exactly the opposite on his homeground (aka centre court), time and time again. I'm not stating that Roger is a choker.
No offense taken. And Rafa is clay king no doubt.

A huge part of the problem for Fed is age. That is constantly undervalued by folks here - esp haters.

If they were equal ATGs, by normal physical peak, in general, Federer beat Novak when he should have - and beyond.

Novak has beaten Fed when he should have with some glaring exceptions (RG’11 & WB ‘12),

But what should be obvious , is that once Fed was past his prime he would always be at an age disadvantage. It’s been that way since about 2010.

So no matter how long they play Fed will always be in the losing side of physical ability (all things being equal).

I’m of a mind - as I’ve said before - the expectations for Fed are so high that people forget he has no business holding MPs against an ATG world #1 six years his younger ... or thrashing him a few months later at the WTFs.

In 1991 Jimmy Connors had an amazing run to the USO semis at 39. People were in awe.

Fed pranced through the field at Wimbledon 19, and at nearly 38, took out world #2 Rafa in 4, and outplayed Novak but for a few crucial points in the final. He played the best tennis of anyone for 2 weeks. Oldest guy in the whole field by far. And can you imagine? No one really expected him to do any less.

Now all you hear is “40-15”. It’s “recency bias” in reverse; we have not the historical perspective to say “what the heck is that guy doing w MPs against Novak Djokovic???”

The last 17 matches of Lendl v Connors were 17-0 for Lendl. No one but a few exceptions thinks Lendl’s legacy outshines Connors. The most reasonable answer is that Connors is 7.5 years older. If they played for 10 more years Lendl should win every time. But for no other reason than the age difference.

This is what’s happened to Federer - to a large measure with Novak.

Except Fed has been much better than anyone expected much longer than anyone expected.

Sadly for his fans, because he can not quite dominate like he did in his prime - 2003-2009ish, and yet has played far longer than that period of 6 years, he’s spent the better part of the last 10 years as a runner up.

In addition to this, his 2 younger rivals also have had the luxury of not having to play someone close to their own stature behind them. If they do get a real challenge at the slam level, it’s usually been the other, or Fed.

Anyway - that’s my take.
 
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Federev

Hall of Fame
I actually never thought about this lol. It would have been unbearable :unsure:
Gosh - Golly - yeah - I just can’t imagine how unbearable it would have been.

I can’t just imagine what it would have been like to have to hear the same thing again and again and again, over and over and over for months and months and months from some enflamed fan base.

I guess we’ll never really know.
 

E36BMWM3

Hall of Fame
None of that stuff is tennis related though hahahah.

Getting DQ’d for a dink underhand dolly that miraculously hit the line judge is the epitome of the ATP today. So soft.
It’s all tennis related ya ding dong... anyways, Fed is so much more to the sport than Djokovic will ever be. Being in denial is a state of being so enjoy it partner
 

BackhandDTL

Hall of Fame
It’s all tennis related ya ding dong... anyways, Fed is so much more to the sport than Djokovic will ever be. Being in denial is a state of being so enjoy it partner
Nah. I’m a Nadal fan I don’t even have a horse in this race.

Djokovic brings mental toughness and clutch ability to the game to a much greater extent than Fed does. He has a rags to riches story that is inspiring for many folks.
 

Europa1

New User
I've read so many comments saying Federer ruined his legacy with 40-15 o_O sure it looked bad and was a terrible choke, but the fact that he was even in that position at 38 should speak louder than the fact he lost the match. A lot of people giving him the most grief over it are Fed fans at that. Yall better snap out of it :oops:



Fed's career is defined by the gajillion things he won, and not the matches he lost.
Federer plays too cleanly. Now what he should have done was borrowed a page from his two chief rivals playbook: casually walked over to get a towel, slowly walk back. Look up at his team a few times for signals, tugged at his shirt a few times, looked around at the crowd and back up at his coach, get into service set-up, start over. In other words, get into Djoker's head by keeping him waiting...and waiting. Instead he played possibly faster than usual. He should have mixed up his timing. But still, he was trying to close it out with the arguably greates returner of all time. I think some forget that.
 

6august

Hall of Fame
LOL, it's sport, you have to accept it, so does Fred.

In 1994 David Ginola made a mistake in the last minutes, France lost to Bulgaria was eliminated from the World Cup. He was cursed by the whole nation and never have chance to play for France anymore despite being in the peak of his career.

Also in 1994 A. Escobar was shot to dead after his own-goal against the USA.

Fred is a billionaire and superstar. He has received a lot from tennis. He should/must be OK with anything tennis throws at his face.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Federer plays too cleanly. Now what he should have done was borrowed a page from his two chief rivals playbook: casually walked over to get a towel, slowly walk back. Look up at his team a few times for signals, tugged at his shirt a few times, looked around at the crowd and back up at his coach, get into service set-up, start over. In other words, get into Djoker's head by keeping him waiting...and waiting. Instead he played possibly faster than usual. He should have mixed up his timing. But still, he was trying to close it out with the arguably greates returner of all time. I think some forget that.
Facts :-D
Fed: "Lemme hurry and wrap this up"
Djokovic: "I have you right where I want you"
 

Rafa4LifeEver

Semi-Pro
No offense taken. And Rafa is clay king no doubt.

A huge part of the problem for Fed is age. That is constantly undervalued by folks here - esp haters.

If they were equal ATGs, by normal physical peak, in general, Federer beat Novak when he should have - and beyond.

Novak has beaten Fed when he should have with some glaring exceptions (RG’11 & WB ‘12),

But what should be obvious , is that once Fed was past his prime he would always be at an age disadvantage. It’s been that way since about 2010.

So no matter how long they play Fed will always be in the losing side of physical ability (all things being equal).

I’m of a mind - as I’ve said before - the expectations for Fed are so high that people forget he has no business holding MPs against an ATG world #1 six years his younger ... or thrashing him a few months later at the WTFs.

In 1991 Jimmy Connors had an amazing run to the USO semis at 39. People were in awe.

Fed pranced through the field at Wimbledon 19, and at nearly 38, took out world #2 Rafa in 4, and outplayed Novak but for a few crucial points in the final. He played the best tennis of anyone for 2 weeks. Oldest guy in the whole field by far. And can you imagine? No one really expected him to do any less.

Now all you hear is “40-15”. It’s “recency bias” in reverse; we have not the historical perspective to say “what the heck is that guy doing w MPs against Novak Djokovic???”

The last 17 matches of Lendl v Connors were 17-0 for Lendl. No one but a few exceptions thinks Lendl’s legacy outshines Connors. The most reasonable answer is that Connors is 7.5 years older. If they played for 10 more years Lendl should win every time. But for no other reason than the age difference.

This is what’s happened to Federer - to a large measure with Novak.

Except Fed has been much better than anyone expected much longer than anyone expected.

Sadly for his fans, because he can not quite dominate like he did in his prime - 2003-2009ish, and yet has played far longer than that period of 6 years, he’s spent the better part of the last 10 years as a runner up.

In addition to this, his 2 younger rivals also have had the luxury of not having to play someone close to their own stature behind them. If they do get a real challenge at the slam level, it’s usually been the other, or Fed.

Anyway - that’s my take.
I agree with the most part of your post, sir.
And I am not a fed hater for sure, he is my 2nd favourite player, and I respect him a lot.

Also, yes you're absolutely correct about the age disadvantages federer had since 2010
 

terribleIVAN

Hall of Fame
From the other tennis forum (end): :D


"This was the best possible result for humanity with the spiritual Djokovic prevailing over the materialist greedy Federer.
We should all be looking at this as a signal that there is some hope for the future, after all. "

"This result was a blessing for the world. Pure justice prevailed. "

"One of my favorite slam finals ever. Just when you thought Federer had it with his championship points and the world was about to descend into 1000 years of darkness, Lord Nole the Lightbringer screams a passing shot winner and goes on to win the match.
There's no recovering from this kind of loss. Not for Roger, not for his fans. The perfect swansong. "

"Well, as they say, be careful what you wish for. We wished for USO '15 scars to be gone and they are definitely gone now. Replaced by brand spanking new Wimbledon '19 scars. :lol:
My envy of Djokovic's ability to not crack under pressure knows no limits. He earned every bit of respect for his inhuman resilience. Hats off and congrats!
And Fed... What he's done at a couple weeks shot of 38 is inconceivable. I am so proud and blessed being his fan! Coming so close is not just heartbreaking. It's soul crushing. Thank god his soul is so much stronger than mine! And I hope this painful loss won't change that. Never retire, old man! "

"Ok guys, I am crushed, I really am. I thought I'd be haunted by USO 2009, AO 2009, W 2008, RG 2011, USO 2015... This one was the worst: losing from 2 MP up, having the opportunity to break at 11-all and losing 3/3 Tiebreaks... I keep rewatching the key moments in the match and hope they turn out differently. Obiously the don't. I can't believe he lost that way.
I am really sad as of now.
Congrats to Nole and his fans. I'd like to say he was the better man out there today (as he clearly was in the last final they played at Wimbledon), I can't say the same today and this makes it worse. "

"Federer won 68% of his service points in the match. With that percentage he had ~1% chance to lose 4 service points in a row. And he did it. While serving for the match. That's the one thing I still can't really get over. I understand not converting a match point - it happens. I can somewhat understand not converting 2 MPs in a row. But not only did he not covert any of the match points, he proceeded to lose 2 more points in a row on his service. 4 points lost from 40:15 - that's too much, especially for Federer with his service and on grass. From 40:15 up that game just flew by and just moments later Djokovic was back on service. And what's more - after that failure Federer lost only 3 points combined in his next 4 service games. It's crazy. And some people say it wasn't a choke. It was - just as the score was even again Federer won his service games with ease. "

"I'm still in shock and disbelief. Not again. Congrats to Novak and his fans, what an absolute mental giant. Fed missed out on a chance to put the ultimate touchstone the greatest sports career...total insanity "

"It's literally impossible to come up with a loss more tragic than this for Federer and his ****s. In a career as decorated as it is Federer's ability to find a way to clutch out this loss will be one of his most impressive achievements. "

"The more this sinks in the more I realize what a nightmare it is!
I think it is quite possible that this wasted MP's cost him the GOAT-title in the end. Losing after having 2 CP's at Wimbledon against your main rival (besides Nadal). I cannot think of a more bitter defeat especially with regards to the whole history behind it.
And I think once Roger fully realizes what happened it will affect him. How could it not.
The stars were aligned perfectly and then it all went down the drain. He rushed the MP's. Also its not the first time Fed lost an important match after MP.
I dont think any player lost more important matches then Federer when being MP up. "

"This is still one of the most tragic results in the history of tennis. Roger had this in the bag, but he had to squander it. Dreadful result for the sport. "

"Oh f- off

f-

f- me

What the f- ?

F-ing ****.

F-

I don't know what I have just watched. Was it the worst match of all time or the best ? I

don't know. I don't understand anything. I just know that I will remember this Sunday for

the rest of my life.

Two titans of this sport regardless of the result.

f- "
 
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lucky13

Rookie
it's a long list of feds losses after having at least one MP! too long for a so-called GOAT! and he was not 38 all the time. 24 matches of which 6 were GS matches of which 3 were against one of his biggest rivals and in all 3 he had 40-15!



the last 40-15 in the final of his favorite tournament against his worst opponent was just icing on the cake.
 

Krish872007

G.O.A.T.
it's a long list of feds losses after having at least one MP! too long for a so-called GOAT! and he was not 38 all the time. 24 matches of which 6 were GS matches of which 3 were against one of his biggest rivals and in all 3 he had 40-15!



the last 40-15 in the final of his favorite tournament against his worst opponent was just icing on the cake.
It's the great "leveller" - if you look at the number of escapes he's had it kind of evens out. It's a 2 sided coin after all!

22 matches where he has lost despite having match points (48 individual MPs squandered).
22 matches he has won after saving match points (62 individual MPs saved)


2020 Aus Open QF Sandgren 6–3, 2–6, 2–6, 7–6(8), 6–3 (7MP)!!
2019 Rome R16 Coric 2–6, 6–4, 7–6(7) (2MP)
2019 Madrid R16 Monfils 6–0, 4–6, 7–6(3) (2MP)
2018 Halle R16 Paire 6–3, 3–6, 7–6(7) (2MP)
2017 Miami QF Berdych 6–2, 3–6, 7–6(6) (2MP)
2016 Wimbledon QF Cilic 6–7(4), 4–6, 6–3, 7–6(9), 6–3 (3MP)
2014 London WTF SF Wawrinka 4–6, 7–5, 7–6(6) (4MP)
2014 Shanghai R32 Mayer 7–5, 3–6, 7–6(7) (5MP)
2014 US Open QF Monfils 4–6, 3–6, 6–4, 7–5, 6–2 (2MP)
2011 Madrid R32 López 7–6(13), 6–7(1), 7–6(7) (1MP)
2006 Shanghai TMC RR Roddick 4–6, 7–6(8), 6–4 (3MP)
2006 Halle QF Rochus 6–7(2), 7–6(9), 7–6(5) (4MP)
2005 Dubai R16 Ferrero 4–6, 6–3, 7–6(6) (2MP)
2003 Houston TMC RR Agassi 6–7(3), 6–3, 7–6(7) (2MP)
2003 Paris R16 Verkerk 6–7(3), 7–6(12), 7–6(6) (4MP)
2003 Cincinnati R64 Draper 4–6, 6–3, 7–6(10) (7MP)!!
2001 Vienna R32 Massú 4–6, 7–6(8), 6–4 (3MP)
2001 Miami R16 Johansson 7–6(3), 5–7, 7–6(7) (1MP)
2000 Basel SF Hewitt 6–4, 5–7, 7–6(6) (1MP)
2000 US Open R128 Wessels 4–6, 4–6, 6–3, 7–5, 3–4 RET (1MP)
2000 Marseille QF Ljubicic 6–2, 3–6, 7–6(5) (2MP)
1999 Rotterdam R32 Raoux 6–7(4), 7–5, 7–6(3) (2MP)
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Gosh - Golly - yeah - I just can’t imagine how unbearable it would have been.

I can’t just imagine what it would have been like to have to hear the same thing again and again and again, over and over and over for months and months and months from some enflamed fan base.

I guess we’ll never really know.
We're just so fortunate that other two largest fanbases are so well-behaved and have such commendable self-control that we'll never know, it will truly remain one of the biggest TTW mysteries, lol.

One would expect endless 40-15 memes in addition to the usual daily thrashing of Fed's career, if Djokodal fans weren't such upstanding posters above mud-slinging.
 

wangs78

Hall of Fame
As a Fed fan, I don’t think 40-15 ruined his legacy, but what it did do was disappoint immeasurably in that it was a huge opportunity for Fed to cement his claim to the GOAT mantle. For a 38yo to beat the undisputed no. 1 (Djokovic) who was still in his prime would be the ace card every Fed proponent would use in arguing Fed’s case even if Djokovic wound up surpassing Fed’s records. It would have been similar to Fed’s defeat of Nadal at the AO in 2017. But it is what it is. Fed is still my favorite player and that won’t change with who wins the most Slams, etc.
 

JackGates

Legend
I've read so many comments saying Federer ruined his legacy with 40-15 o_O sure it looked bad and was a terrible choke, but the fact that he was even in that position at 38 should speak louder than the fact he lost the match. A lot of people giving him the most grief over it are Fed fans at that. Yall better snap out of it :oops:



Fed's career is defined by the gajillion things he won, and not the matches he lost.
I guess it depens on the logic. Some people say that mental toughness is huge part of your greatness, so failing vs Djokovic like that 3 times from match points may ruin your legacy a bit.

If Fed's versatility is being used to prop him up, then his lack of mental toughness compared to Djokodal also has to be mentioned. Niether contributes to slam count, but Fed fans love to use his versatility to elevate him, so using the same logic, this also can be used to criticize him for lack of some mental abilities.

Yeah, W 19 is just one match, but it's all previous matches vs Djokodal when Fed failed even when he was ahead and the favourite. Tons of lost break points vs them, tons of times not being able to convert at 0-40 or being broken right after he converted.
And he folded right away when losing those MPs versus Nole, why couldn't he at least extend the match ?
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
I guess it depens on the logic. Some people say that mental toughness is huge part of your greatness, so failing vs Djokovic like that 3 times from match points may ruin your legacy a bit.

If Fed's versatility is being used to prop him up, then his lack of mental toughness compared to Djokodal also has to be mentioned. Niether contributes to slam count, but Fed fans love to use his versatility to elevate him, so using the same logic, this also can be used to criticize him for lack of some mental abilities.

Yeah, W 19 is just one match, but it's all previous matches vs Djokodal when Fed failed even when he was ahead and the favourite. Tons of lost break points vs them, tons of times not being able to convert at 0-40 or being broken right after he converted.
And he folded right away when losing those MPs versus Nole, why couldn't he at least extend the match ?
So you share the view that he will retire as Novak's B!tch? :unsure:
 

TheNachoMan

Hall of Fame
3-0 against a baseline grinder HC specialist on his favorite surface isn’t a good look. I don’t care how old he is. He outplayed Novak for the whole match and I pretty much accepted defeat by the third set.

Novak didn’t though. :cool:
 

Mark-Touch

Hall of Fame
I've read so many comments saying Federer ruined his legacy with 40-15 o_O sure it looked bad and was a terrible choke, but the fact that he was even in that position at 38 should speak louder than the fact he lost the match. A lot of people giving him the most grief over it are Fed fans at that. Yall better snap out of it :oops:



Fed's career is defined by the gajillion things he won, and not the matches he lost.
B.S.
I will never tire of this one!

If Djoker stepped up to the plate and just demolished every shot that came his way at 40-15 so Fed had no chance,
you might have an argument.

But go back and study the 'tape' carefully. That's not what happened.
Fed didn't do his homework and learn from previous championship point situations.
Fed had no pre-match strategy for a championship point situation.
It was painfully obvious.

He didn't slow down and take extra breaths.
He didn't hit killer first AND second serves from 40-15 until he won the match.

No excuse for Fed no matter what his age!
 
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