Thoughts on his Forehand?

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
Meh, if it works it works. But...same questions I always ask of coaches is, when a young player comes to you (like this player, Sock, or such) with a non-typical forehand...you gotta wonder who the hell developed that in the early stages...and what do you do with it? Even at academy with my son there were some really whack strokes there, but basic mechanics of them are enforced, not the overall form.

Always interesting to me anyway.
 

SinjinCooper

Hall of Fame
Ultimately, not all that different from a Macci style pat the dog FH. Still lays the arm back...just higher. Still c0cks the wrist so that forward pull + inertia will create the lag and snap effect...just c0cks it a lot further.

Will this be as efficient as a textbook one? Obviously not. But if he's able to get into position to uncoil it, it shouldn't hurt results much.

But if the performance ceiling is 5.0 or 5.5 instead of 7.0, I doubt it changes his life.
 

dennis

Rookie
looks like he doesn't swing 'inside out', ie his arm is far away from his body throughout. I've seen Roddick's backhand criticised for the same reason. Never seen someone hit a forehand like this before interestingly
 

projectone7

Rookie
Ultimately, not all that different from a Macci style pat the dog FH. Still lays the arm back...just higher. Still c0cks the wrist so that forward pull + inertia will create the lag and snap effect...just c0cks it a lot further.

Will this be as efficient as a textbook one? Obviously not. But if he's able to get into position to uncoil it, it shouldn't hurt results much.

But if the performance ceiling is 5.0 or 5.5 instead of 7.0, I doubt it changes his life.
What is the NTRP of the average D3 singles player?
 

nvr2old

Hall of Fame
Yep - see my prior post in the ATP vs WTA thread on form in golf and tennis - results matter- ball doesn't know the difference on how it was hit - form is overrated greatly at times.
 

coupergear

Professional
Son of Lendl. Too big and loopy the problems will come when the pace picks up he won't be able to get through that whole motion. Timing will be difficult. Just needs to clean up the backswing when he's pointing the racket way back behind him. A lot of players have gone through an evolution of having a much bigger stroke as a younger player and then tightening It Up Overtime. I think as Juniors it's just a strength issue and kids need to use big momentum Loop just to get the racket moving and get any kind of pace.
 
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Attila_the_gorilla

Guest
looks like he doesn't swing 'inside out', ie his arm is far away from his body throughout
Yeah that's what really stands out. My guess is he was desperate to force himself to hit a straight arm forehand and this is the result.
 
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Chadillac

Guest
What kind of timing problems? Also how would they affect his game?
Fast flat serves and deep groundstrokes. Reminds me of delpo. Im sure he would of changed if those were problems.

Meh, if it works it works. But...same questions I always ask of coaches is, when a young player comes to you (like this player, Sock, or such) with a non-typical forehand...you gotta wonder who the hell developed that in the early stages...and what do you do with it? Even at academy with my son there were some really whack strokes there, but basic mechanics of them are enforced, not the overall form.

Always interesting to me anyway.
It looks natural to me. The last thing you want to do is reteach natural students to "proper/pretty" mechanics, they know what they are doing without even thinking about it. It usually a step back

Its a huge gamble as a coach to change someones strokes that work. You can focus on how to make it better but never change them to the "textbook fh" that 10000000 other people are also teaching.
 

meltphace 6

Hall of Fame
What kind of timing problems? Also how would they affect his game?
Forehands when ball on the rise. Changing direction to cross court from opponent's down the line ball. I'd like to see this player's neutral and defensive forehands -> point play (no best of).
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
It looks natural to me. The last thing you want to do is reteach natural students to "proper/pretty" mechanics, they know what they are doing without even thinking about it. It usually a step back

Its a huge gamble as a coach to change someones strokes that work. You can focus on how to make it better but never change them to the "textbook fh" that 10000000 other people are also teaching.
Agree. It is a tough call. In most instances I would say to re-tool if prep is too long (might cause late hitting on fast pace), there is an odd hitch, or such.

I have had a lot of discussions because my son has a bit of an unorthodox forehand, but all the check marks are there and it's comes off the racquet well. I've had some coaches swear more (as you mention) proper/prettier mechanics are the only way, but again he hits it well and competes. We have a few players at clinic in the same boat. The main focus is always footwork, prep, and timing.
 
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