Time to move on: Djoker and Rafa are healthy

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
Look, there is a tourney going on here with some possible great matches still to be played.

At this point, we have all said our peace on the subject.

Did Djoker have an injury? Did Rafa? Probably to some degree. Are they both playing close to 90%? Yep. Do they both seem to be recovering? Yes.

Everyone left in the draw has some kind of nicks or scrapes at this point. So we should all assume that if they are still in the draw, then they are healthy enough to compete at a high level.

Thiem clearly had something wrong, but no one wants to discuss that. Probably because he did not self diagnose anything and kept it quiet.

Even at 80-90%. Both Djoker and rafa should reach the finals.

Time to move on from "injuries."

 

The Blond Blur

Hall of Fame
Look, there is a tourney going on here with some possible great matches still to be played.

At this point, we have all said our peace on the subject.

Did Djoker have an injury? Did Rafa? Probably to some degree. Are they both playing close to 90%? Yep. Do they both seem to be recovering? Yes.

Everyone left in the draw has some kind of nicks or scrapes at this point. So we should all assume that if they are still in the draw, then they are healthy enough to compete at a high level.

Thiem clearly had something wrong, but no one wants to discuss that. Probably because he did not self diagnose anything and kept it quiet.

Even at 80-90%. Both Djoker and rafa should reach the finals.

Time to move on from "injuries."

 

tudwell

Legend
We are still going to get it. We live in the weak era, it will come in less than a week.
I certainly don’t wish for any player to be injured, but it’s awfully disappointing for a Djokodal final to be back to the most likely scenario. Men’s tennis has been stuck in the same place for 15 years now. Beyond frustrating that no one else can step up.
 

OhYes

Legend
Look, there is a tourney going on here with some possible great matches still to be played.

At this point, we have all said our peace on the subject.

Did Djoker have an injury? Did Rafa? Probably to some degree. Are they both playing close to 90%? Yep. Do they both seem to be recovering? Yes.

Everyone left in the draw has some kind of nicks or scrapes at this point. So we should all assume that if they are still in the draw, then they are healthy enough to compete at a high level.

Thiem clearly had something wrong, but no one wants to discuss that. Probably because he did not self diagnose anything and kept it quiet.

Even at 80-90%. Both Djoker and rafa should reach the finals.

Time to move on from "injuries."

Glad you remembered Rafa bcs all I can hear now are Rafa fans criticizing Novak for not being injured like he said :oops:
 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
I certainly don’t wish for any player to be injured, but it’s awfully disappointing for a Djokodal final to be back to the most likely scenario. Men’s tennis has been stuck in the same place for 15 years now. Beyond frustrating that no one else can step up.
Agree, but if they are still the best tennis to be watched, it is what it is.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
You can be injured and still be able to play. It might just mean that your level drops by 20%.
That's not being injured. By that logic, all players are injured, as all players have some kind of minor pain here and there.

Injured is when you retire from the match (unless it is a final, in which case most players prefer to keep playing because they feel it is unclassy to retire in the middle of a final).
 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
You can be injured and still be able to play. It might just mean that your level drops by 20%.
20% drop is not an injury to me, it is a "bump" that is part of sports. Injury keeps you from competing at a high level. What we have seen from Rafa and djoker is a high level.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Yea seemingly they are healthy enough. It's the beginning of the season and Evert made a good point the other day about because of covid, players had less match play and time to really get match tough and coming into a BO5 tournament, it's causing more injuries because it's harder on the body with limited play. At this point, probably multiple players have some niggles or some injury they are dealing with. Time for everyone to move on.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Novak Djokovic refuses to confirm extent of Australian Open injury
Comment George Bellshaw
Sunday 14 Feb 2021 2:48 pm

Two nights ago in Melbourne, Novak Djokovic declared on court he had ‘definitely’ suffered an abdominal tear but after his Australian Open fourth-round win over Milos Raonic his condition was shrouded in mystery. Djokovic didn’t appear too hampered, despite the odd grimace here and there, on court as he beat Milos Raonic – an opponent he now holds a 12-0 record against – in four sets to set up a quarter-final meeting with Alexander Zverev.

The world No. 1, an eight-time champion at this tournament, said he wasn’t sure he would be ready for the last-16 tie with big-serving Canadian Raonic and admitted he would have withdrawn from the event if it was anything other than a Grand Slam event. What exactly is wrong with Djokovic, however, is unclear. He did little to shed any light on the situation.

‘I understand that you want to know, but I really don’t want to get into it what it is,’ said Djokovic, who initially suffered the injury in a third-round win over Taylor Fritz. ‘Yes, I did an MRI, I did everything, I know what it is, but I don’t want to talk about it now. I’m still in the tournament. I hope you guys understand that. I don’t want to speculate too much about it.

‘It’s not ideal for me. I mean, I definitely have felt better, you know, before my third-round match against Fritz than I have starting from third set with Fritz when that happened and all the match today. ‘I didn’t know few hours before I stepped on the court tonight whether I’m gonna play or not. I didn’t hit a tennis ball yesterday. As I said, I tried to use every single hour possible to recover and give myself at least a little bit of chance to step on the court, which I have done. As I said on the court, if I’m part of any other tournament other than Grand Slam, I definitely wouldn’t be playing.

‘But it’s a Grand Slam. It matters a lot to me at this stage of my career, of course. I want to do everything possible in this very short amount of time to get on the court. ‘Playing best-of-five, you know, with kind of an aggressive mover that I am on the court doesn’t help much with this kind of injury, but I think the combination of, you know, pills and medications and treatments and also some willpower, you know, and of course certain degree and level of bearing the pain.


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USO

Hall of Fame
Novak Djokovic refuses to confirm extent of Australian Open injury
Comment George Bellshaw
Sunday 14 Feb 2021 2:48 pm

Two nights ago in Melbourne, Novak Djokovic declared on court he had ‘definitely’ suffered an abdominal tear but after his Australian Open fourth-round win over Milos Raonic his condition was shrouded in mystery. Djokovic didn’t appear too hampered, despite the odd grimace here and there, on court as he beat Milos Raonic – an opponent he now holds a 12-0 record against – in four sets to set up a quarter-final meeting with Alexander Zverev.

The world No. 1, an eight-time champion at this tournament, said he wasn’t sure he would be ready for the last-16 tie with big-serving Canadian Raonic and admitted he would have withdrawn from the event if it was anything other than a Grand Slam event. What exactly what is wrong with Djokovic, however, is unclear. He did little to shed any light on the situation.

‘I understand that you want to know, but I really don’t want to get into it what it is,’ said Djokovic, who initially suffered the injury in a third-round win over Taylor Fritz. ‘Yes, I did an MRI, I did everything, I know what it is, but I don’t want to talk about it now. I’m still in the tournament. I hope you guys understand that. I don’t want to speculate too much about it.

‘It’s not ideal for me. I mean, I definitely have felt better, you know, before my third-round match against Fritz than I have starting from third set with Fritz when that happened and all the match today. ‘I didn’t know few hours before I stepped on the court tonight whether I’m gonna play or not. I didn’t hit a tennis ball yesterday. As I said, I tried to use every single hour possible to recover and give myself at least a little bit of chance to step on the court, which I have done. As I said on the court, if I’m part of any other tournament other than Grand Slam, I definitely wouldn’t be playing.

‘But it’s a Grand Slam. It matters a lot to me at this stage of my career, of course. I want to do everything possible in this very short amount of time to get on the court. ‘Playing best-of-five, you know, with kind of an aggressive mover that I am on the court doesn’t help much with this kind of injury, but I think the combination of, you know, pills and medications and treatments and also some willpower, you know, and of course certain degree and level of bearing the pain.


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2021/02/14/novak-djokovic-refuses-to-confirm-extent-of-australian-open-injury-14080174/?ito=push-notification&ci=77363&si=22969801?ito=cbshare

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Well obviously he doesn’t want to say ”there’s no injury it was all drama because I’m psychologically unstable”.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic is not, it was obvious he had trouble going out wide. But it's getting better.
 

vex

Hall of Fame
Look, there is a tourney going on here with some possible great matches still to be played.

At this point, we have all said our peace on the subject.

Did Djoker have an injury? Did Rafa? Probably to some degree. Are they both playing close to 90%? Yep. Do they both seem to be recovering? Yes.

Everyone left in the draw has some kind of nicks or scrapes at this point. So we should all assume that if they are still in the draw, then they are healthy enough to compete at a high level.

Thiem clearly had something wrong, but no one wants to discuss that. Probably because he did not self diagnose anything and kept it quiet.

Even at 80-90%. Both Djoker and rafa should reach the finals.

Time to move on from "injuries."

Agree with most of what ur saying but don’t think Djoker is playing well enough to make the final. Just my 2 cents tho. I think Z beats him
 
I certainly don’t wish for any player to be injured, but it’s awfully disappointing for a Djokodal final to be back to the most likely scenario. Men’s tennis has been stuck in the same place for 15 years now. Beyond frustrating that no one else can step up.
The Fat Lady hasn't even begun to sing yet. Mad Lad will be pissed :-D
 

GabeT

Legend
I see that Novak, despite being a multimillionaire, continues to live rent free in the heads of many TTW posters. Sad!
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
Look, there is a tourney going on here with some possible great matches still to be played.

At this point, we have all said our peace on the subject.

Did Djoker have an injury? Did Rafa? Probably to some degree. Are they both playing close to 90%? Yep. Do they both seem to be recovering? Yes.

Everyone left in the draw has some kind of nicks or scrapes at this point. So we should all assume that if they are still in the draw, then they are healthy enough to compete at a high level.

Thiem clearly had something wrong, but no one wants to discuss that. Probably because he did not self diagnose anything and kept it quiet.

Even at 80-90%. Both Djoker and rafa should reach the finals.

Time to move on from "injuries."

Thiem did not keep it quiet:

 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Djoker is far from healthy now but Milos Raonic, with his ridiculous footwork, has made him look just fine today.
The ATP doctor said he is fit to play. What was that all about? Was he embarrassed that Fritz took a set off him? That's the name of the game, isn't it. Everyone is there to win not just to make up the numbers.
 

Tiki-Taka

Rookie
I think it's time to stop being experts on professional athletes' physical condition. Everyone is aware how frequent injuries are on this level yet so many become sceptical when Rafa or Novak shows the signs of such struggle, looking for ulterior motives instead. Let's enjoy the rest of the tournament. The top two are there and the NextGen are also still there, it's a very promising second week.
 

Gazelle

Legend
I think it's time to stop being experts on professional athletes' physical condition. Everyone is aware how frequent injuries are on this level yet so many become sceptical when Rafa or Novak shows the signs of such struggle, looking for ulterior motives instead. Let's enjoy the rest of the tournament. The top two are there and the NextGen are also still there, it's a very promising second week.
Of course they are sceptical. We have seen Nishikori, Raonic and Delpo having to withdraw from every other tournament due to injuries. Meanwhile Fakeovic and Fakedal apparently are frequently injured too yet winning every slam between them.

We're not buying it. It's gamesmanship at its finest, a very bad example that might hurt the sport.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
You can be injured and still be able to play. It might just mean that your level drops by 20%.
The difference in levels between Novak and someone like Ryan Harrison is about 10%. A 20% drop in level is astronomical and means Novak would be playing like the 1,000th ranked male player.
 

USO

Hall of Fame
Don’t compare yourself to MichaelNadal, he’s 10 times more respectable than you.
So that would make him 100,000,000,000,000,000 times more respectable than you and me 10,000,000,000,000,000 times more respectable than you.
 

Tiki-Taka

Rookie
Of course they are sceptical. We have seen Nishikori, Raonic and Delpo having to withdraw from every other tournament due to injuries. Meanwhile Fakeovic and Fakedal apparently are frequently injured too yet winning every slam between them.

We're not buying it. It's gamesmanship at its finest, a very bad example that might hurt the sport.
Nadal has withdrawn and retired from plenty of tournaments over the years, and Djokovic was no stranger to retiring either. But a lot of times those weren't considered "real" injuries either.

Good to know. Someone should let them know there are people not buying their sport harming gamesmanship.
 

Cortana

Hall of Fame
The difference in levels between Novak and someone like Ryan Harrison is about 10%. A 20% drop in level is astronomical and means Novak would be playing like the 1,000th ranked male player.
See, thats how someone like Thiem loses the match in straights when something is wrong.
 

CYGS

Legend
The difference in levels between Novak and someone like Ryan Harrison is about 10%. A 20% drop in level is astronomical and means Novak would be playing like the 1,000th ranked male player.
Didn’t know Harrison is at the same level as Federer
 

Robert F

Professional
I think Thiem's failure was much more psychological then physical. Not sure if he was mentally recovered after being very stoic and patient vs. Little Nicky. Just seemed to have an off day and couldn't get things going against Grigor. Dmitrov was steady and smooth leaving little easy opportunities for Thiem. Maybe the lack of crowd just made him Flat.

As we argue the various Weak Era's that have emerged since 2000, the more and more titles the Big 3 rack up the more it feeds the idea that the last say 10 years as a weak era? No one can break through, Grandpa Federer is able to take titles and slams. Slowed Nadal is taking titles and owns RG. Injured Djokovic has no issues taking the younger guys down.

As a Fed fan, I'm so frustrated because really the young guys should be protecting his records, not himself.

In regards to injuries, low level sprains/strains can feel very acute and clear up pretty fast. That's my guess as to what happened to Djoker. He tweaked something and was worried it was something bigger than it was, but untweaked itself pretty quickly. The hard thing is when you have a tweak, you don't know how serious it is until the next day or so. With them being pros, I understand Nadal and Djoker's cautionary approach to injury.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
That's not being injured. By that logic, all players are injured, as all players have some kind of minor pain here and there.

Injured is when you retire from the match (unless it is a final, in which case most players prefer to keep playing because they feel it is unclassy to retire in the middle of a final).
AO14 flashbacks. Commentators kept expecting Rafa every changeover to shake hands and retire.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
Of course they are sceptical. We have seen Nishikori, Raonic and Delpo having to withdraw from every other tournament due to injuries. Meanwhile Fakeovic and Fakedal apparently are frequently injured too yet winning every slam between them.

We're not buying it. It's gamesmanship at its finest, a very bad example that might hurt the sport.
Fed has won 20 GS titles since 2003, but has reportedly had a back problem since before 2003. We're not buying it. It's gamesmanship.
 

NADALalot

Hall of Fame
I think it's time to stop being experts on professional athletes' physical condition. Everyone is aware how frequent injuries are on this level yet so many become sceptical when Rafa or Novak shows the signs of such struggle, looking for ulterior motives instead. Let's enjoy the rest of the tournament. The top two are there and the NextGen are also still there, it's a very promising second week.
Nobody claimed to be an expert.
So your post makes no sense.
All we did was quote Djokovic, because he said he'd torn a muscle.
He could easily correct his mistake, by saying what the MRI result was, but he's chosen not to....
Most of us don't care whether Djokovic plays or withdraws.....but you know his history of questionable injury claims.....so there is every reason to be sceptical.
The players of today including Nadal and Federer and famously Andy Roddick have frequently questioned Djokovic's injury claims.
 
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