Tiers of the Masters+ Events

[FrontHeadlock]

Just like the Majors have a pecking order, the Masters+ Events (the Masters events + the WTF) also have a pecking order. Here is how I rate them. Taking comments and abuse.

Tier 1A

• WTF

Tier 1B

• Indian Wells
• Rome
• Cincy

Tier 2

• Miami
• Monte Carlo
• Canada

Tier 3

• Shanghai
• Madrid

Tier 4

• Paris

 

[Lleytonstation]

yep.

 

[clout]

You can't really rank them like that because at the end of the day, aren't they all worth 1000 points.

 

[ibbi]

Despite its long and storied history Monte Carlo has literally been downgraded. It is barely a 1000 event anymore. I'd probably put it in Tier 4, move Madrid up to 2 because they're trying really hard to make it into a big deal, and put Paris down in Tier 7 or 8.

 

[Born_to_slice]

Shanghai and Madrid (roofs) are definitely higher tier than MC and Canada. Cincy not tier one. Rome also not tier one, because of crappy schedule that almost always makes the player with more rest the winner.

 

[FrontHeadlock]

You can't really rank them like that because at the end of the day, aren't they all worth 1000 points.

Does that mean you're just a slave to the points?

What if the ATP came out and gave 3,000 points to the winner of the WTF? Is that now more prestigious than Wimbledon?

 

[weakera]

Tier 1: Laver Cup, Basel

Tier 2: Cincinnati

Tier 3: Halle, Dubai

 

[FrontHeadlock]

Despite its long and storied history Monte Carlo has literally been downgraded. It is barely a 1000 event anymore. I'd probably put it in Tier 4, move Madrid up to 2 because they're trying really hard to make it into a big deal, and put Paris down in Tier 7 or 8.

Sup Ion, how's it going little breh?

 

[clout]

Does that mean you're just a slave to the points?

What if the ATP came out and gave 3,000 points to the winner of the WTF? Is that now more prestigious than Wimbledon?

Well that's not going to happens so you don't ever have to worry about that occurring. At the end of the day, they're all worth 1000 ranking points if you win so what's even the difference

 

[ibbi]

Sup Ion, how's it going little breh?

Not blue.

Though I'd add too that the Rogers Cup has been treated almost like a second class event the last few years as well.

 

[FrontHeadlock]

Not blue.

Though I'd add too that the Rogers Cup has been treated almost like a second class event the last few years as well.

Yes definitely. First of all it switches venues every year which is weird.

Second, the lead-in to a Major is usually going to be more prestigious than the tournament before it.

Third, isn't the surface at Cincy closer to the USO surface?

 

[clayqueen]

Just like the Majors have a pecking order, the Masters+ Events (the Masters events + the WTF) also have a pecking order. Here is how I rate them. Taking comments and abuse.

Tier 1A

• WTF

Tier 1B

• Indian Wells
• Rome
• Cincy

Tier 2

• Miami
• Monte Carlo
• Canada

Tier 3

• Shanghai
• Madrid

Tier 4

• Paris

 

[Yugram]

Yes definitely. First of all it switches venues every year which is weird.

Second, the lead-in to a Major is usually going to be more prestigious than the tournament before it.

Third, isn't the surface at Cincy closer to the USO surface?

No

 

[Yugram]

I’d say only IW and Paris stand out of the Masters pack. The former feels bigger than the rest and the latter smaller than the rest.

I don’t know how exactly you differ Miami from, let’s say, Cincinnati in importance.

 

[FrontHeadlock]

I’d say only IW and Paris stand out of the Masters pack. The former feels bigger than the rest and the latter smaller than the rest.

I don’t know how exactly you differ Miami from, let’s say, Cincinnati in importance.

I suppose one way to do it is to look over a period of time and see which events seeded players are more likely to miss. Revealed preferences.

Paris for sure is the weakest. Honestly it should probably be a 500.

 

[TennisProExpert]

Just like the Majors have a pecking order, the Masters+ Events (the Masters events + the WTF) also have a pecking order. Here is how I rate them. Taking comments and abuse.

Tier 1A

• WTF

Tier 1B

• Indian Wells
• Rome
• Cincy

Tier 2

• Miami
• Monte Carlo
• Canada

Tier 3

• Shanghai
• Madrid

Tier 4

• Paris

God tier:
Wimbledon - World Cup of tennis

Elite tier:
Australian Open
USO
RG

Tier 1:
ATP finals

Tier 1a:
Indian Wells
Rome
Cincinatti

Tier 2:
Miami
Canada
Madrid
Shanghai
Olympics

Tier 3:
Paris
Monte Carlo
Dubai
Basel
Barcelona
Queens

 

[GabeT]

All that matters are the points

 

[Beckerserve]

Just like the Majors have a pecking order, the Masters+ Events (the Masters events + the WTF) also have a pecking order. Here is how I rate them. Taking comments and abuse.

Tier 1A

• WTF

Tier 1B

• Indian Wells
• Rome
• Cincy

Tier 2

• Miami
• Monte Carlo
• Canada

Tier 3

• Shanghai
• Madrid

Tier 4

• Paris

Tier 1
IW
Rome
miami
Canada
Tier 2
Madrid
Cincinatti
Tier 3
WTF
Monte carlo
Shanghai
Paris

 

[Beckerserve]

Just like the Majors have a pecking order, the Masters+ Events (the Masters events + the WTF) also have a pecking order. Here is how I rate them. Taking comments and abuse.

Tier 1A

• WTF

Tier 1B

• Indian Wells
• Rome
• Cincy

Tier 2

• Miami
• Monte Carlo
• Canada

Tier 3

• Shanghai
• Madrid

Tier 4

• Paris

WTF are less important than M1000s. Ask any pro player.

 

[DSH]

At the end of the day, all those tournaments worth the same.

 

[FrontHeadlock]

At the end of the day, all those tournaments worth the same.

Just like 2 Paris titles are "worth" 1 Wimbledon, right?

 

[BackhandDTL]

God tier:
Wimbledon - World Cup of tennis

Elite tier:
Australian Open
USO
RG

Tier 1:
ATP finals

Tier 1a:
Indian Wells
Rome
Cincinatti

Tier 2:
Miami
Canada
Madrid
Shanghai
Olympics

Tier 3:
Paris
Monte Carlo
Dubai
Basel
Barcelona
Queens

World Cup of tennis is kinda ridiculous. It’s arguably the most prestigious or whatever, but wouldn’t call it that

 

[TheNachoMan]

Indian Wells should be a slam. New York doesn’t deserve it

 

[bluetrain4]

I thought Paris should be higher. Isn't (or wasn't) it the premier event of the fall season outside the ATP Finals?

 

[Third Serve]

I’d say only IW and Paris stand out of the Masters pack. The former feels bigger than the rest and the latter smaller than the rest.

I don’t know how exactly you differ Miami from, let’s say, Cincinnati in importance.

Oh that’s easy. One is the Real Slam and the other isn’t.

 

[r2473]

Tier 1: Any tournament Federer plays in

Tier 2: Any tournament without Federer but with Nadal

Tier 3: Any tournament without Federer or Nadal but with Djokovic

Tier 4: Any tournament without any of the Big 3

 

[Third Serve]

Tier 1:
Basel
Halle
Dubai
Wimbledon
Cincy

Tier 2:
AO
USO
WTF
Indian Wells

Tier 3:
Miami
Hamburg
Madrid
Shanghai

Tier 4:
Paris
Canada

Tier 5:
Rome
Monte-Carlo
Barcelona
RG

 

[GabeT]

Just like 2 Paris titles are "worth" 1 Wimbledon, right?

In terms of points, yes

 

[DSH]

Just like 2 Paris titles are "worth" 1 Wimbledon, right?

Are you really comparing ATP tournaments to Grand Slams, the only top-tier events in the sport?

 

[skaj]

t1 ATP Finals
t2 Rome, Miami
t3 Indian Wells, Monte Carlo, Madrid
t4 Canada, Cincinnati, Shanghai, Paris

 

[beast of mallorca]

Just like the Majors have a pecking order, the Masters+ Events (the Masters events + the WTF) also have a pecking order. Here is how I rate them. Taking comments and abuse.

Tier 1A

• WTF

Tier 1B

• Indian Wells
• Rome
• Cincy

Tier 2

• Miami
• Monte Carlo
• Canada

Tier 3

• Shanghai
• Madrid

Tier 4

• Paris

Is Cincy included because of Suresh ?

 

[FrontHeadlock]

Are you really comparing ATP tournaments to Grand Slams, the only top-tier events in the sport?

You can’t argue equivalency of points on the one hand, and then argue against equivalency of points on the other.

 

[DSH]

You can’t argue equivalency if points on the one hand, and then argue against equivalency of points on the other.

What would a tennis player or even you prefer if you are given the choice: win the Australian Open or win IW and Miami?
After all, a GS title and the combination of two Masters 1000 titles are worth the same, right?

 

[TennisProExpert]

World Cup of tennis is kinda ridiculous. It’s arguably the most prestigious or whatever, but wouldn’t call it that

It’s the main one and stands apart from the other slams.

 

[FrontHeadlock]

What would a tennis player or even you prefer if you are given the choice: win the Australian Open or win IW and Miami?
After all, a GS title and the combination of two Masters 1000 titles are worth the same, right?

Well this is what I’m saying: 2000 points isn’t always the same as 2000 points just like 1000 points isn’t always the same as 1000 points.

 

[BackhandDTL]

It’s the main one and stands apart from the other slams.

What does that even mean

 

[FrontHeadlock]

Rethinking this, I could be persuaded to swap Monte Carlo and Madrid, though Nadal's position as the clay GOAT and his preference for MC says something imo.

 

[TheNachoMan]

All are worth more than the Olympics

 

[FrontHeadlock]

All are worth more than the Olympics

I will listen to any and all arguments here except as they relate to the Paris Masters. It's basically a 500. I don't even think people who win it actually want to win it.

 

[TheNachoMan]

I will listen to any and all arguments here except as they relate to the Paris Masters. It's basically a 500. I don't even think people who win it actually want to win it.

The only thing I don’t like about is that ugly trophy.

 

[skaj]

All are worth more than the Olympics

Unless Djoko/Federer wins it, of course.

 

[TheNachoMan]

Unless Djoko/Federer wins it, of course.

Yes, I will reevaluate this position after Paris 2024.

 

[skaj]

Yes, I will reevaluate this position after Paris 2024.

Naturally.

 

[FrontHeadlock]

The only thing I don’t like about is that ugly trophy.

Tennis Abstract analyzes the weakness of the 2020 Cincinnati Masters, but unwittingly proves that the Paris Masters is a total joke

Lmao seven of the 10 weakest Masters since 1990 have taken place at the Paris Masters! Reminder, Djoker has 5 titles there. Fed, Nadal and Murray have a combined 2 because nobody cares about it. ----------------------------------------------...

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[T007]

Tier 1: Laver Cup, Basel

Tier 2: Cincinnati

Tier 3: Halle, Dubai

Tier 1- Belgrade 1
Tier 2-Belgrade 2
Tier 3-Barcelona.

 

[Subway Tennis]

Just like the Majors have a pecking order, the Masters+ Events (the Masters events + the WTF) also have a pecking order. Here is how I rate them. Taking comments and abuse.

Tier 1A

• WTF

Tier 1B

• Indian Wells
• Rome
• Cincy

Tier 2

• Miami
• Monte Carlo
• Canada

Tier 3

• Shanghai
• Madrid

Tier 4

• Paris

Very interesting perspective on it. The creation of the m1000 series was a great way to establish parity and create a sense of excitement. The points are equal but it feels the events are not quite on par.

I do worry about Miami. That event has changed from being (arguably) the fifth biggest tournament all the way down to really struggling in Indian Wells' shadow. It has been hit by shocking luck in the last four years, too.