Thomas Berdych booed by Melbourne crowd!!!!!

I'm actually going to be rooting for Nadal for once.

If you're gonna approach the net, don't get angry for being stupid enough to position yourself so the only option your opponent has is to hit you.
 
I was in a similar situation in a "social" doubles match. My partner hit the opposing guy at net, and then that guy said something like "if you try to hit me again. I'll punch you". I kinda laughed a bit on the inside. I thought that was that.
After the match he carried on with it, by complaining further. I felt I needed to back my partner up so I called the guy a f***ing sook (crybaby). He threw a lamington at me :(
My point is- it's tennis. If you're up at net, you're there to volley. If you can't handle it, then you shouldn't be there. It's unlikely that any damage would be done by getting hit anyway. We've all been hit when the opposition have had high volleys or smashes etc . It's part of the game. They're "pros" too.
I remember Lendl did the same thing to Mcenroe once. They shook hands afterwards, as I recall.
 
IF the guy doesn't wanna shake the dudes hand and be a fake as$ about it then so be it. Stop forcing the man to be a fake fart. HE didn't appreciate getting hit by a 90mph forehand at close range ok? Australian Open Crowd. You pusssies are sitting in the comforts of your seat eating your aussie popcorn and not experiencing the raw emotions of the match. And the sad thing is that the people who booed the loudest are these fat ugly chicks in the stand who absolutely would not have any chance in hell of being able to play tennis period.

LOL. I agree. Yeah, maybe Berdych was wrong but the crowd (and media) reaction is so over the top its ridiculous. He didn't shake the guy's hand, big effing deal. Those guys were in the heat of battle in a tough match, you're not gonna take as kindly to a body shot as in other situations. Besides nobody knows the history between these two. Could be Berdych has other reasons for hating him.

Seriously what was with that crowd (especially that nasty scraggly hair b!tch who acted like Berdych stomped on her puppy)? Too much Fosters or some other crappy beer? I have no idea why they were so miffed. Go Boo your precious little Tomic who is actually a proven cheater.

Everyone needs to calm down. Especially Brad Gilbert. He calls someone a bad sportsman but then encourages physical violence in the locker room? Of course he's too stupid to see the irony (and idiocy) of his statements.
 
The worst thing is when your own partner hits you in the back of the head when serving. One should always keep down, I suppose.
 
Originally Posted by bhallic24 View Post
IF the guy doesn't wanna shake the dudes hand and be a fake as$ about it then so be it. Stop forcing the man to be a fake fart. HE didn't appreciate getting hit by a 90mph forehand at close range ok? Australian Open Crowd. You pusssies are sitting in the comforts of your seat eating your aussie popcorn and not experiencing the raw emotions of the match. And the sad thing is that the people who booed the loudest are these fat ugly chicks in the stand who absolutely would not have any chance in hell of being able to play tennis period.


Hey buddy, don't knock our fat ugly chicks. They're world class. Probably not in the Khloe Kardashian league, but they're up there.
 
So, in summary: Central and Eastern Euros and a few armchairs who don't play the game or have never come to net think Berdych is within his rights; rest of the world thinks he's a toolbag.
 
Anyone who thinks Almagro is a "villain" obviously haven't played/watched rugby union. It's not uncommon in that sport to have your eyes gouged and your head stomped on, and more often than not, it's all soon forgotten after the match.
Berdych should sack up and grow a pair.
 
1) It was a totally fair shot, on the run,, topspin forehand.
2) Birdman is a professional and should be able to block it away or better yet hit it for a winner.
3) Almagro genuinely apologized. It wasn't lighthearted. He came immediately over.
4) They are professionals playing a Grand Slam tourney. Tradition matters.
5) The crowd was there and were resolute in their opinion.
6) I will never be a fan of Birdman and this incident will eventually cost him millions of dollars in lost endorsements. Mark my word, Nike and Head will be done with him at contract renewal time.
 
Tennis ain't rugby!

If you don't know then ask somebody.

My point was that the chances of getting injured (other than your pride) by getting hit with a tennis ball are close to nothing. If these prima donnas in tennis played some other sports they'd see what the term "dirty play" really meant. This is one of the reasons why tennis isn't more popular. It's just too staid and polite. Even in cricket, which is an equally traditional sport, guys get hit in the head with a ball as hard as a rock. They don't complain, they wear helmets. Maybe Berdych should wear a helmet next time he plays.
 
Tomas made a mistake. Imo he overreacted and was more concentrated on his Hollywood-inspired fall than on possible block shot. It is pathetic to see a professional athlete and a man of his size behaving like a desperate housewife.
 
Y'all make it sound like this is the first time it's happened.

I love Berdy, he's one of my favorite players. He didn't shake hands? So what?! It's happened before. Obviously he was a bit miffed, (and there was a bit of an over reaction on his part) but it's not the end of the world. He even said later on in the evening that "everything is fine between [us]... if he wants we can practice together at the next tournament."

After everything cooled down after the storm, life seems fine between them.

-Fuji
 
Y'all make it sound like this is the first time it's happened.

I love Berdy, he's one of my favorite players. He didn't shake hands? So what?! It's happened before. Obviously he was a bit miffed, (and there was a bit of an over reaction on his part) but it's not the end of the world. He even said later on in the evening that "everything is fine between [us]... if he wants we can practice together at the next tournament."

After everything cooled down after the storm, life seems fine between them.

-Fuji

There shouldn't have been a "storm" in the first place. He's a guy who's 6' 5" tall and he can't handle getting hit with a tennis ball? I'd like to see how he handles a real crisis.
Look, don't get me wrong, he's a great player, and seems to have a good character, but he was acting a bit soft yesterday.
 
My point was that the chances of getting injured (other than your pride) by getting hit with a tennis ball are close to nothing. If these prima donnas in tennis played some other sports they'd see what the term "dirty play" really meant. This is one of the reasons why tennis isn't more popular. It's just too staid and polite. Even in cricket, which is an equally traditional sport, guys get hit in the head with a ball as hard as a rock. They don't complain, they wear helmets. Maybe Berdych should wear a helmet next time he plays.

Tennis is too staid and polite, but you and others are insisting that Berdych must shake hands at the end of a match or die a penniless journey man with no sponsorships???

Don't get it...

You all act as if he did something unforgivable!

Also, Almagro is known to be a hot head!
 
Almagro hit a legit shot. Offered an apology immediately JUST IN CASE his opponent thought there might have been malice. I think we know what region you live in. And now doubting how much tennis you've played.

Thank you. This one is easy.

Yea ok tuff guy, whatever you say...

Unless you live in South Central, you probably live a soft and easy life...

In your world I guess it's "legit" to hit a 90mph forehand straight at someone at the net or condone 'horse play' between an old man and a boy in a shower???
 
Tennis is too staid and polite, but you and others are insisting that Berdych must shake hands at the end of a match or die a penniless journey man with no sponsorships???

Don't get it...

You all act as if he did something unforgivable!

Also, Almagro is known to be a hot head!

People shake hands after every sport. Even boxing.
 
Poppycock.

You are a blind, fanatic, delusional Berdych-stan.


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Well said!
 
This is funny.

Let say I hit toward you and actually the ball hit you. I raise my hand and say
"I'm sorry". What do you think I meant by that?

"sorry I didn't mean to hit you?" or "sorry I had to go for that shot" or "I understand you might feel pain or upset at least temporarily." ?

I don't see what is funny.

As I said earlier in the post, many claim that it is fine to hit the ball at your opponent to win the point.

So "sorry I didn't mean to hit you?" or "sorry I had to go for that shot" shouldn't even matter.

If you believed something was correct and fine, does it matter whether it was either a)unintentional or b)It was your only option?

You wouldn't say, "sorry, I didn't mean to hit an ace". "Sorry, I had to go for an ace." "Sorry, for upsetting you because I hit an ace".

If you believe something is correct, there should be no need to apologize.
 
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I don't see what is funny.

As I said earlier in the post, many claim that it is fine to hit the ball at your opponent to win the point.

So "sorry I didn't mean to hit you?" or "sorry I had to go for that shot" shouldn't even matter.

If you believed something was correct and fine, does it matter whether it was either a)unintentional or b)It was your only option.

You wouldn't say, "sorry, I didn't mean to hit an ace". "Sorry, I had to go for an ace." "Sorry, for upsetting you because I hit an ace".

If you believed something is correct. There should be no need to apologize.

Players apologize all the time for winning points from lucky net chords. If they really felt they didn't deserve the point then they should've conceded it. Then they wouldn't need to apologize. He apologized because felt it was the polite thing to do, just as in the case of the lucky net-chord.
 
Yea ok tuff guy, whatever you say...

Unless you live in South Central, you probably live a soft and easy life...

In your world I guess it's "legit" to hit a 90mph forehand straight at someone at the net or condone 'horse play' between an old man and a boy in a shower???

How could anyone come up with an analogy like that in a million years with respect to this issue?
 
I hope Nadal lasers him intentionally with a couple of rockets, would love to see his reaction. Get off the court if you can't handle the shots, you pathetic wuss.
 
Players apologize all the time for winning points from lucky net chords. If they really felt they didn't deserve the point then they should've conceded it. Then they wouldn't need to apologize. He apologized because felt it was the polite thing to do, just as in the case of the lucky net-chord.

I don't think "net-chord winners" is a good counter-example. Here are my reasons. And "deserving of a point" is different from "socially acceptable".

1) The actuality of a phenomenon that player apologize for lucky net chords, imo, is insufficient to disprove that apologies are unnecessary for actions believed to be "correct".

First of all, there are many situations where players do not apologize for actions deemed perfectly fine in tennis. ie: hitting an ace, a go-for-broke lucky forehand winner, shanking a winner, etc.

I would be intrigued to find an example, other than net chord winners, where players apologize for perfectly fine shots. Relying on one phenomenon to disprove something (aside from mathematical theorems) would not be very convincing.

2) The nature of the apology is different.

Why do players apologize for net chords? I know you said it is the polite thing to do. There are many ways to be polite, and apologizing for something one believes to be right does not seem to be the best option. I don't apologize when I meet people. I say other polite things.

Possible causes for players apologizing for net-chords:
a) They are trying to get on the right side of the crowd because it ruins the crowd's entertainment value of the rally.
b) It is an unintentional disruption of the flow of play.
c) It is tradition and players simply follow it.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=310470
This is a good thread to illustrate what other posters here think about players apologizing for net chords.

In fact, many people are even debating whether it is necessary to apologize for net chords. I wonder how many people are debating whether apologies are necessary for hitting someone?

In contrast, why do players apologize for hitting someone? Is it because it is simply tradition, and they don't think hitting someone is wrong? Or do they apologize because they caused physical harm to somebody, and think it is not socially acceptable to hit someone, for any reason other than for self-defense?
 
Yea ok tuff guy, whatever you say...

Unless you live in South Central, you probably live a soft and easy life...

In your world I guess it's "legit" to hit a 90mph forehand straight at someone at the net or condone 'horse play' between an old man and a boy in a shower???

There's quite some difference between nailing a weak volleyer because that's your best option during a tennis game and molesting a child. In fact, they aren't even related in the slightest bit.
 
So you people would prefer we remove all niceties and pleasantries from the sport, even if its just done as a custom? Then why bother with shaking the umpires hand, meeting together at the net for the toss, giving interviews and pressers, signalling new balls, saying sorry after catching a toss, and numerous other things?

Lets just make them go out screaming and shouting at each other ready for battle. In fact why bother with the obscenity rule as well, if we want to see their real emotions let them swear like a sailor. And let the person who shouts the loudest win the argument.

Its so sad people think there's no place for being 'nice' anymore.
 
So you people would prefer we remove all niceties and pleasantries from the sport, even if its just done as a custom? Then why bother with shaking the umpires hand, meeting together at the net for the toss, giving interviews and pressers, signalling new balls, saying sorry after catching a toss, and numerous other things?

Lets just make them go out screaming and shouting at each other ready for battle. In fact why bother with the obscenity rule as well, if we want to see their real emotions let them swear like a sailor. And let the person who shouts the loudest win the argument.

Its so sad people think there's no place for being 'nice' anymore.

No, that's not what we are [all] saying. I am saying that Almagro's shot was a good shot, especially for the circumstance. Berdych took the risk by coming to the net, Almagro did nothing wrong. Why should Berdych refuse to shake his hand?

Also, his post-match interview was quite amusing. (to paraphrase, don't know exact words): "when someone's aiming for your head and wants to hit you, he's going to try to no matter what." :lol:

He hit your arm, Berdy, not your head.
 
There's quite some difference between nailing a weak volleyer because that's your best option during a tennis game and molesting a child. In fact, they aren't even related in the slightest bit.

I am provoking some arguments against the "it's ok to intentionally hit someone to win a point" opinion, but even I agree that it is too big of a straw man fallacy to exaggerate that much lol.
 
No, that's not what we are [all] saying. I am saying that Almagro's shot was a good shot, especially for the circumstance. Berdych took the risk by coming to the net, Almagro did nothing wrong. Why should Berdych refuse to shake his hand?

Also, his post-match interview was quite amusing. (to paraphrase, don't know exact words): "when someone's aiming for your head and wants to hit you, he's going to try to no matter what." :lol:

He hit your arm, Berdy, not your head.

I think you misunderstood me. I agree that Almagro did nothing wrong and Berdych behaved like an idiot, both in his wrong excuses (when everyone agrees its the right shot to play) and refusing to shake hands. But there are people defending him and claiming shaking hands is not needed anyway.

I think Berdych himself would have hit the same shot and not felt bad about it, and he probably knows it.
 
I think you misunderstood me. I agree that Almagro did nothing wrong and Berdych behaved like an idiot, both in his wrong excuses (when everyone agrees its the right shot to play) and refusing to shake hands. But there are people defending him and claiming shaking hands is not needed anyway.

I think Berdych himself would have hit the same shot and not felt bad about it, and he probably knows it.

IMO, hitting someone by accident (with an apology after) is a perfectly fine act. (And Almagro did seem to have hit Berdych by accident, as I mentioned in post a few pages earlier).

However, many claim that hitting someone on purpose is perfectly fine. The reason provided to support this premise is that it is within the rules. If so, then I don't see why not shaking hands should be frowned on. It also does not conflict with the rules. However, IMO, both are not good acts of sportsmanship, as within the rules is different from socially acceptable.
 
I don't think "net-chord winners" is a good counter-example. Here are my reasons. And "deserving of a point" is different from "socially acceptable".

1) The actuality of a phenomenon that player apologize for lucky net chords, imo, is insufficient to disprove that apologies are unnecessary for actions believed to be "correct".

First of all, there are many situations where players do not apologize for actions deemed perfectly fine in tennis. ie: hitting an ace, a go-for-broke lucky forehand winner, shanking a winner, etc.

I would be intrigued to find an example, other than net chord winners, where players apologize for perfectly fine shots. Relying on one phenomenon to disprove something (aside from mathematical theorems) would not be very convincing.

2) The nature of the apology is different.

Why do players apologize for net chords? I know you said it is the polite thing to do. There are many ways to be polite, and apologizing for something one believes to be right does not seem to be the best option. I don't apologize when I meet people. I say other polite things.

Possible causes for players apologizing for net-chords:
a) They are trying to get on the right side of the crowd because it ruins the crowd's entertainment value of the rally.
b) It is an unintentional disruption of the flow of play.
c) It is tradition and players simply follow it.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=310470
This is a good thread to illustrate what other posters here think about players apologizing for net chords.

In fact, many people are even debating whether it is necessary to apologize for net chords. I wonder how many people are debating whether apologies are necessary for hitting someone?

In contrast, why do players apologize for hitting someone? Is it because it is simply tradition, and they don't think hitting someone is wrong? Or do they apologize because they caused physical harm to somebody, and think it is not socially acceptable to hit someone, for any reason other than for self-defense?

Is it possible this is why he apologized?

"Physical harm"? You're kidding aren't you?

Whether aiming a shot at someone in tennis is "wrong" is debatable. It's something that can happen in the sport. There is nothing in the rules, that I'm aware of, that makes it an illegal action. It just doesn't happen a lot (at least in pro tennis).
In cricket, it isn't uncommon for bowlers to aim to hit batsmen in the head. It is not illegal. This action can be seen as "not socially acceptable" , especially considering that there is a chance of severe head injury. It is something that batsmen can potentially face. However,there are no apologies.
Why? Probably because it happens more often and it is something that, potentially, can be part of playing the game. Just as in tennis. If they do happen to hit the batsman, then they probably will apologize. Not for trying to hit him, but because he actually did hit him. That is- it was the right thing to do to apologize. Bowlers will continue to "bowl bouncers" at batsmen because it can be part of the game.

Why did he apologize? Maybe because it is something that isn't commonly seen in tennis, and something that may have been misconstrued as a malicious act on his part.
 
There's quite some difference between nailing a weak volleyer because that's your best option during a tennis game and molesting a child. In fact, they aren't even related in the slightest bit.

Exactly. But some posters here think Almagro's act is in the same ball-park. Just astonishing really.
 
IMO, hitting someone by accident (with an apology after) is a perfectly fine act. (And Almagro did seem to have hit Berdych by accident, as I mentioned in post a few pages earlier).

However, many claim that hitting someone on purpose is perfectly fine. The reason provided to support this premise is that it is within the rules. If so, then I don't see why not shaking hands should be frowned on. It also does not conflict with the rules. However, IMO, both are not good acts of sportsmanship, as within the rules is different from socially acceptable.

I don't consider it "poor sportsmanship" if a player hits me at net with a shot. It's happened on quite a few occasions. Whether it's from a groundstroke or a high volley/smash, it is something that a player at net can potentially face.
After being hit on these occasions, the offending player has always apologized, and I have always accepted. Remember, we're talking about 1 top pro hitting another. Not 1 top pro hitting an old man or a young kid.
 
I thought the crowd went way overboard with the booing. There's a good chance these two just don't like each other. Almagro for one is probably one of the least liked guys on tour and that might have contributed to Berdych not shaking his hand. I for one, enjoyed the little drama between the two. The crowd should have just shut up during the on court interview.
 
I thought the crowd went way overboard with the booing. There's a good chance these two just don't like each other. Almagro for one is probably one of the least liked guys on tour and that might have contributed to Berdych not shaking his hand. I for one, enjoyed the little drama between the two. The crowd should have just shut up during the on court interview.

I will happily bet that Berdych wont get booed on Rod Laver tomorrow. I can guarantee that everyone will be over it by then.
 
Is it possible this is why he apologized?

"Physical harm"? You're kidding aren't you?
No I'm not. I haven't looked up the definition of physical harm though. Not sure if a 90mph tennis ball hit at someone from 10-15 feet counts as physical harm. I don't know, it might not have hurt or maybe he just felt pain emotionally, and not physically lol.

Whether aiming a shot at someone in tennis is "wrong" is debatable. It's something that can happen in the sport. There is nothing in the rules, that I'm aware of, that makes it an illegal action. It just doesn't happen a lot (at least in pro tennis).
In cricket, it isn't uncommon for bowlers to aim to hit batsmen in the head. It is not illegal. This action can be seen as "not socially acceptable" , especially considering that there is a chance of severe head injury. It is something that batsmen can potentially face. However,there are no apologies.
Why? Probably because it happens more often and it is something that, potentially, can be part of playing the game. Just as in tennis. If they do happen to hit the batsman, then they probably will apologize. Not for trying to hit him, but because he actually did hit him. That is- it was the right thing to do to apologize. Bowlers will continue to "bowl bouncers" at batsmen because it can be part of the game.

Why did he apologize? Maybe because it is something that isn't commonly seen in tennis, and something that may have been misconstrued as a malicious act on his part.

Again, as I stated in my earlier posts, I agree that it is within the rules to drill someone with a ball. I have never debated this.

As for cricket, that is interesting. I don't really watch cricket often, so I didn't know that bouncers were meant to physically hit the batsmen, like a tennis player intentionally trying to hit someone (which was what I was arguing as being socially unacceptable).

I thought that they were meant to bounce up to the height or area near the batmen's head height, but again I didn't know they were trying to cause physical contact with the person's body like a tennis player trying to peg someone on purpose (again, as I stated in most of my posts here, I'm not saying Almagro tried to hit Berdych).

And as a side note, very rarely do tennis players apologize for barely missing a person. They also apologize only when they hit someone. So I don't see that as an issue.
 
I don't consider it "poor sportsmanship" if a player hits me at net with a shot. It's happened on quite a few occasions. Whether it's from a groundstroke or a high volley/smash, it is something that a player at net can potentially face.
After being hit on these occasions, the offending player has always apologized, and I have always accepted. Remember, we're talking about 1 top pro hitting another. Not 1 top pro hitting an old man or a young kid.

Just to be clear, again, I am arguing that trying to hit someone on purpose is socially unacceptable.

I would be fine too if someone hit me at net by accident and apologized.

What I asked in my initial post(page 8 ) was: If you intentionally hit someone, and think it is right. Then why do you apologize?

One would effectively be saying, "Sorry, I hit you on purpose. And I think it is perfectly correct. But I'm still apologizing although I think it is right."
 
No I'm not. I haven't looked up the definition of physical harm though. Not sure if a 90mph tennis ball hit at someone from 10-15 feet counts as physical harm. I don't know, it might not have hurt or maybe he just felt pain emotionally, and not physically lol.



Again, as I stated in my earlier posts, I agree that it is within the rules to drill someone with a ball. I have never debated this.

As for cricket, that is interesting. I don't really watch cricket often, so I didn't know that bouncers were meant to physically hit the batsmen, like a tennis player intentionally trying to hit someone (which was what I was arguing as being socially unacceptable).

I thought that they were meant to bounce up to the height or area near the batmen's head height, but again I didn't know they were trying to cause physical contact with the person's body like a tennis player trying to peg someone on purpose (again, as I stated in most of my posts here, I'm not saying Almagro tried to hit Berdych).

And as a side note, very rarely do tennis players apologize for barely missing a person. They also apologize only when they hit someone. So I don't see that as an issue.

Bouncers are primarily used to intimidate batsmen. Some bowlers may try to hit the batsman, or won't be too fussed if that happens.

PS. If I barely miss a player at net (with the intention of passing him), I always apologize. I don't usually try to hit a player at net, but will do so if the other player has a go at me first. I don't personally think there's anything wrong with aiming at a player, but I find there are usually better ways of winning a point.
 
Just to be clear, again, I am arguing that trying to hit someone on purpose is socially unacceptable.

I would be fine too if someone hit me at net by accident and apologized.

What I asked in my initial post(page 8 ) was: If you intentionally hit someone, and think it is right. Then why do you apologize?

One would effectively be saying, "Sorry, I hit you on purpose. And I think it is perfectly correct. But I'm still apologizing although I think it is right."

Again, I think players apologize for this kind of action because, in tennis, it is seen as the right/polite thing to do (and they don't want to be seen as some kind of douch). They probably don't think it is wrong to hit someone like that and they feel it is a legitimate way to win a point. This is all assuming that Almagro tried to hit him. He might have just hit it up the centre to minimize his chances of hitting it out.
 
There's quite some difference between nailing a weak volleyer because that's your best option during a tennis game and molesting a child. In fact, they aren't even related in the slightest bit.

No...
West coast guy also defended coach Paterno in another thread, that's why I brought the child molestation up.
 
I will happily bet that Berdych wont get booed on Rod Laver tomorrow. I can guarantee that everyone will be over it by then.

I don't know about that, hopefully you are right so the players just can go to the business at hand. If they boo, hopefully Berdy will play with a me against the world attitude. More drama. :)

Either way, I hopeboth play well. This is a dangeous match for Nadal if he doesn't lift his level.
 
I don't know about that, hopefully you are right so the players just can go to the business at hand. If they boo, hopefully Berdy will play with a me against the world attitude. More drama. :)

Either way, I hopeboth play well. This is a dangeous match for Nadal if he doesn't lift his level.

Fans cannot boo DURING the points. Hence it should be no bother to Tomas Bad Boy Berdych! :)
 
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