Time for Murray to Use a Bigger Frame

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I think Andy needs to go the way of Ferrer/Federer and use a more powerful stick. He has awesome placement, and some sweet groundies; but in most of his GS losses I always am left with the feeling that if he had a little more pop on his shots he wouldn't be playing from behind as much.

I don't think he'd need much, just a little. If only Head knew of a way to make their radical pro stocks in different sizes....
 
B Cubed said:
I think Andy needs to go the way of Ferrer/Federer and use a more powerful stick. He has awesome placement, and some sweet groundies; but in most of his GS losses I always am left with the feeling that if he had a little more pop on his shots he wouldn't be playing from behind as much.

I don't think he'd need much, just a little. If only Head knew of a way to make their radical pro stocks in different sizes....
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Murray uses a pt57a or a prestige lol

He doesn't use a radical, or radical pro stock.

Murray doesn't have the strokes to make more power, he hits very hard already. The issue isn't the racket. it's the mechanics on his shots.
 
I didn't say he was using a radical. I was being ironical, because I know they've made other stock sizes, for radicals in particular. And although I agree he does hit hard, and I also agree his mechanics aren't the most flowing, I'd still say he's more than a counter puncher, and he could still benefit from additional racket power.
 
It's always an interesting thought.....how certain players would play if they changed racquets.

It certainly doesn't seem to have done Ferrer any harm. If anything, I wonder if he would have had greater success had he switched a few years earlier. The PD+ seems ideal for his game.
 
That would be awesome! But I'm sure he prefers the tight string patterns. He only drops to 18x19 at Wimby (of all places).
 
Even something like Wawrinka's Yonex. Both have a similar sort of muscular, powerful build and I know a lot comes down to stroke mechanics and specific shot technique, but when Stan hits that ball he don't half get some power behind it.

I know it's deceptive watching on TV, but it often seems like Murray hits a slower ball sometimes and I can't help wondering how his number of winners would increase if he really spanked that ball a bit harder.

It's all pointless hypothosising really. I suspect Murray is one of the most stubborn when it comes to keeping the same racquet. But it would interesting/fun to see him hitting with something like a PD.
 
B Cubed said:
That would be awesome! But I'm sure he prefers the tight string patterns. He only drops to 18x19 at Wimby (of all places).
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Murray switched to 18x20 only once in recent years, and that was for the 2014 French Open from what I can recall. At Wimby he was back with his usual 16x19.
 
B Cubed said:
That would be awesome! But I'm sure he prefers the tight string patterns. He only drops to 18x19 at Wimby (of all places).
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I am not sure if you are "ironical" here or what.

However, the PT113B1 is more powerful than the PT57A, same head size, and I am sure Head could drill 16x19 for him.
However, not sure how Novak would react to that option...
 
While power would be useful at times, versus certain opponents, a new stick could take a long time to adjust to, given how much of a feel player he is. If he ever got completely comfortable....

I'd think a string and/or tension change would be easier to incorporate.
 
Like this?
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SpinToWin said:
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Murray switched to 18x20 only once in recent years, and that was for the 2014 French Open from what I can recall. At Wimby he was back with his usual 16x19.
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I stand corrected re: the string pattern.

I started this thread as only opinion from my observations, and I leave it just at that.
 
Why does everyone always assume bigger is better. As far as I know Andy uses a 98" head frame. That's pretty much in line with everyone else.
 
He's used to what he has. He might could use a little bit more power, but his strokes are so dialed in with his current racquet, that a change would be too hard at this point in his career. I know what you're thinking - he needs an RF97.
 
victa said:
Why does everyone always assume bigger is better. As far as I know Andy uses a 98" head frame. That's pretty much in line with everyone else.
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I thought his racquet wasn't a TRUE 98 more a 95? Which if so wouldn't it make it a touch more powerful if hit in sweet spot more often the not.
 
B Cubed said:
I think Andy needs to go the way of Ferrer/Federer and use a more powerful stick.
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....but maybe Murray LIKES running for miles and miles over 5 never ending sets so he can just push shots back in play, again and again, until the other guy makes an U.E because he died of exhaustion or starvation?!

Did you think of that?!!
 
B Cubed said:
I think Andy needs to go the way of Ferrer/Federer and use a more powerful stick. He has awesome placement, and some sweet groundies; but in most of his GS losses I always am left with the feeling that if he had a little more pop on his shots he wouldn't be playing from behind as much.

I don't think he'd need much, just a little. If only Head knew of a way to make their radical pro stocks in different sizes....
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lol. he is in a grandslam final...why the hell should he ever change? u belong to the tw marketing team?
as i said before: wait a few more months and federer will switch back to his old racquet...haha.
 
I think that Murray's racquet is fine and he could hit with a number of similar frames. His style is just not as aggressive as it could be and I think that's part of his personality. And yet he's number 2 in the world! It would be great if he had the instincts and net game of Federer but he is doing pretty well with his own game. I've read that he used to weight his PT57As to 400 SW. If he can whack the ball with that kind of SW, then lack of power isn't his problem.
 
I actually feel its time Murray decreased headsize. But that's just an opinion which warrants as much explanation as any other non-sensical comment we come across in our daily life.
 
Ihatetennis said:
Murray uses a pt57a or a prestige lol

He doesn't use a radical, or radical pro stock.

Murray doesn't have the strokes to make more power, he hits very hard already. The issue isn't the racket. it's the mechanics on his shots.
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Other than his forehand which is loopy, it isn't mechanics.
 
Murray plays dink ball/cheese ball. He is unconventional. He has more variety in his game than any of the Big 4. I mean, Fed has a lot of variety, but Andy uses his variety throughout a tournament more consistently. I mean, Murray will dice and slice and cut and underspin. I just don't think the problem is the racquet's headsize. I think the problem is Novak Djokovic. He's just better. His worst is better than everyone's best. I'm not convinced Novak is an actual human being the way he moves, how flexible, how lithe yet powerful.

On Clay, maybe Andy has a better chance. That dink ball game might put him about equal. But on hardcourts Novak could play with just one leg and he is still going to win the match in 5.
 
Well if you can believe the seller on e-bay, they're selling an "Andy Murray New Head 98 Prototype Blackout Pro Stock Racquet 16/19"...

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It's a prototype. The grommets are MG/YT Prestige CAP looking in orange. Not the latest CAP.
 
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Say Chi Sin Lo said:
Loving how rec player is recommending a racquet change to someone who's won Majors, and just got himself into another Major Finals. Yeah because, you know so much right?
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Not to mention he is number 2 in the world and only losing consistently to the ONE GUY that everyone is losing consistently to!!!

Newsflash Folks...Novak is REALLY REALLY REALLY GOOOOOODDD!!!!
 
boris becker 1 said:
Other than his forehand which is loopy, it isn't mechanics.
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?? are you blind?

Murray is using almost no wrist on his forehand, there is no loopiness, he brings his racket straight back. There is no racket drop unlike djokovic who uses more wrist and has a racket drop.

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His backhand is very flat and not much of an issue, but it is very flat which sets up better for novak and fed.
 
^His forehand can be very very loopy. But that is purposely done.. just cuz you have pics of him with a flatter racquet position doesn't mean he hits flat forehands all the time. Murray gets good spin. When he takes his hand off for the backhand he can cut under it, over it, hit it deep, drop shot. The man has a whole palette of shots to choose from... including a lot of power from time to time.

NOVAK is simply GOATING and that GOATING ain't going to slow down til the French Open.
 
The problem is Murray's forehand, specifically his grip. He should be using a semi western grip but he's sticking with an eastern. And he doesn't use enough wrist and his preparation is not the greatest.
 
jarko111 said:
^His forehand can be very very loopy. But that is purposely done.. just cuz you have pics of him with a flatter racquet position doesn't mean he hits flat forehands all the time. Murray gets good spin. When he takes his hand off for the backhand he can cut under it, over it, hit it deep, drop shot. The man has a whole palette of shots to choose from... including a lot of power from time to time.

NOVAK is simply GOATING and that GOATING ain't going to slow down til the French Open.
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his loopy forehands lack power because of his preperation though. No wrist action, almost all arm.

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this is from an older tt thread.

His backhand is mostly flat, because of his grip he can't make as much spin as Djokovic.
 
Ihatetennis said:
his loopy forehands lack power because of his preperation though. No wrist action, almost all arm.

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this is from an older tt thread.

His backhand is mostly flat, because of his grip he can't make as much spin as Djokovic.
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The two players with the least spin area ranked higher than the two players with the most spin.

Spin isn't everything.
 
14OuncesStrung said:
The problem is Murray's forehand, specifically his grip. He should be using a semi western grip but he's sticking with an eastern. And he doesn't use enough wrist and his preparation is not the greatest.
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If only Murray had a clue himself, or at least had a coach to tell him these basics.

He could become a top player, surely.

:rolleyes:
 
movdqa said:
So the lesser spin guys figured out how to counter heavy spin. Or the approach hasn't served Nadal as well as he ages.
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Nadal has bad knees, I think that is obvious. And 14 slams is still better than 2, no matter which way you look at it. Murray is not even close to Nadal, Fed, or Djokovic.

Djokovic was already a strong player and had been no.1 in 2011. No surprise Rafa found a weak point that season. Novak is now in better shape and Fed is 34, and Rafa is basically a shell of his former self.

Murray doesn't hold a candle to Novak or Federer at the moment. Fed has won 5 matches in a row against murray, and novak just straight setted him in the final of the aussie open..


Without much spin the ball has a more predictable bounce and is taken care of easier by players like djokovic.

What made Nadal so hard to beat was his spin and depth.
 
4-string said:
If only Murray had a clue himself, or at least had a coach to tell him these basics.

He could become a top player, surely.

:rolleyes:
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He reached the potential his strokes will allow, djokovic reached the potential his strokes will allow.

I think we can all agree a lot of tennis is work and ability, but the mechanics do have a ceiling and murrays is lower than djokovics.
 
Murray doesn't need a bigger stick. He needs a better coach.

I love Murray, as a player, and think he is the most underappreciated player ever.

But he is an idiot, when it comes to selecting coaching.

The Scottish government should chip in the 20k a week, that Lendl wants, and rehire him for Andy.
 
movdqa said:
So the lesser spin guys figured out how to counter heavy spin. Or the approach hasn't served Nadal as well as he ages.
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I hope you're joking. Roger is old and injured and Rafa is.... well, old and injured. Muzza hasn't figured out anything :) Djoker has probably figured out a new setting on his CVAC machine and a source of gluten-free eggs or something.
 
Right on for those who say that scoop forehand is a technical problem. I have always felt it looked a bit like Edberg's. It's difficult to pound balls with that grip, although Murray does a decent job of it.

I am always in favor of a larger head size for groundstrokes. That said, his serve is getting better, and a I believe a bigger head size would hurt his accuracy on serve (although some Roger fans might disagree).
 
West Coast Ace said:
While power would be useful at times, versus certain opponents, a new stick could take a long time to adjust to, given how much of a feel player he is. If he ever got completely comfortable....

I'd think a string and/or tension change would be easier to incorporate.
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Sounds like what you said applies to Federer, too.
 
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movdqa said:
The two players with the least spin area ranked higher than the two players with the most spin.

Spin isn't everything.
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The two players with the most spin both have more Slams than the two players with the least spin.

(BTW, the stats are from 2013, and the two players with the most spin were ranked #1 or #2 during 2013).
 
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