[Tips wanted!] Dealing with players who choose to play defensive, high percentage tennis

forzamr_b

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Seeking feedback on how I strategised and executed my game plan against this player who has the ability to hit aggressive shots (especially on the FH) but chooses to play ultra defensive, high percentage tennis (I don’t like using “pusher” as I accept and respect all legal ways of playing and winning in tennis). Also, welcome strategies that I didn’t think of that you think could be effective. Full game plan analysis and full match video below.

Background
I like to play aggressively but lack stamina to sustain long rallies. So, still trying to find the right balance of keeping points short without committing too many unforced errors. I played my opponent once before, he beat me 6-7, 4-0 (ran out of time). I played into his hands and committed too many errors, got killed by his excellent lobs, and ultimately ran out of gas. If we had time he probably would have taken the 2nd and 3rd set comfortably.

Pre-match game plan
  • Hit to bigger targets, try and increase my shot tolerance and reduce errors
  • If drawn into a rally, hit hard and heavy down the centre when trying to force errors from opponent rather than go for the lines.
  • Don’t rush the net too early as I’m wary of his lobs and my net game, particularly OHs, is the weakest aspect of my game. Try and play first volley or swing volley just behind the service line, stay just inside the service line for 2nd volley.
  • Attack his 2nd serve which is very weak
In-game adjustments
  • Was missing returns on 2nd serve by over hitting or mistiming my strokes. Tried to aim down the middle when I wanted to hit aggressive 2nd serve returns.
  • He seemed too comfortable in rallies and moving laterally, so I decided to try and introduce more variety and bring him to the net.
  • Attacked his BH during rallies
  • Wasn’t attacking my second serves when I took pace off so I went safer during high pressure points.
Post-match Analysis & Reflections
Won 6-3, 4-4 (ran out of time).
  • I still was sucked in to ending a point early and did make mistakes. But I think I did at least play less aggressively than usual.
  • I couldn’t quite play volleys at 3 quarter court. Somehow I kept being pushed back to play a groundstroke. Perhaps I wasn’t stepping in quickly enough or reading the flight of the ball fast enough. Or credit to him for floating those slices very high and deep.
  • His lobs still killed me, thankfully not closing the net as often helped with damage limitation.
  • When he did draw me to the net, intentionally or not, I found it difficult to recover back to the service line to counter his lobs. Inertia was just pushing me too far forwards and I couldn't change direction in time.
  • I didn’t execute my drop shots well today and was very fortunate he didn’t capitalise on my poor execution, which is why I didn’t abandon my plan to mix things up.
  • Still couldn’t close the game fast enough. Stamina was waning in the second set and points started to get longer, swinging the advantage to him.
  • SnV didn’t work today, he did well to send returns low and to the body.
Surprising insights from SwingVision stats
I was shocked to see his 2nd serve won was so dominant over mine! 52% vs 37%. In-game I knew I was wasting 2nd serve return opportunities with errors but I didn’t realise how bad it was. Would need to analyse closely but might be a combo of giving away free points with errors early on, then losing the 2nd serve return advantage by returning too safe later on.

 
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Check your shots depth. A lot of balls land inside the service box. You are not putting too much pressure on him.

Every now and then you make a deep shot, and he misses or gives you a weak ball.

Simple as that, seek more depth from neutral balls, no creativity needed, no random drop shots or sharp angles. Then you get a shorter ball while he’s pushed deep, and you can finish.

If you continue giving him short balls down the middle, he will continue dropshot-lobbing you.
 
Check your shots depth. A lot of balls land inside the service box. You are not putting too much pressure on him.

Every now and then you make a deep shot, and he misses or gives you a weak ball.

Simple as that, seek more depth from neutral balls, no creativity needed, no random drop shots or sharp angles. Then you get a shorter ball while he’s pushed deep, and you can finish.

If you continue giving him short balls down the middle, he will continue dropshot-lobbing you.
Thanks for the feedback. That was a blind spot for me as I didn't think I gave that many short balls down the middle. But you're spot on, looking at the SingVision heat map, I was hitting deeper down the sides than in the middle third. In fact, I didn't hit down the middle as often as I thought, even though that was part of my game plan.
 
this looks like a replica of the Kevin L v MFP match but at a slightly lower level maybe 4.0..


here Kevin H maps out the strategy.
 
Seeking feedback on how I strategised and executed my game plan against this player who has the ability to hit aggressive shots (especially on the FH) but chooses to play ultra defensive, high percentage tennis (I don’t like using “pusher” as I accept and respect all legal ways of playing and winning in tennis). Also, welcome strategies that I didn’t think of that you think could be effective. Full game plan analysis and full match video below.

Background
I like to play aggressively but lack stamina to sustain long rallies. So, still trying to find the right balance of keeping points short without committing too many unforced errors. I played my opponent once before, he beat me 6-7, 4-0 (ran out of time). I played into his hands and committed too many errors, got killed by his excellent lobs, and ultimately ran out of gas. If we had time he probably would have taken the 2nd and 3rd set comfortably.

Pre-match game plan
  • Hit to bigger targets, try and increase my shot tolerance and reduce errors
  • If drawn into a rally, hit hard and heavy down the centre when trying to force errors from opponent rather than go for the lines.
  • Don’t rush the net too early as I’m wary of his lobs and my net game, particularly OHs, is the weakest aspect of my game. Try and play first volley or swing volley just behind the service line, stay just inside the service line for 2nd volley.
  • Attack his 2nd serve which is very weak
In-game adjustments
  • Was missing returns on 2nd serve by over hitting or mistiming my strokes. Tried to aim down the middle when I wanted to hit aggressive 2nd serve returns.
  • He seemed too comfortable in rallies and moving laterally, so I decided to try and introduce more variety and bring him to the net.
  • Attacked his BH during rallies
  • Wasn’t attacking my second serves when I took pace off so I went safer during high pressure points.
Post-match Analysis & Reflections
Won 6-3, 4-4 (ran out of time).
  • I still was sucked in to ending a point early and did make mistakes. But I think I did at least play less aggressively than usual.
  • I couldn’t quite play volleys at 3 quarter court. Somehow I kept being pushed back to play a groundstroke. Perhaps I wasn’t stepping in quickly enough or reading the flight of the ball fast enough. Or credit to him for floating those slices very high and deep.
  • His lobs still killed me, thankfully not closing the net as often helped with damage limitation.
  • When he did draw me to the net, intentionally or not, I found it difficult to recover back to the service line to counter his lobs. Inertia was just pushing me too far forwards and I couldn't change direction in time.
  • I didn’t execute my drop shots well today and was very fortunate he didn’t capitalise on my poor execution, which is why I didn’t abandon my plan to mix things up.
  • Still couldn’t close the game fast enough. Stamina was waning in the second set and points started to get longer, swinging the advantage to him.
  • SnV didn’t work today, he did well to send returns low and to the body.
Surprising insights from SwingVision stats
I was shocked to see his 2nd serve won was so dominant over mine! 52% vs 37%. In-game I knew I was wasting 2nd serve return opportunities with errors but I didn’t realise how bad it was. Would need to analyse closely but might be a combo of giving away free points with errors early on, then losing the 2nd serve return advantage by returning too safe later on.

Your forehand looks good when you prepare early :)
The game where you broke him at 4-3 is an example on what you need to do. Deep middle, deep middle, he isn't going to punish you. Deep middle, he will ALWAYS bail out with a dropshot, approach and win the point. Including his second serve, Deep middle.

As usual, practice practice practice. Train the approach, the finishing volley, etc. Keep playing him, put it into practice and with time you will beat him easier and easier.

Ps: If you are up in the score, something like a 40-0, it could be a good idea when he's deep to hit a drop. He will get to it, and then you pass him. The idea isn't to hit a killer dropshot, but to try to pass him. This will get him to stand closer to the baseline the next points. And then you expose that with deep middle, deep middle.
 
For this opponent, looked like going to the backhand worked, should serve and volley to the backhand, didn't see too many threatening lobs from his backhand side, maybe approach to the backhand over and over and take your chances there?
 
Seeking feedback on how I strategised and executed my game plan against this player who has the ability to hit aggressive shots (especially on the FH) but chooses to play ultra defensive, high percentage tennis (I don’t like using “pusher” as I accept and respect all legal ways of playing and winning in tennis). Also, welcome strategies that I didn’t think of that you think could be effective. Full game plan analysis and full match video below.

Background
I like to play aggressively but lack stamina to sustain long rallies. So, still trying to find the right balance of keeping points short without committing too many unforced errors. I played my opponent once before, he beat me 6-7, 4-0 (ran out of time). I played into his hands and committed too many errors, got killed by his excellent lobs, and ultimately ran out of gas. If we had time he probably would have taken the 2nd and 3rd set comfortably.

Pre-match game plan
  • Hit to bigger targets, try and increase my shot tolerance and reduce errors
  • If drawn into a rally, hit hard and heavy down the centre when trying to force errors from opponent rather than go for the lines.
  • Don’t rush the net too early as I’m wary of his lobs and my net game, particularly OHs, is the weakest aspect of my game. Try and play first volley or swing volley just behind the service line, stay just inside the service line for 2nd volley.
  • Attack his 2nd serve which is very weak
In-game adjustments
  • Was missing returns on 2nd serve by over hitting or mistiming my strokes. Tried to aim down the middle when I wanted to hit aggressive 2nd serve returns.
  • He seemed too comfortable in rallies and moving laterally, so I decided to try and introduce more variety and bring him to the net.
  • Attacked his BH during rallies
  • Wasn’t attacking my second serves when I took pace off so I went safer during high pressure points.
Post-match Analysis & Reflections
Won 6-3, 4-4 (ran out of time).
  • I still was sucked in to ending a point early and did make mistakes. But I think I did at least play less aggressively than usual.
  • I couldn’t quite play volleys at 3 quarter court. Somehow I kept being pushed back to play a groundstroke. Perhaps I wasn’t stepping in quickly enough or reading the flight of the ball fast enough. Or credit to him for floating those slices very high and deep.
  • His lobs still killed me, thankfully not closing the net as often helped with damage limitation.
  • When he did draw me to the net, intentionally or not, I found it difficult to recover back to the service line to counter his lobs. Inertia was just pushing me too far forwards and I couldn't change direction in time.
  • I didn’t execute my drop shots well today and was very fortunate he didn’t capitalise on my poor execution, which is why I didn’t abandon my plan to mix things up.
  • Still couldn’t close the game fast enough. Stamina was waning in the second set and points started to get longer, swinging the advantage to him.
  • SnV didn’t work today, he did well to send returns low and to the body.
Surprising insights from SwingVision stats
I was shocked to see his 2nd serve won was so dominant over mine! 52% vs 37%. In-game I knew I was wasting 2nd serve return opportunities with errors but I didn’t realise how bad it was. Would need to analyse closely but might be a combo of giving away free points with errors early on, then losing the 2nd serve return advantage by returning too safe later on.

Your plan and adjustments ring a bell :)
 
Hitting pancake bunts that slowly drop into the middle of your court giving you 2-3 seconds to set up on every shot, yeah that's definitely a pusher.

You should not be caring about out-strategizing your opponent at this level of play. Tennis is 90%+ execution. Elite execution trumps any strategy, tennis is just not that deep.

Your focus as a player should be on learning how to hit better. All those free balls he's giving you are easy shots to tee off on. Do more feeds, hit on the wall, learn the correct technique that allows you to actually generate your own power. Pushers are a non-factor when you actually learn how to hit. Trying to strategize against pushers at your level is like trying to figure out how to beat someone with your fists when you could go buy a metal bat.
 
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