Tim Henman: "There's no reason why Andy Murray can't win Wimbledon" Seriously, Tim...

rainingaces said:
I am with the op on this one, Murray has absolutely 0 chance of winning Wimbledon.

Ive said it before and ill say it again, pushers don't win grand slams.

Add to that the fact that murray is a mental midget when he can see a slam trophy and he is a massive underdog to even make the quarters.

Expectations should have some basis and unless Murray is handed the easiest draw in the history of wimbledon (even easier then murrays last year) there should be no expectation from the media.
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Of course he is. It's crazy to think that 1 of the 2 guys who have made QFs at the last 2 Wimbledons could make the QFs this year. Thank you for your insightful post and extraordinary grasp of probability theory.

If Murray is truly a 'massive underdog' then you'll happily take my money off me - yes? What odds will you give me for Murray making quarters? In fact forget that - a straight bet - £100 for the charity of your choice says Murray makes quarters at Wimbledon - are you up for it, or are you the archetypal internet coward?
 
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gold soundz said:
So you don't think Nadal and Roddick (let alone Federer) are reasons to stop him from winning Wimbledon? So they're just not there?
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They can't all reach the finals. Murray, does have a chance, to win Wimbledon and it wouldn't look good for Henman, if he didn't support the next generation of British tennis players to follow him.
 
Murray can do it if he doesn't get too down on himself and rises to the occasion. I really want Murray to be the one who beats Nadal in the SF.
 
batz said:
Of course he is. It's crazy to think that 1 of the 2 guys who have made QFs at the last 2 Wimbledons could make the QFs this year. Thank you for your insightful post and extraordinary grasp of probability theory.

If Murray is truly a 'massive underdog' then you'll happily take my money off me - yes? What odds will you give me for Murray making quarters? In fact forget that - a straight bet - £100 for the chairty of your choice says Murray makes quarters at Wimbledon - are you up for it, or are you the archetypal internet coward?
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Can you honestly say Murray has improved since he made the semi final of wimbledon last year?

If murray gets drawn against a big hitter on grass I know murray will just crumble ala Berdych french open. Berdych, Isner, Karlovic, Soderling, Istomin, Gulbis... some big hitting servers who I would back against a pusher like Murray any day.
 
The way i read it is that Tim is saying that Muray has the ability to win, he does.Any player with his skill can win seems a fair statement, plus he gets to look good in the local press and so the annual press hysteria about a British woman or man winning Wimbledon begins again.
 
rainingaces said:
Can you honestly say Murray has improved since he made the semi final of wimbledon last year?

If murray gets drawn against a big hitter on grass I know murray will just crumble ala Berdych french open. Berdych, Isner, Karlovic, Soderling, Istomin, Gulbis... some big hitting servers who I would back against a pusher like Murray any day.
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Well, he made as slam final since the semis of Wimbledon last year so I guess the answer to your question is 'yes'.

I am almost breaking a rib laughing at the list of names you think will beat Murray on grass. Grasscourt giants the lot of them. Istomin FFS.

So are you taking the bet or are you just a gobby internet shytebag?
 
batz said:
Well, he made as slam final since the semis of Wimbledon last year so I guess the answer to your question is 'yes'.

I am almost breaking a rib laughing at the list of names you think will beat Murray on grass. Grasscourt giants the lot of them. Istomin FFS.

So are you taking the bet or are you just a gobby internet shytebag?
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It would be much easier for me to go to a bookie I can trust.

I don't know what odds you giving, Muggtard?
 
Depending on the draw, i see no reason why he can't do better than last year. Nadal in the SF would be good for Murray,
 
rainingaces said:
It would be much easier for me to go to a bookie I can trust.

I don't know what odds you giving, Muggtard?
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Straight bet - I don't even want the odds-against price that you should give me if Murray really is 'massive underdog'. A straight £100 to the charity of the victor's choice. Murray makes quarters, you cough up. Murray doesn't make quarters, I cough up.
 
rovex said:
Depending on the draw, i see no reason why he can't do better than last year. Nadal in the SF would be good for Murray,
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Nadal on grass is clearly better than even a top form Murray. Murray can only beat Nadal on hard courts.
 
Safin got to the semi's when he didn't even try, has a complete mental block against grass, and probably partied the night before. If he can get that far, then Melzer can win it
 
batz said:
Straight bet - I don't even want the odds-against price that you should give me if Murray really is 'massive underdog'. A straight £100 to the charity of the victor's choice. Murray makes quarters, you cough up. Murray doesn't make quarters, I cough up.
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I wont agree to anything until nearer the time and the draw is out.

I did say it was dependent on the draw and if nobody I mentioned is in Murrays quater (unlikley) I will gladly have that bet with you via paypal.
 
davey25 said:
Nadal on grass is clearly better than even a top form Murray. Murray can only beat Nadal on hard courts.
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You say this as if it is some kind of self evident truth.

Murray hadn't beaten Rafa on any surface the last time they played at Wimbledon. That Andy Murray was playing in his 1st slam quarter final, had never even made the final of a masters series. Murray has won 3 out of their last 4 meetings; two of them in slams.


To be clear, I would make Rafa favourite if they met at Wimbledon - but not by much, and certainly not to the degree you are stating.
 
davey25 said:
Nadal on grass is clearly better than even a top form Murray. Murray can only beat Nadal on hard courts.
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That's highly arguable. Let's see, a 2008 Murray gets crushed by Nadal. Although you could say he was weary from the 5 setter with Gasquet. Anyway, Murrray is good on grass and if he can crush Nadal on a slow hard court i see no reason why on a surface Murray plays well on can't do the same.
 
rainingaces said:
I wont agree to anything until nearer the time and the draw is out.

I did say it was dependent on the draw and if nobody I mentioned is in Murrays quater (unlikley) I will gladly have that bet with you via paypal.
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ROFPMSL

C'mon man - you don't need to see the draw - Murray has 'ZERO chance' of winning Wimbledon remember. He's a 'massive underdog' to even reach the quarters.

It's OK mate - it's clear now that the guff that you spouted earlier was just bravado and not what you really think. I can hear you backtracking from here.

'I did say it was dependent on the draw' my @rse.
 
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OKUSA said:
Safin got to the semi's when he didn't even try, has a complete mental block against grass, and probably partied the night before. If he can get that far, then Melzer can win it
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lol this.
Everyone in the draw "can" win it.
Tim is a genius.
 
batz said:
Indeed he is - and I have conversed with genius - and you even heard me!:)
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hahah!!Yes Rob!That was really cool and your question was the best ;-)
the other people sounded like they didn't even follow tennis much!

ahhh...Murraymania month,when everyone becomes a tennis expert.Will be fun again.
Though this year I doubt many will follow Wimby anyway.
 
batz said:
ROFPMSL

C'mon man - you don't need to see the draw - Murray has 'ZERO chance' of winning Wimbledon remember. He's a 'massive underdog' to even reach the quarters.

It's OK mate - it's clear now that the guff that you spouted earlier was just bravado and not what you really think. I can hear you backtracking from here.

'I did say it was dependent on the draw' my @rse.
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I am not the one backtracking you are backtracking, don't you agree to my terms?

Murray is just a poormans Greg Rusedski but without the serve, wake up and smell the tea ffs.
 
malakas said:
hahah!!Yes Rob!That was really cool and your question was the best ;-)
the other people sounded like they didn't even follow tennis much!

ahhh...Murraymania month,when everyone becomes a tennis expert.Will be fun again.
Though this year I doubt many will follow Wimby anyway.
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This is why (and you're not gonna like this! :) ), Murray has a slightly improved chance this year - much reduced media glare. All the 'big beast' sports journos (and when I say sports, I mean football) will be you know where watching you know what. This will last as long as Englandshire are in the tournament.
 
I think he is right. Murray definitely can win SW19. He has been to GS finals before, Who knows?
 
Well, of course he can. Indeed, every player that enters the tourney can win it. It's just that the Fedal dictatorship has made us believe that it's not possible.
 
haha. in retrospect, to have a chance of winning wimbledon, andy murray would have to get to the final first but he never could therefore he had no chance of winning wimbledon :)
 
Mick said:
haha. in retrospect, to have a chance of winning wimbledon, andy murray would have to get to the final first but he never could therefore he had no chance of winning wimbledon :)
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I'd say he has some chance of getting to the final, but it's just about a 0-10% chance that he'll actually win imo.
 
Fedace said:
Murray OWNS Federer and Nadal so why not ?? Murray could very well win this year.
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Haha is that a joke? Murrays owns Federer? He hasn't taken a set of him in a slam (the tournaments where Federer switches on) and he could very well beat him in Wimbledon, on grass, Fed's best surface?
 
gold soundz said:
Murray might beat Nadal (though I'd give the edge to Nadal), but Roddick is a worse match up for him IMO. Plus Federer's in Wimbledon too and there's a 1 or 2% chance he'll beat Federer at Wimbledon.
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Roddick a worse matchup? Murray has a 6-3 lead over Rod, dating back to 2006 when Murray wasn't even top 40 yet.

Not that Nadal is a bad matchup for him, but I'd much rather face a guy that I'm 6-3 against than a guy I'm 3-7 against.
 
rainingaces said:
I am with the op on this one, Murray has absolutely 0 chance of winning Wimbledon.

Ive said it before and ill say it again, pushers don't win grand slams.

Add to that the fact that murray is a mental midget when he can see a slam trophy and he is a massive underdog to even make the quarters.

Expectations should have some basis and unless Murray is handed the easiest draw in the history of wimbledon (even easier then murrays last year) there should be no expectation from the media.
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Funny thing is, this kid is being serious when he calls Murray a pusher (saying it more than once only makes it worse, dear oh dear).

At least Blinky knows it's rhetoric (which he finds amusing, for some reason, but then he is Canadian).

Anyone that calls a pro player a 'pusher' deserves to be laughed at, a lot. Ask a decent professional coach or tennis player if Murray or any other pro is a 'pusher'.

Rainingaces, I think you should do your homework, tidy your room and stop wasting your parents' bandwidth.

"I don't think it will take him a lot of time to make the transition from the French Open. After Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal he's definitely in the next bracket of those who could challenge."
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Henman, an ex-pro player (and a good one) is right when he says this, impossible to argue with when you consider the rankings and previous results, unless you're a fatuous teenager with nothing better to do.
 
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jamesblakefan#1 said:
Roddick a worse matchup? Murray has a 6-3 lead over Rod, dating back to 2006 when Murray wasn't even top 40 yet.

Not that Nadal is a bad matchup for him, but I'd much rather face a guy that I'm 6-3 against than a guy I'm 3-7 against.
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I definitely mean only on grass. I just feel Roddick would be worse for him. With Nadal it's probably 50-50 at Queens, 35-65 and Wimbledon.
 
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