Tiriac defends controversial blue clay

Marius_Hancu

Talk Tennis Guru
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Madrid Masters boss defends controversial blue clay


Madrid Masters supremo Ion Tiriac on Friday promised a gradual improvement in traction on the new blue courts which have come under fire from players this week.

Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic have led the criticism of the slippery surface and Romanian billionaire Tiriac admits that player complaints are valid.

However, he said no one is complaining about the blue colour which promises a revolution in clarity from the perspective of worldwide television audiences.

"The court is slippery and I apologise," said the former Davis Cup player, manager and impresario who has spent four decades in the game. "We wanted to make sure that we had no player injuries, no ankle problems.

"As a result, the court experts rolled the base with too much pressure. When the blue sand was put on top it was unable to meld with the base, creating the slippage."

But Tiriac said that after striking a maintenance deal with the city of Madrid, the blue courts will remain in place year-round at the Caja Magica and will eventually be as comfortable to play on as traditional red clay.

The tournament advisor spoke at an impromptu meeting of three former presidents of the ATP, American Mark Miles (1990-2005), South African Etienne de Villiers (2005-2008 ) and Adam Helfant of the US (2009-2012), all guests of the tournament.

Tiriac and Spanish tournament director Manolo Santana gave assurances that despite player protests -- and Nadal's vow never to play here again until the blue is gone -- the situation on court is improving almost on a daily basis.

Tiriac said that the ATP must now deal with any players who have objections, deciding if they must compete or face sanctions in 2013.

"It's a pity," he said of Nadal's threat, echoed by Djokovic. "I would be very sad if they did not play.

"The players are right when they say it is too slippery, We are working daily to fix that and things are getting better. There are still three days to go this week."

Santana, a respected former grand slam winner, added that his own reputation is on the line in his home country.

"We have experts here from Spain, Roland Garros and Monte Carlo," he said. "Of course I'm upset with what some players are saying, but we absolutely did not want any injuries."

Tiriac added that, while players have a right to criticise, with a week's total purse of up to $11 million they should also take some responsibility and get on with the job.

"That kind of money does not come from Mother Teresa," said the larger than-life impresario. "The players have to give back as well."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/madrid-masters-boss-defends-controversial-blue-clay-140004554--ten.html
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cknobman

Legend
And he is 100% right too.

Shut up and get on with it you crybabies.

They are trying to improve the court conditions and more importantly no one is injured from it.

Your playing a sport for entertainment so entertain me!!!!!!!!!
 

TheF1Bob

Banned
This is a disguised hard court with some sand . It's faster than a hard court and it's highly dangerous FFS.

Where the hell are the ATP doing about this??? That's right... nothing. :roll:

Tiriac can go to hell if he think this is acceptable.
 

namelessone

Legend
I can't wait for the phosphorescent balls next year.

Maybe they will throw marbles on the court every now and then, just to add some unpredictability and entertainment value.
 

namelessone

Legend
This is a disguised hard court with some sand . It's faster than a hard court and it's highly dangerous FFS.

Where the hell are the ATP doing about this??? That's right... nothing. :roll:

Tiriac can go to hell if he think this is acceptable.

Money talks.

Look how MC started with a uneven space in the back of the court.

Is no one testing these things before the tourneys start?
 

BeHappy

Hall of Fame
Is it just me or do the courts play uncannily like green clay? (I think it's called har-tru or something?)
 

skip1969

G.O.A.T.
it's easy to say 'just go out and play on it while we work out the kinks' when you aren't the one out on the court. no player wants to risk his livelihood (more than normal) on a court that hasn't been perfected. why didn't they just spend more time on perfecting the courts before the tourney started? now it just looks like some half-baked plan based on a gimmicky concept. obviously, the players feel the footing is lousy. and footing is a key component of our game, even on clay.

to argue that the courts are fine because no one has fallen yet and gotten hurt is silly, too. if you drove home drunk last night and made it home safely, it doesn't negate the fact that there was more risk involved.
 

CDestroyer

Professional
Makes sense to me. They rolled the courts with too much pressure to avoid injuries. Sounds like they will do whatever it takes to get it fixed soon.

The players are acting like spoiled kids imo. Does anyone remember players threatening to not play tournaments because of "a little to slippery conditions"?
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Intelligent (figured out fast that the court is slippery), humble (admitted he lost because he could not adapt), caring (mentions risks caused to other players), and firm (continued his criticism till Tiriac was brought to his knees).
 

Starfury

Hall of Fame
I'm sure all you "defenders of tradition and players' health" complained just as loudly when hard courts and grass were slowed down to allow for longer rallies (and risking more injuries due to attrition) :grin:
 

djarvik

Rookie
I want to see a hard court covered with about half inch of water, not enough to stop the ball completely, but enough for a nice "splash" every time the ball drops. :)
 

cluckcluck

Hall of Fame
I want to see a hard court covered with about half inch of water, not enough to stop the ball completely, but enough for a nice "splash" every time the ball drops. :)

Then Roddick would whine about it, USO against Ferrer....

There is no controversy about this surface, it's only a 'controversy' because Nadal is not going to win the darn thing. Get over it.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
There is no controversy about this surface, it's only a 'controversy' because Nadal is not going to win the darn thing. Get over it.

This is the fourth edition of the tournament, and Nadal has won it once. It's not been this controversial before.
 

rufus_smith

Professional
Big deal, the courts are little more slippery. The matches have been ten times more entertaining than the slow surface tourneys. No one wants a 5 hour match where the only hope is an unforced error. And guess what? No one has been close to injury compared to slow clay MonteCarlo. One dimensional defensive players like Djoker and Rafa can go find their own sticky dung court to play on. They can play their eight hour human ball machine matches and let the all-court players play real tennis. They can disappear and the game will forget them soon. Good bye.
 

yellowoctopus

Professional
Big deal, the courts are little more slippery. The matches have been ten times more entertaining than the slow surface tourneys. No one wants a 5 hour match where the only hope is an unforced error. And guess what? No one has been close to injury compared to slow clay MonteCarlo. One dimensional defensive players like Djoker and Rafa can go find their own sticky dung court to play on. They can play their eight hour human ball machine matches and let the all-court players play real tennis. They can disappear and the game will forget them soon. Good bye.

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Warmaster

Hall of Fame
Blue clay needs to stay, this is the most entertaining 1000 event in years:)


Kudos to Tiriac for taking the risk, well done.
 

fedfan08

Professional
Where are all the legends of the game calling out these whiny players? You don't think Connors, Vilas, Borg etc. had to play on some less than perfect surfaces. And got paid a lot less $$ too. The TD and owner admitted the court is not right and they're trying to fix it. It's not like Tiriac and Santana are denying the problems.
 
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Deleted member 21996

Guest
But it is slippery and Bag lady said so , and djokovic... so it must be dangerous, even if no player injured himself...

can i haz my way? no?
 

Talker

Hall of Fame
Blue clay needs to stay, this is the most entertaining 1000 event in years:)


Kudos to Tiriac for taking the risk, well done.

I like it, the ball is easy to locate.

The surface hurts those who push off towards the ball and makes changing direction easily. These are areas both Nadal and Nole depend on heavily.

They have to make the best of it.
 

coloskier

Legend
You got to figure Tiriac is loving this. He is from the S&V school, and loves seeing the human backboards go down one by one. He makes more money than the entire ATP combined, so he could care less what Djoker and Nadal think. When you look at who is in the semis in both the mens and womens brackets, there are no defensive players left. I would love to see more tourneys like this one, where shotmaking wins and not waiting to see who misses first.
 

tistrapukcipeht

Professional
Blue clay is great, is different than regular clay, adds different perspectives and variables, it makes more competitive, if Nadal doesn't want to play, I'm not gonna miss him, He can't play on the blue clay anyway.
 
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abmk

Bionic Poster
Like the colour of the clay .... But it needs to be made safer for the players

But then quite of few of the HCs are blue too .... need some change(s) there ...
 

Shangri La

Hall of Fame
The slippery surface effectively makes the court faster.

Slippery surface --> players move not as well --> dont have enough time to respond to balls = a faster court.

This court is certainly not for the moonballer. It takes real footwork, adapt abilities, and an attacking game to win.

Vamos!
 
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Sentinel

Bionic Poster

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
I hate the look of the blue clay. That's from a spectators perspective which is why they used the blue clay. I think the blue clay looks terrible. I love the look of real red clay. Especially seeing it on TV. Also this is a run-up tournament to Roland Garros. The players are playing this with the expectation that the court will be the same or very similar to that at RG. Not playing on a completely different surface which is what that Blue Clay is.
 

Benhur

Hall of Fame
The slippery surface effectively makes the court faster.

Slippery surface --> players move not as well --> dont have enough time to respond to balls = a faster court.

This court is certainly not for the moonballer. It takes real footwork, adapt abilities, and an attacking game to win.

Vamos!

Yes, if one day you feel like practicing on a very fast court, but there aren't any in your area, you can just wear a 25-pound backpack to slow you down, and proceed to play. The court will instantly become super fast as you become super slow.

The above is based on a principle established by Francis Bacon in 1625. Bacon wrote:

"Mahomet cald the Hill to come to him. And when the Hill stood still, he was neuer a whit abashed, but said; If the Hill will not come to Mahomet, Mahomet wil go to the hill."
 

tistrapukcipeht

Professional
The grinders whine a lot, the ones who run after every ball complain a lot, only because it is to their best interest, as they can't grind nor adapt they complain, the fact is, I have enjoyed the different circumstances of what it brought to the table, despite being a Federer fan, I want to see new guys winning instead of only the same 3, if possible people outside top 5.

I'm tired of grind 4/5 hours grind fest, 40 rally points. I don't have that much time to spend in front of TV, longer matches don't necessarily bring higher quality.

To watch it on TV is a lot better, I hope they bring next year the balls with different colors.

Tiriac is a great business man, He knows what He is doing.
 

Shangri La

Hall of Fame
Yes, if one day you feel like practicing on a very fast court, but there aren't any in your area, you can just wear a 25-pound backpack to slow you down, and proceed to play. The court will instantly become super fast as you become super slow.

The above is based on a principle established by Francis Bacon in 1625. Bacon wrote:

"Mahomet cald the Hill to come to him. And when the Hill stood still, he was neuer a whit abashed, but said; If the Hill will not come to Mahomet, Mahomet wil go to the hill."

Great quote! Tiriac must have read this before he came up with the idea of blue clay. Faster court with normal player movement and normal speed court with slowed-down player movement both mean one thing: harder for the player to get to the ball. That's why big hitters like Berdych/Delpotro are going deep in the tournament and Federer could S&V against Raonic.
 

li0scc0

Hall of Fame
This is a disguised hard court with some sand . It's faster than a hard court and it's highly dangerous FFS.

Where the hell are the ATP doing about this??? That's right... nothing. :roll:

Tiriac can go to hell if he think this is acceptable.


Correct, they need to cut the prize money in half if the top 2 players are going to moan like this. You are correct, this is NOT acceptable.
Tiriac needs to understand that all courts have to be slow and provide easy and firm footing so only retriever types can win, and players who go for winners cannot hit through the court.
 

mental midget

Hall of Fame
how many players have been hurt this week relative to the tour average? i don't feel as though they're dropping like flies out there. the critique of meddling with tradition is a valid argument, regardless of which side of the argument you land on, but all this complaining about injuries which haven't materialized just sounds like whining.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
OK, so does this mean the Blue clay stays for next year ? and if so, Rafa won't play. so this is bad news for all tennis fans in general.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
I don't see how Nadal can skip Madrid, as much of his ranking is dependent on his wins in the clay events.

Why should that matter at this stage of Nadal's career? Nadal could always play another clay-court tournament like Munich or Belgrade, if he wanted to, or even Hamburg in the summer. There's plenty of other options to get ranking points.
 

FlashFlare11

Hall of Fame
Why should that matter at this stage of Nadal's career? Nadal could always play another clay-court tournament like Munich or Belgrade, if he wanted to, or even Hamburg in the summer. There's plenty of other options to get ranking points.

True, but Madrid is a prestigious event (regardless of the changes). It's still a Masters 1000 event. I think he should give it another chance.
 

Crisstti

Legend
how many players have been hurt this week relative to the tour average? i don't feel as though they're dropping like flies out there. the critique of meddling with tradition is a valid argument, regardless of which side of the argument you land on, but all this complaining about injuries which haven't materialized just sounds like whining.

There doesn't need to be injuries for the courts to be dangerous. Players have obviously noticed they're more slippery so one should think they'd move with more caution...

I don't see how Nadal can skip Madrid, as much of his ranking is dependent on his wins in the clay events.

Well, he won't be defending much points next year here.
 

Crisstti

Legend
True, but Madrid is a prestigious event (regardless of the changes). It's still a Masters 1000 event. I think he should give it another chance.

I wonder if several players skip it it could lose it's masters category (guess not, being who Tiriac is). I suspect Rafa would love for Barcelona, for example, to be the masters instead.
 

FlashFlare11

Hall of Fame
I wonder if several players skip it it could lose it's masters category (guess not, being who Tiriac is). I suspect Rafa would love for Barcelona, for example, to be the masters instead.

It's an interesting question. It seems like players skip Shanghai and Paris quite regularly (and top players don't necessarily go deep into those two events), yet they retain their Masters status.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
I wonder if several players skip it it could lose it's masters category (guess not, being who Tiriac is). I suspect Rafa would love for Barcelona, for example, to be the masters instead.

yes, of course , we should all go by precious Rafa's preferences :roll:
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Why should that matter at this stage of Nadal's career? Nadal could always play another clay-court tournament like Munich or Belgrade, if he wanted to, or even Hamburg in the summer. There's plenty of other options to get ranking points.

he'd need to win 2 of them to get 1000 points .... and then he'd whine about the schedule !
 

Chopin

Legend
I can't wait for the phosphorescent balls next year.

Maybe they will throw marbles on the court every now and then, just to add some unpredictability and entertainment value.

I propose allowing fans to fly paper airplanes down onto the court during the points. For instance, one could float down a love letter to Maria Kirilenko :oops:
 
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