The one thing ı guess you dont want to understand that women doesnt have any obligation to compete with men in sports.Tips ordinary player that no one will remeber once he retires.Serena historical player in women game.
Tipsarevic: " Junior Boy will crush Serena Williams"
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The one thing ı guess you dont want to understand that women doesnt have any obligation to compete with men in sports.Tips ordinary player that no one will remeber once he retires.Serena historical player in women game.
tistrapukcipeht
Professional
Still, what he achieved is harder than what Serena achieved, to win on ATP is very different from WTA, WTA is almost as good as Boy's Jrs Slam.
I understand that women don't have to compete with men of course, but men should get paid double of what women get paid, just because of how much harder it is.
Honestly I don't care about Serena, her personality is ugly, bogus and anything related to her is to be scorned.
yemenmocha
Professional
Agree junior could do it
Since Serena will be cashing her $1.9M check and Vika will be cashing her $950,000 check I guess that a Boy's junior slam isn't as good. Tipsarevic is upset because he will never cash a check that size because Djokovic, Nadal, Federer and Murray win all the big tournaments. So instead of working harder and finding a way to get past these guys he decides to pick on the "weaker" sex. He and Simon would have more credibility if they actually won something greater than an ATP250 on a consistent basis.
In the tennis history books the names of Serena Williams and Maria Sharapova will be there. The name of Janko Tipsarevic will be forgotten and his "epic" match (or choke) against Ferrer won't even be an afterthought.
The thing is ı am not all that against what Simon brings on the table.If men tennis is more popular (which they are now) they deserve to win more money.However junior boy would beat Serena is a stupid stuff from Tipsarevic not even deserve a discussion.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Agreed. They come off as the typically bitter sexist whining about a field which is not responsible for either loser suffering from an utter lack of talent, no audience appeal or their apparent failure to work on beating the top players---but that's too much to ask, so they concentrate the ill feelings caused by their own feelings of insignificance on the WTA with go-nowhere theories or fantasties dripping with (among several things) career butthurt.
True--Tipsaravic is of no importance now--or at any other time in his career. He may as well be a weekend park player for he has about as much chance of being a legend--or just win several majors as said park player.
OK, I don't think the fact that Simon or Tispy can beat top WTA players means the men deserve more money.
The only arguments for different money is 1. do fans pay more $ to see men's or women's match, and 2. men do play 5 sets vs 3 sets at GS.
If fan interest is roughly equal and men only played 3 sets or women played 5 sets; then equal $ is fine by me.
But, let's get this straight Jack Sock would blow Serena off the court. A bad serving day for Jack would be like Serena's best serving day, and the serve is Serena's biggest weapon. The rest of the game would be an even bigger advantage to Sock. His forehand is harder, has more spin/movement and even more consistency due to the spin. His backhand is his weakess shot and would be equal to Serena's. He beats her 6-2, 6-2.
The only arguments for different money is 1. do fans pay more $ to see men's or women's match, and 2. men do play 5 sets vs 3 sets at GS.
If fan interest is roughly equal and men only played 3 sets or women played 5 sets; then equal $ is fine by me.
But, let's get this straight Jack Sock would blow Serena off the court. A bad serving day for Jack would be like Serena's best serving day, and the serve is Serena's biggest weapon. The rest of the game would be an even bigger advantage to Sock. His forehand is harder, has more spin/movement and even more consistency due to the spin. His backhand is his weakess shot and would be equal to Serena's. He beats her 6-2, 6-2.
mellowyellow
Legend
What you see in the matches is only part of the equation. Think about how much more training has to go on for the entire year to be able to play the way they do. Their is clearly more time and effort put in mentally and physically in the mens than the womens. You do not see men "taking time" to pursue other interest and half as-sing it through a modified schedule. This is where the men that say this come from, then on top of that its at the tourneys where that needed extra work to perform is not even rewarded, the 5 set slams. Is total BS and anyone that thinks equal pay is fair at slams considering these facts is drinking their bathwater.
Well said. Honestly, what sort of paychecks do you think Tipsarevic and Simon would be collecting if it wasn't for Federer, Nadal, Murray and Djokovic? Peanuts. The stands would be empty.
Serena, Venus, Sharapova, Clijsters, would fill far more seats than either of these 2 clowns. It is hilarious that they have the gall to complain about other people's undeserved earnings.
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
Huh? By that pathetic attempt at Logic, today's Big 4 would be making peanuts because after the 90's guys retired all the fans would have disappeared. Fail.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Never going to happen. You could lock Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray in a cell for the two weeks of the USO (or any major) and he would still fail.
That is the one constant in his meaningless career.
5point5
Hall of Fame
Just to put things into perspective for you guys. Drunk, smoking, and past his prime beating both the Williams sisters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karsten_Braasch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karsten_Braasch
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
Once again, attendance woes at Rogers cup for WTA:
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Tennis/WTA/2012/08/09/20087486.html
and last year, the men had to help sell tickets for the womens matsers:
http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/i...erena-williams-sharing-spotlight-andre-agassi
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Tennis/WTA/2012/08/09/20087486.html
and last year, the men had to help sell tickets for the womens matsers:
http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/i...erena-williams-sharing-spotlight-andre-agassi
Vcore89
Talk Tennis Guru
It is a known fact at the AO at that time. The sisters (we aren't supposed to call them by their names) thought themselves that they are at the men's level (not top level but...)...and so they got what they wanted from an unfit guy who overheard them (again, we aren't suppose to call them by his name; yes, he is German.
) at that time and thus the easy spanking.
...thereafter, the sisters never said anything about beating men or boys for that matter till this day.
) at that time and thus the easy spanking. ...thereafter, the sisters never said anything about beating men or boys for that matter till this day.
What kind of if is that? Who can hit 120 on the tee consistently? If that, she can be No.1 on the ATP too.
chatt_town
Hall of Fame
I think men should make more but not because it's more popular, but because they play more(3 out of 5 sets). If we gauge it based on which is more popular all it would take is for 10 or 15 more nice looking women that can actually play to get on tour and wear some of those short skirts and they would be more "popular". So it's going to be hard to gauge what's more popular. It needs to be based on who plays and how much they play. As far as the conversation about how Serena would do against some man is rediculous to even have.
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
The joke just writes itself - Tipsarevic has to wake sleeping fan during his match.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2xO1wxN2VQ&feature=player_embedded
Stands look quite full BTW...:shock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2xO1wxN2VQ&feature=player_embedded
Stands look quite full BTW...:shock:
I would love to see Serena vs some top junior male player, just to see where the level of both is - top WTA players and top boys. Fact is that in last decade the difference between men and women become probably even bigger than ever before, because of physicality of this sport.
Top juniors can probably serve at speed of Serena, maybe even harder, the question is placement - Serena has great placement and great toss-hard to read, so that makes her serve best in women´s history, but that´s it her power on strokes is unique on WTA - only few women can keep up with her, but even young male player - like 17-18th year old should have enough power to go toe-to-toe with her and than there is speed-stamina - that´s where i think any young male player should have addvantage, especially in speed-movement area, Serena is not best mover, she is big, any good athlete-would give back balls any WTA player couldn´t + thanks to movement, footwork and speed would be in better position, better timing, playing agressive and so on.
I would love to see such match just to see how it goes.
Top juniors can probably serve at speed of Serena, maybe even harder, the question is placement - Serena has great placement and great toss-hard to read, so that makes her serve best in women´s history, but that´s it her power on strokes is unique on WTA - only few women can keep up with her, but even young male player - like 17-18th year old should have enough power to go toe-to-toe with her and than there is speed-stamina - that´s where i think any young male player should have addvantage, especially in speed-movement area, Serena is not best mover, she is big, any good athlete-would give back balls any WTA player couldn´t + thanks to movement, footwork and speed would be in better position, better timing, playing agressive and so on.
I would love to see such match just to see how it goes.
"Men's tennis is currently in the top four in terms of quality and popularity, it’s at its peak, just like golf when Tiger Woods dominated," Tipsarevic said. "In women's tennis it’s very different. I do not underestimate the achievements of Victoria Azarenka and the others, but their best time is over. That was when the Williams sisters, Kim Clijsters, Justine Henin and Amelie Mauresmo were at the top. I wouldn't say a good junior could beat Serena 6-1, 6-2, but it is ridiculous that women get equal prize money at the Grand Slams."
Such a woman hater.
Such a woman hater.
Roy125
Professional
I'm pretty sure neither Raonic nor Isner is ranked number 1.
Gonzalito17
Banned
Serena hit with Sock before the US Open this year, I asked Sock for details but he played it humble and said it was even. Got the sense Sock was being diplomatic.
You are such a hateful person, it gives me a headache.
Why is this individual not banned. Everything he spouts is bile hatred.
Tipsarevic challenged Federer in one of the greatest macthes in history in the AO 2008. Somehow I believe that that is more siginificant than ANYTHING that you will ever achieve in your unimportant existence. :lol:
Except that he never claimed that HE deserves more money than the likes of Azarenka. This is why I absolutely LOATHE WTA sycophants. Just because their idols have vaginas, they feel to puke bile on a guy like Tipsarevic.
Women, in just about EVERY sport of the world, are worth less than their male counterparts. WTA players deserve equal prizemoney with the ATP about as much as WNBA players deserve as much as NBA players do.
When will you realize that he never claimed that he INDIVIDUALLY deserves more than Serena Williams. (yeah, nice strawman there partner)
Let's abolish joint events. Guess who will gather more fan interest and revenue.
Why do you think that this forum, not exclusively for either ATP or WTA, almost EXCLUSIVELY discusses the ATP?
Djokovic agreed with him.
Does that mean he is also an insignificant human being?
Will your family get murdered if you do something else but post like a vile, hateful human being?
You should also look up the meaning of the word "sexist".
1. Players who serve 130, not 120) on the tee consistently STILL get broken. (Raonic)
2. Serena has NEVER average 120 on her first serve. On a good day she will average 110 MPH. Oh and with balls smaller and lighter than the guys use. So if they were to use ATP ball, she would serve slightly better than David Ferrer. :lol:
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
"Men's tennis is currently in the top four in terms of quality and popularity, it’s at its peak, just like golf when Tiger Woods dominated," Tipsarevic said. "In women's tennis it’s very different. I do not underestimate the achievements of Victoria Azarenka and the others, but their best time is over. That was when the Williams sisters, Kim Clijsters, Justine Henin and Amelie Mauresmo were at the top. I wouldn't say a good junior could beat Serena 6-1, 6-2, but it is ridiculous that women get equal prize money at the Grand Slams."
Such a woman hater.
Janko just missed the point. It's cyclical. Once Federer and Nadal retire, does he really think men's tennis will retain the same heights? Of course not. Nor does he say that women should have been paid more back when they were thriving and the men's were struggling.
What makes you think he doesn't think so? Currently, that isn't the case.
Not to mention, even though it's cyclic, men will always be more popular than women in sports. I don't think that's what they complain about. The problem is that women don't determine the payscale differently. If their tournaments were held seperately and they were to attract similar revenue, I don't think the likes of Stakhovsky and Simon would give a f*ck. It is the fact that men and women earn the same by default that pisses off some people, since it brings pseudofeminist crap into BUSINESS. Do WNBA players earn the same money as NBA players do? Do male models earn the same money that female ones do? Do female MMA fighters earn even a fraction of what the guys do?
Completely ignoring this: why do women play a different format in the first place? I mean, I know it's posh to call these fellas sexist, but honestly, making women play the same format of tennis that guys play when they play the warm up tournaments (non-slams essentially) is far more insulting than anything that they could say. There is just no way that people getting paid the same prizemoney while only playing best of 3 makes sense.
The saddest part is, throughout history, feminists have complained about having to work twice as hard for the same money. In tennis, asking for the same rules for equal money is considered "sexist". A joke.
TennisNinja
Hall of Fame
dangalak.... I like you.
This entire thread is based on a poorly translated original article, and a bunch of forum members who don't pay attention to the corrected translation.
Janko did not say that a good junior would crush Serena 6-1, 6-0.
He specifically denied that something like that would happen. It was the translator who conveniently forgot to omit the negation that he used.
Janko did not say that a good junior would crush Serena 6-1, 6-0.
He specifically denied that something like that would happen. It was the translator who conveniently forgot to omit the negation that he used.
10is
Professional
Well said! As a female, I find this to be reverse discriminatory and hypocritically "sexist" to say the least.
Mick
Legend
Me, I would love to see Serena play John McEnroe.
Some time ago, McEnroe said he believed he could beat Serena.
So, a press guy asked Roddick about that and Roddick said he believed McEnroe would beat Serena too.
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