Time to scrap the WTF

Max G.

Legend
WTF is great. Keep it as it is. Always has some great matches, and this year hasn't disappointed, I've been loving Dimitrov and Sock's performances.

If you want to make players be more in shape for it, just decrease the number of tournaments that count towards ranking by one, let players play a few less 250s.
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
It has been clear for years that the World Tour Finals are no longer fit for purpose. The changing nature of the men's game -the longer matches, the more punishing rallies, the sheer repetitiveness of the strokes and the injuries they cause- means that it has become a tournament that is usually won by the last fit player standing, instead of the best player of the year.

Add to that the fact that it is played on a surface and environment that clearly favours certain players, and it really has become a joke in recent years.

No one really remembers, nor cares, who wins. What a difference from the 70s.

Time to scrap it?
Agree and really the season should be over after US open. I don’t watch the end of the year exhibition tournaments they are a joke and the top players don’t really care.
 

Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
Agree and really the season should be over after US open. I don’t watch the end of the year exhibition tournaments they are a joke and the top players don’t really care.
Why stop there? We should all just go fishing after the clay is over, no?
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
Why stop there? We should all just go fishing after the clay is over, no?
Not at all that’s your silly talk. I clearly said the US open which is when the season is really over. You notice that the holiday consolation tournament is hardly carried on TV?

That’s because nobody watches it’s nothing but a glorified all star game.
 

dh003i

Legend
Nothing to do with who wins it. I think it has been invalidated for years, even though Federer and Djoko were winning. It's become about who is the best-uninjured player, rather than the best player. Wrong time of year, wrong set-up, wrong surface.

it's not doing tennis any favours to have such a shambolic tournament.
Tennis is always about who is the best uninjured player. Being uninjured is a part of winning every tournament.

Federer and Nadal are both 30+ and Djokovic was injured, as was Murray. Federer did a great job managing his schedule and got to the SF at the WTF; that's pretty good. Nadal has often had trouble at the WTF. That doesn't in any way "invalidate" the tournament.

Why not just congratulate Goffin?
 

Federev

Hall of Fame
It has been clear for years that the World Tour Finals are no longer fit for purpose. The changing nature of the men's game -the longer matches, the more punishing rallies, the sheer repetitiveness of the strokes and the injuries they cause- means that it has become a tournament that is usually won by the last fit player standing, instead of the best player of the year.

Add to that the fact that it is played on a surface and environment that clearly favours certain players, and it really has become a joke in recent years.

No one really remembers, nor cares, who wins. What a difference from the 70s.

Time to scrap it?
Spencer Gore - you are a person full of all kinds of fresh and new and amazing ideas. Welcome to the Forum!!!
 

Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
Not at all that’s your silly talk. I clearly said the US open which is when the season is really over. You notice that the holiday consolation tournament is hardly carried on TV?

That’s because nobody watches it’s nothing but a glorified all star game.
Right you are. Once Nadal stops winning, it should obviously be wraps. Everyone stops watching anyway.
 

timnz

Legend
Agree and really the season should be over after US open. I don’t watch the end of the year exhibition tournaments they are a joke and the top players don’t really care.
They all care and have said many times how much they care
 
It has been clear for years that the World Tour Finals are no longer fit for purpose. The changing nature of the men's game -the longer matches, the more punishing rallies, the sheer repetitiveness of the strokes and the injuries they cause- means that it has become a tournament that is usually won by the last fit player standing, instead of the best player of the year.

Add to that the fact that it is played on a surface and environment that clearly favours certain players, and it really has become a joke in recent years.

No one really remembers, nor cares, who wins. What a difference from the 70s.

Time to scrap it?
Substitute WTF with Roland Garros and keep everything else in this post as it is.

Yeah, I thought so.

P.S. Note the bolded part.

:cool:
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
It has been clear for years that the World Tour Finals are no longer fit for purpose. The changing nature of the men's game -the longer matches, the more punishing rallies, the sheer repetitiveness of the strokes and the injuries they cause- means that it has become a tournament that is usually won by the last fit player standing, instead of the best player of the year.

Add to that the fact that it is played on a surface and environment that clearly favours certain players, and it really has become a joke in recent years.

No one really remembers, nor cares, who wins. What a difference from the 70s.

Time to scrap it?
Remind me, who won it in the 70s? :cool:
 
That has only been true of slams this season, which I agree has been a mess. But the story of the tour finals has been a tale of injuries for too long. If it isn't players pulling out before the tournament it's players pulling out during it, or pulling out before the final. When was the last time a player pulled out of a slam final with an injury?
Since you ask, Edberg withdrew halfway through the 1990 Australian Open final with a torn stomach muscle sustained towards the end of his semi-final match.
 
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