Time for Djokovic to exit gracefully

jxs653 said:
It's funny people urge him to retire because prospective loss toward end of career is disgrace. No it's not disgrace: it's a natural course of career. Look at the final years of all the greats: Connors, McEnroe, Lendl, Wilander, Becker, Edberg, Samprs, Agassi, Federer, Nadal, who else... Because they couldn't win as much as they did, do we think less of them now?
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To me a player that has won what he has, will never stain his career for trying to fight till the end, if anything, It would make him look worse if at the first difficulty he retired, but thats me, a bad competitive attitude is the only thing that could stain his career a bit at this point, and being able to deal with his ego and risking some bad losses just to try to compete at this age with all the difficulties that come with It, make him greater, results dont Matter much at this point, he already has enough results i think, lol
 
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If Djokovic played poorly for a while, I would stop watching his matches like I did after a while with Murray and Nadal after their long-term injuries. The problem is that he plays well enough in a few tournaments here and there to suck me into still watching his matches to see if he had his old spark back and then he disappoints in many of them leading to an unentertaining spectacle which I feel could have been better spent doing something else more fun.

It would be nice if he got his old coaching and physio team together from the 2020-2023 days and tried to get back to his old form. But I am not convinced that with Murray and his current physio, he will ever come back to the top. His current physio seems to have convinced him to really build up his upper body more than ever before in his career and now all that extra weight seems to be causing a lot of lower limb issues as often happens with muscular tennis players. Also he is not serving as well as he did under Goran which was a key reason for his success in his thirties.
 
socallefty said:
If Djokovic played poorly for a while, I would stop watching his matches like I did after a while with Murray and Nadal after their long-term injuries. The problem is that he plays well enough in a few tournaments here and there to suck me into still watching his matches to see if he had his old spark back and then he disappoints in many of them leading to an unentertaining spectacle which I feel could have been better spent doing something else more fun.

It would be nice if he got his old coaching and physio team together from the 2020-2023 days and tried to get back to his old form. But I am not convinced that with Murray and his current physio, he will ever come back to the top. His current physio seems to have convinced him to really build up his upper body more than ever before in his career and now all that extra weight seems to be causing a lot of lower limb issues as often happens with muscular tennis players. Also he is not serving as well as he did under Goran which was a key reason for his success in his thirties.
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But also - eventually all the magic formulas from the past don’t work. We just get old.

And he is getting really old for a pro.
 
I thought he only wanted to win the Olympic gold...

But, to be honest, I leave future plans of Novak to his fans to share
 
It’s time for him to start thinking about winding down the career after maybe AO next year. He used to win on stamina alone many times. It was his biggest strength. . That’s pretty much gone. Without his greatest weapon stamina it’s going to be awfully tough to add more titles to his game
 
TheGoldenEra1990’s said:
This kid is an underling. If he can’t beat him then sinner will absolutely embarrass Djoker when he returns every time they play
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That's a big assumption considering Swiatek has been average since returning from a doping ban. The same could happen for JS

I know you "Heil Sinner" guys aren't acknowledging the obvious, but there's zero guarantee he regains his previous form and you're being very naive if you think his outstanding 12 months has NOTHING to do with PED whatsoever
 
Rosstour said:
That's a big assumption considering Swiatek has been average since returning from a doping ban. The same could happen for JS

I know you "Heil Sinner" guys aren't acknowledging the obvious, but there's zero guarantee he regains his previous form and you're being very naive if you think his outstanding 12 months has NOTHING to do with PED whatsoever
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I mean, he has not been doping for a while and has been dominating. The only thing that will stop him is mental stress of it all or lack of form... not PEDs.
 
socallefty said:
Just got beat by a teenager in a Masters 1000 final even though he served and played well. Outplayed in the end when he looked old and tired making a bunch of errors into the net and losing long rallies. The young guns are good and more are coming! Big 3 era is over - c’est fini!
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If the wolf can no longer howl at night, it is time to retreat to its den and let the new litters become the protagonists of their own story.
:D
 
Lleytonstation said:
Two completely different players and people on two different tours.
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Ok. I think the ATP is even more physically demanding with even smaller margins. There's no Ostapenko or Taylor Townsend on the ATP.

And to me it's just not logical to nod and agree that there's just no way he wasn't aided by what he was doing. Of course he was.
 
Rosstour said:
Ok. I think the ATP is even more physically demanding with even smaller margins. There's no Ostapenko or Taylor Townsend on the ATP.

And to me it's just not logical to nod and agree that there's just no way he wasn't aided by what he was doing. Of course he was.
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There is a Musetti.

But you are right, it will be interesting. I don't think it is a given either way.
 
Lleytonstation said:
There is a Musetti.

But you are right, it will be interesting. I don't think it is a given either way.
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Musetti is a great example of my point. Fantastic athlete with rare offensive talents yet still struggling to make that leap.

So the athleticism and stamina are far more important on the ATP. And that's what was holding Sinner back. He all of a sudden solves the problems and explodes into the top spot? Yeaaaaaaahhhh.....

Anyway yes. We agree that it's not a given. I don't think he's definitely gonna be crap when he comes back, but all the confidence that he comes back to dominate seems a little like nervous cope to me
 
Rosstour said:
Musetti is a great example of my point. Fantastic athlete with rare offensive talents yet still struggling to make that leap.

So the athleticism and stamina are far more important on the ATP. And that's what was holding Sinner back. He all of a sudden solves the problems and explodes into the top spot? Yeaaaaaaahhhh.....

Anyway yes. We agree that it's not a given. I don't think he's definitely gonna be crap when he comes back, but all the confidence that he comes back to dominate seems a little like nervous cope to me
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Don't you think Sinner's jump to that kind of success was so dope?
:D
 
socallefty said:
Just got beat by a teenager in a Masters 1000 final even though he served and played well. Outplayed in the end when he looked old and tired making a bunch of errors into the net and losing long rallies. The young guns are good and more are coming! Big 3 era is over - c’est fini!
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This will hurt Djokovic. He was absolutely fired up for Miami. Another loss though to a teenager in a final will sting. Mensik had played more hours this week than Djokovic and best if 3 set matches anyway are not really about stamina.
mensik is the first truly big server who can hit all for corners regularly we have seen for many years, probably since Federer in his pomp over 20 years ago. today reminded me how Djokovic struggled dealing With Federers serve pre 2010 before Federers serve lost potency and accuracy. Much like Agassi struggled with Sampras.
A truly elite serve who can hit all 4 corners will always more often than not have the better of an elite returner no matter how goaty a returner they are.
Does raise the question how Novak would have done at Wimbledon against the great servers in their pomps such as Federer pre 2010 Sampras in 90s Becker in 80s Stich and Ivanisevic. Wimbledon surely needs to speed the grass up now. The tour needs proper differences in the courts and not uniformity. Indian wells and Miami this year as a double have been great because the conditions were so different. It was like being back in the 90s again.
 
I wonder why ppl are asking to retire some player who still have strength to achieve 2 consecutive semi-final at AO, 1 QF at RG, 1 Final at Wimbledon, Olympic Gold Medal, and 2 masters 1000 runner-up between beginning of 2024~End of March 2025.

Maybe they doesn't know how many pro players are unable to reach ATP tour level match until they retire...
 
ruripi said:
I wonder why ppl are asking to retire some player who still have strength to achieve 2 consecutive semi-final at AO, 1 QF at RG, 1 Final at Wimbledon, Olympic Gold Medal, and 2 masters 1000 runner-up between beginning of 2024~End of March 2025.

Maybe they doesn't know how many pro players are unable to reach ATP tour level match until they retire...
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Because he is the goat.

This is not up to the mark. It's good for everyone else , not nole.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Because he is the goat.

This is not up to the mark. It's good for everyone else , not nole.
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I was a big fan of Fed, but I also have respect for Rafa and Novak since 2010 due to their greatness. Their existence makes tennis greater than ever, I think.

Like Mensik, Alcaraz, and Vasavareddy, many youngsters chose tennis because of them, and their presence made youngsters fight harder to grow up. And now there's only one left.

That's the reason why the last one's leaving tennis is not good for everyone, I think.

And maybe that's the similar reason why Novak asked Rafa not to leave tennis and told Roger that he felt very strange when he found Roger in the bleachers instead of on the opposite court.

I hope followers like Mensik can motivate Novak and help him stay in competitive tennis, inspiring him for a longer time to bring positive effects to the tennis world.
 
Can someone explain the reason for the answers given in this interview after the Monte Carlo defeat? At one point he says ‘I don’t really care.’. At another point he says ‘I did not have high expectations, really. I knew I’m gonna have a tough opponent, and I knew I’m gonna probably play pretty bad. But this bad… I didn’t expect.’

At the same time he says he did not have an arm injury or eye issue in answers to other questions. So why did he not have high expectations and why did he feel he was gonna play pretty bad? Anyone have any insight?

www.tennis365.com

Novak Djokovic says 'I don't really care' in blunt press conference after Monte Carlo shock

Novak Djokovic addressed concerns about his eye problem and a possible new injury after his loss to world No 32 Alejandro Tabilo at the 2025 Monte Carlo Masters.
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socallefty said:
Can someone explain the reason for the answers given in this interview after the Monte Carlo defeat? At one point he says ‘I don’t really care.’. At another point he says ‘I did not have high expectations, really. I knew I’m gonna have a tough opponent, and I knew I’m gonna probably play pretty bad. But this bad… I didn’t expect.’

At the same time he says he did not have an arm injury or eye issue in answers to other questions. So why did he not have high expectations and why did he feel he was gonna play pretty bad? Anyone have any insight?

www.tennis365.com

Novak Djokovic says 'I don't really care' in blunt press conference after Monte Carlo shock

Novak Djokovic addressed concerns about his eye problem and a possible new injury after his loss to world No 32 Alejandro Tabilo at the 2025 Monte Carlo Masters.
www.tennis365.com www.tennis365.com
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easy, this mc is slowest and he didn't want to push his body beyond any limit at all. so he had zero expectations unless opponent blunders.
 
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