Tim Henman about Djokovic

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Former British No.1 Tim Henman has said it is only a matter of time before Novak Djokovic is considered alongside Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal as one of the greatest players of all time.

"At the moment it's purely a numbers game," Henman said. "Nadal has won 14 Grand Slams and Federer has 17.

"Djokovic has won eight but in the not too distant future that number is going to climb to 11, 12, 13 and maybe more.

"When he does that, absolutely, he will go down as one of the greatest to have ever played the game."

"Djokovic is the machine," Henman said. "It's the way he's hitting the ball from the baseline, how aggressively he plays and how he does it with so few unforced errors.

"And then his movement and his athleticism - his ability to turn defence into attack is as good as I have ever seen."

If Djokovic were to continue his run of form, he could become the first player to win all four Grand Slams in a season since Rod Laver in 1969, but Henman said such a feat is an even greater challenge in the modern game.

"In theory it's possible, he's looking so strong at the moment, but I think it's unlikely," he said.

"The odds are against him because to win seven best-of-five matches is difficult enough but to do that four times in a year and remain injury-free is very, very difficult.

"Laver was the last man to do it and that was when three of the four Slams were on grass and in a very different era. Djokovic has never won the French so that's still his biggest challenge - it's tough to look past Nadal when you see his record there."

"Nole is a complete player. We have never seen a player who moves so well on the court and who is able to hit the ball in this way. In addition, he is confident. He feels as if no one can beat him at this time. There are no weaknesses in his tennis: this is for the best."

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He IS one of the greatest of all time. Of course he is. 8+ slams, 23+ masters, 4+ WTF, 150+ weeks at #1, 3+ year ends at #1, 50+ titles. At only 27.
Anyone who does not think he is one of the greatest knows nothing about tennis.
 
He IS one of the greatest of all time. Of course he is. 8+ slams, 23+ masters, 4+ WTF, 150+ weeks at #1, 3+ year ends at #1, 50+ titles. At only 27.
Anyone who does not think he is one of the greatest knows nothing about tennis.

Yes he is, but he talks alongside Federer and Nadal.

The weird thing for me, is how many of these former players puts Nadal alongside Federer, but no mentioning of Sampras. But that is OT
 
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I think Djokovic is already in the same league as Nadal, it's just that Nadal is superior at one slam wich makes this 6 gap. But everywhere else they are very close and djoko has already surpassed him in several and is likely too surpass him even more.
 
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I think Djokovic is already in the same league as Nadal, it's just the 6 slam gap. But everywhere else they are very close and djoko has already surpassed him in several and is likely too surpass him even more.

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Take away 6 slams from Novak and what are you left with? TWO. Quit while you're ahead bro.
 
Yes he is, but he talks alongside Federer and Nadal.

The weird thing for me, is how many of these former players puts Nadal alongside Federer, but no mentioning of Sampras. But that is OT

It's the constant hyping of the now. That's what makes it through in the media. The 90's champions don't create the same excitement anymore.

That's naturally why Djokovic is the it-thing at the moment.

No doubt he'll go down as one of the best, and he'll improve his legacy further. But when someone is far ahead of the field, as now, people forget how quickly it can turn.

Fed sure looked good to go for some time when he won the AO 10. So in one year, things may have changed quite a bit.

Enter the Sock-era.
 
It's the constant hyping of the now. That's what makes it through in the media. The 90's champions don't create the same excitement anymore.

That's naturally why Djokovic is the it-thing at the moment.

No doubt he'll go down as one of the best, and he'll improve his legacy further. But when someone is far ahead of the field, as now, people forget how quickly it can turn.

Fed sure looked good to go for some time when he won the AO 10. So in one year, things may have changed quite a bit.

Enter the Sock-era.

Not before the era of Muzziah. He's a very talented player and will be extremely dangerous at Rola.. LOOOL I just can't bring myself to say it.

Good luck to the chap at Wimbledon.
 
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Take away 6 slams from Novak and what are you left with? TWO. Quit while you're ahead bro.

Where did I take away his 6 slams :confused:

All I'm saying is Nadal has the 6 slams over him and 4 masters, but they are pretty much equal everywhere else or Djoko is better and is getting better at more (like year ends, masters e.g. already infront of him in weeks #1)

It's not such huge gap between them. The gap lies in RG.

In my view, djoko is very close to Nadal. But not quite there yet.

Federer on the other hand, is in his own league wich his resume tells, sampras is close too.

But let's not get into this too much. Tim Henman has said some good things.
 
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Where did I take away his 6 slams :confused:

All I'm saying is Nadal has the 6 slams over him and 4 masters, but they are pretty much equal everywhere else or Djoko is better and is getting better at more (like year ends, masters e.g. already infront of him in weeks #1)

It's not such huge gap between them. The gap lies in RG.

In my view, djoko is very close to Nadal.

It doesn't matter where the gap lies silly, a slam is a slam. You want to snatch those 5 AO titles? :D
 
Not before the era of Muzziah. He's a very talented player and will be extremely dangerous at Rola.. LOOOL I just can't bring myself to say it.

Good luck to the chap at Wimbledon.

Andy Murray—our Muzziah—will win the non-calendar-year-grand-slam ending with the Australian Open 2016, and then promptly retire (ahead of Djokovic in the GOAT-discussion!?).

This, naturally, leaves the scene for Jack Sock to go on a pitiless tear.
 
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Take away 6 slams from Novak and what are you left with? TWO. Quit while you're ahead bro.

That was a complete contradiction, wasn't it? It makes no sense whatsoever. The main reason WHY Djokovic and Nadal are not in the same category is precisely because of the 6 slam gap.

I suppose I should be telling someone else that. Not quoting you. You seem to understand perfectly.
 
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It's the constant hyping of the now. That's what makes it through in the media. The 90's champions don't create the same excitement anymore.

That's naturally why Djokovic is the it-thing at the moment.

No doubt he'll go down as one of the best, and he'll improve his legacy further. But when someone is far ahead of the field, as now, people forget how quickly it can turn.

Fed sure looked good to go for some time when he won the AO 10. So in one year, things may have changed quite a bit.

Enter the Sock-era.

Yeah, you are probably right.

But Sampras didn't quit too long ago. I feel he shouldn't be forgotten in the GOAT discussion as he, just like federer, has one of the greatest all-round resume. I mean you just can't forget the guy and what he accomplished. Very much like Federer.
 
Tim knows what he's talking about!

After all, he once took a set off Djokovic (2006 Rotterdam)! :wink:
 
Yeah, you are probably right.

But Sampras didn't quit too long ago. I feel he shouldn't be forgotten in the GOAT discussion as he, just like federer, has one of the greatest all-round resume. I mean you just can't forget the guy and what he accomplished. Very much like Federer.

Fully agreed.

We should pay our respects to the likes of Sampras, and even Borg, Laver Gonzales et al.

The media are (usually) pure sensationalists though, so they don't want any talk of such things.
 
That was a complete contradiction, wasn't it? It makes no sense whatsoever. The main reason WHY Djokovic and Nadal are not in the same category is precisely because of the 6 slam gap.

I suppose I should be telling someone else that. Not quoting you. You seem to understand perfectly.

I guess I left out the part that I don't consider slams to be everything. I rate versatility across all great achievements. Djokovic has surpassed him already in several, while he is up to surpass even more.

What's gonna be left for Nadal in his case is the major argument. That's why I consider Djoko to be closer to Nadal than some may think, despite having more slams.
 
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I guess I left out the part that I don't consider slams to be everything. I rate versatility across all great achievements. Djokovic has surpassed him already in several, while he is up to surpass even more.

What's gonna be left for Nadal in his case is the major argument. That's why I consider Djoko to be closer to Nadal than some may think.

According to timnz' updated list, Djokovic is closer to Nadal than Nadal is to Federer.
 
Let's not get crazy now, come on.

Djokovic is playing at a very high level, but his competition isn't exactly a masterclass like it was before. Federer is aging and Nadal is playing with as close to zero confidence as I have ever seen him. Not really a barometer for "best of all time".
 
That was a complete contradiction, wasn't it? It makes no sense whatsoever. The main reason WHY Djokovic and Nadal are not in the same category is precisely because of the 6 slam gap.

You can't explain reason to ND-18.He doesn't "get it." He is lodged too far up Djokovic's arse and is sadly worse than Chico in many ways. Cringeworthy stuff from him lately.
 
Djokos main rival is 34 years of age and well past his prime. And even against him Djoko loses, unless the surface is slow.

It's a weak era in tennis my friends.
 
You can't explain reason to ND-18.He doesn't "get it." He is lodged too far up Djokovic's arse and is sadly worse than Chico in many ways. Cringeworthy stuff from him lately.

Novak Djokovic is the best player in the world.
 
Fully agreed.

We should pay our respects to the likes of Sampras, and even Borg, Laver Gonzales et al.

The media are (usually) pure sensationalists though, so they don't want any talk of such things.

It's better for business if we think of today's stars as the greatest of all time.
 
Let's not get crazy now, come on.

Djokovic is playing at a very high level, but his competition isn't exactly a masterclass like it was before. Federer is aging and Nadal is playing with as close to zero confidence as I have ever seen him. Not really a barometer for "best of all time".

How's any of that Djokovic's problem? It always amazes me how little credit he gets for staying fit and healthy whereas we're supposed to feel sorry for Nadal for not taking care of his body as well and for Federer that he got "old". Well call me unsympathetic but I really couldn't give a f**k about any of that. Novak put in the hard miles and now he's reaping the awards. And as a fan, that is wonderful to see and richly deserved.
 
You can't explain reason to ND-18.He doesn't "get it." He is lodged too far up Djokovic's arse and is sadly worse than Chico in many ways. Cringeworthy stuff from him lately.

I think the whole fan base is going nuts. It's like a sickness that needs containing.
 
Feels like many are jumping on me. ''Just 6 slam gap'' came out stupid yes, but he is making up for a couple of those slams by achieving all-round and surpassing him, wich makes him closer.

Anyways, that slam gap is probably gonna close in, so doesn't matter in the end.
 
Novak Djokovic is the best player in the world.

He is, no question. But you have failed to get the point once again which is he is six slams behind Nadal. That is a huge gap. I am not saying Djokovic won't bridge that gap and get closer to Nadal's slam count(and that is assuming Nadal won't win any more slams) but right now that slam gap of six is too vast to put them in the same conversation. I know you want to make it otherwise, but you can't. Let Djokovic do more work first before you crown him Saint Djokovic.
 
Djokovic is already one of the greatest to have ever played the game. There aren't a dozen players that could be put ahead of him on any list. He's just angling for a higher spot at this point.
 
He is, no question. But you have failed to get the point once again which is he is six slams behind Nadal. That is a huge gap. I am not saying Djokovic won't bridge that gap and get closer to Nadal's slam count(and that is assuming Nadal won't win any more slams) but right now that slam gap of six is too vast to put them in the same conversation. I know you want to make it otherwise, but you can't. Let Djokovic do more work first before you crown him Saint Djokovic.

I like that tone more. Thanks.

As I said above, yes, it came out stupid from me, but I just hope you guys can understand what I'm trying to say with what Djoko is achieving all-round in comparasion to Nadal.
 
I like that tone more. Thanks.

As I said above, yes, it came out stupid from me, but I just hope you guys can understand what I'm trying to say with what Djoko is achieving all-round in comparasion to Nadal.

You're right in saying that apart from slams Djokovic is very comparable to Nadal, and in fact has more in many ways.

But it's those slams which really matter, and they are what make all the difference.

Novak will probably get more of those though, and end up closer to Nadal than he is now.
 
Feels like many are jumping on me. ''Just 6 slam gap'' came out stupid yes, but he is making up for a couple of those slams by achieving all-round and surpassing him, wich makes him closer.

Anyways, that slam gap is probably gonna close in, so doesn't matter in the end.

Stop trying to change the goalposts when you get called out time and time again. Nothing can make up for a six slam gap. THAT is the point. Those other things Djokovic has achieved would only come into play if he was within striking distance of Nadal's slam count but he isn't yet. Cool your jets and let Djokovic win more slams and then the conversation may be a whole different matter.
 
If Nadal wins this RG, no rational person would exclude him from #2 conversation. He is already #3 in my book behind Sampras.

You see, that is the thing. Even if Nadal wins one more slam than Pete, I wouldn't consider him above him.

1 slam doesn't make up for all the things Sampras has over him, not 2 either. Wich leads us too versatility, wich I (Note, ME,not speaking for everyone else) rate the highest. I'm not in this train that slams is be all and end all.
 
You see, that is the thing. Even if Nadal wins one more slam than Pete, I wouldn't consider him above him.

1 slam doesn't make up for all the things Sampras has over him, not 2 either. Wich leads us too versatility, wich I (Note, ME,not speaking for everyone else) rate the highest. I'm not in this train that slams is be all and end all.

YOU wouldn't but you would be in a very small minority.
 
You're right in saying that apart from slams Djokovic is very comparable to Nadal, and in fact has more in many ways.

But it's those slams which really matter, and they are what make all the difference.

Novak will probably get more of those though, and end up closer to Nadal than he is now.

You see , you understand, when someone can see past dislike of a poster or not in agreement, it is easier to understand.
 
I think Djokovic is already in the same league as Nadal, it's just that Nadal is superior at one slam wich makes this 6 gap.


Djokovic is in the same league as Nadal and Federer. Being in the same league does not mean the numbers have to be exactly the same. Yes Fedal have more slams than Djoko right now but 1st of all Djoko's career is not over (far from it if he hangs around as long as Ferrer/Fed are doing) also Djoko has 4 WTF vs zip for Nadal and already more weeks at #1. (He's also tie with Fed in master titles despite the fact he is much younger than him)
Same league doesn't mean equal achievements. There can be differences. It means players who have won a lot and dominated the tour. I cannot imagine how anyone could NOT put Djoko in that category with everything he's doing right now.
 
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YOU wouldn't but you would be in a very small minority.

Hmm really? You'd rank one more Grand Slam over almost double the amount of weeks at #1, 6 YE #1>3 YE #1, and 6 WTF's over 0 WTF's? I could easily see why people would still rate Sampras over Nadal in that situation.
 
YOU wouldn't but you would be in a very small minority.

Nice argument you got goin' there.

Tell that to 'em round-earthers in the 14th century.

Hmm really? You'd rank one more Grand Slam over almost double the amount of weeks at #1, 6 YE #1>3 YE #1, and 6 WTF's over 0 WTF's? I could easily see why people would still rate Sampras over Nadal in that situation.

Agreed. Totally acceptable. Like this isn't a thoroughly subjective exercise anyways.
 
If Nadal wins this RG, no rational person would exclude him from #2 conversation. He is already #3 in my book behind Sampras.

Good thing Rafa's done winning.

At this point further accomplishments on clay just make him look more 1 dimensional anyway. He dominated 1 surface. Sampras dominated 2 and was a far stronger #1.
 
Let's not get crazy now, come on.

Djokovic is playing at a very high level, but his competition isn't exactly a masterclass like it was before. Federer is aging and Nadal is playing with as close to zero confidence as I have ever seen him. Not really a barometer for "best of all time".

Lots of folks who don't like Novak are trying to undermine his current success by playing the 'weak era' card.

Truth be told, while the era may be weak , Novak is playing at multiple levels above the next closest tiers. So it really does not matter what level the other players are .

To beat current Novak , you need 2007-2010 Fedal and 2012 Murray. Not too many times in tennis history have so many peaks aligned. So, let us give credit where it is due.
 
Lots of folks who don't like Novak are trying to undermine his current success by playing the 'weak era' card.

Truth be told, while the era may be weak , Novak is playing at multiple levels above the next closest tiers. So it really does not matter what level the other players are .

To beat current Novak , you need 2007-2010 Fedal and 2012 Murray. Not too many times in tennis history have so many peaks aligned. So, let us give credit where it is due.

Somebody gets it.

Give me a moment...
 
Hmm really? You'd rank one more Grand Slam over almost double the amount of weeks at #1, 6 YE #1>3 YE #1, and 6 WTF's over 0 WTF's? I could easily see why people would still rate Sampras over Nadal in that situation.

Amen. I don't know when it will "ring a bell" to them that tennis is a multi surface sport and all legends have dominated multiple surfaces.

10 of 15 being clay and 65% clay titles will surpass someone with 14 majors, 6 YE1 and who ruled tennis for a decade ? Sampras was no bridesmaid. Always the hero.
 
Hmm really? You'd rank one more Grand Slam over almost double the amount of weeks at #1, 6 YE #1>3 YE #1, and 6 WTF's over 0 WTF's? I could easily see why people would still rate Sampras over Nadal in that situation.

Personally, I think there are arguments to be made in favor of either Sampras or Nadal but IF Nadal wins #15 I think the majority of tennis analysts would place Nadal above Samrpas on any greatest of all time list. The lack of a FO hurts Sampras.
 
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